Official Sony VPL-VW95ES Owners Thread - Page 106

Hello,
If the lamp is stable over time, the PQ is also more stable without making a calibration every 100 hours.(greyscale and gamma).In this way i have many hours to enjoy my projector and not making one calibration after another.
On my previous JVC the first lamp was done at 700 hours and the second at 500 hours.
I don't think in normal to change lamps so fast regardless the name of the projector.

That's true, I did get tired of re-calibrating the JVC, I just stopped doing it and it's close enough anyhow. I change the gamma usually depending on what I'm watching, so have multiple presets.

Hi together i´m from AT so excuse my bad engl..

Anyway..i had a talk with Sony AT yesterday, i wrote an inquiry on their page about successors for the VW95 and HW30 (Sony Austria) and got called back in the evening. The guy on the phone was a Tech directly from the Projector Devision and told me to wait for IFA Berlin this year (31.08-05.09) in Germany...there will be successors for both PJ´s

regards

I am a first time projector owner and have the VW95 ceiling mounted at 16' 8" throw from a 148" diagonal 2.35 screen (Carada 1.4 gain) intending to use the zoom method. I should be at 1.16 zoom for 1:78 AR and 1.54 zoom for 2:35 AR. However, I can't get any 2:35 movie dialed in properly without using the Wide Mode Zoom. I thought it would just be a matter of zoom and shift changes but that isn't enough. I just want to make sure I am not making some rookie mistake. I am also not sure if I should be using the screen area, v Center or Vertical Size?

Thanks for your advice.

Just for info :

In the test, they have exchanged the "results" ( on the right side at the page ) for the 95 / X70 mistakenly

dj

Hello,d.j.

Anyway it seems that overall the 95ES is a better value against x70 from JVC.And this is not only his opinion,also the others share the same opinion.
I am very curious what they have prepared for the next model from Sony.Someone pointed that it will be in this year.

Oh, I didnt mean that it had anything to do with the conclusion at all - just if anybody read it and maybe dont get the full understanding because of the translation ( I read it on the orginal language - we danish people can that ) - then they dont "discover" that in the text he says:

"Sony VW95ES has a small advantage in 3D, color reproduction is subjectively better, and there are fewer problems with motion blur. " and when you then look at the "results" on the right under ( minus ) for the 95 :
- Crosstak in 3D
Unusable without calibration
Motion Artifacts
( but that is the problems the X70 has - not the 95 )

BTW. I have seen both projectors and own a 95


dj
Edited by d.j. - 7/11/12 at 1:32am

It is always going to be a personal decision on weighing pro's and con's, I am not sure which one is a better value as I do not know the current pricing.
Each has positives and negatives. The Sony is the better all-around do-everything projector for sure.

I guess the Sony hw30 is cleaner at 3D than the vw95es, is that true?

If someone were to offer me an RS-55 or a Sony vw95es for free (hint hint), I'd take the vw95es for sure, but that's partly because I already own an RS-45 and I'm more curious than anything else.
I think pretty much when it comes to projectors, it's nice to have something different when you upgrade. So like if I were coming from an RS-35, I'd probably get the Sony instead of the JVC as well. Having never owned a JVC, I had to buy at least one. Sony vw95es was out of my budget, so I only had Sony hw30 vs. RS-45, I picked the RS-45 because I didn't think I'd care about 3D. Turns out I do care, but even then it's kind of borderline. I know I did get a slightly sharper image over choosing the hw30es and I got better blacks, but vs. a Sony vw95es not sure.

JVC and Sony should both have new pieces later in the year (closer to the holidays, though they will likely be announced sooner).

Hello,coderguy
I can't comment based on my experiences if 95ES is better then 30ES,but many owners on this forum had said that even in 3D 95ES is better then 30ES based on their experiences; better contrast,better black,more pop....
I can make an judgement between JVC and Sony because i own both of them and i can tell you that the Sony has a better picture with more pop.Of course this is based on my personal taste.

A semi-recent review (May 7th) that I hadn't seen before:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/projectors/projectors-reviews/sony-vpl-vw95es-3d-projector.html

It's quite obvious from his gamma measurements that he's measuring with the dynamic iris engaged. Disappointing.
Edited by Fat Dave - 7/15/12 at 9:33am

This is interesting, given some of the rumors to the contrary. I guess not surprising in the grand scheme - they would be perceived to be falling behind if their competitors all refreshed their models but Sony stood still. It will be interesting to see what they come up with in terms of improvement.

If the vw95 successor gets a nice increase of better black levels and contrast, then I would seriously consider it over the new JVCs, but only time will tell.

I'm probably being dense here, but having scanned the thread I see people talking about "max -1" for 3d viewing brightness. Do you mean setting it to 99?

At this point, is there any consensus for a general optimal 3d setup for the VW95es and/or the Monster 3d Vision kit?

Cheers

Jonathan

This isn't the standard "brightness" setting, it's a 3D brightness setting. There are only four or five different settings which (presumably) affect the blackout time. Max shows notable crosstalk. Max -1 is much better.

Sharpness at anything but 0 produces crosstalk as well.;

Mike, see in the 1000ES tread


dj

Where is this setting, precisely?

Much appreciated

Jonathan

In the "functions" menu and then under " 3D settings"



dj

Cheers!

Just thought people might be interested to know the results of a shootout between my VW95 and an X70 yesterday. My room is completely light controlled and totally black. Although I didn't have time to do a calibration on the projectors I did take greyscale, gamma and colour gamut readings as well as set brightness and contrast. The readings showed that both projectors had around 3de on the greyscale but less than that (around 1de) on the colour side. The VW95 had an average gamma of 2.3, the X70 of 2.2. So the projectors were pretty similar overall. Testing was done by watching a variety of different scenes from The Dark Knight for 2d and Hugo and Despicable Me for 3d. Blu-ray output was via the Oppo 93. As well as watching each projector in turn we were able to cover the lens of one projector and cover the other almost instantaneously to observe more easily the difference in the picture. The X70 had 115 hours on it's bulb, the VW95 had 256. The iris on the X70 was fully open and achieved 13 ftl, the VW95 iris was also set to manual and was fully open but achieved 15ftl. To cut a long story short, the differences between the two projectors in 2d mode were very minimal. There was practically no difference in the black level even in the dark scenes in TDK. This surprised me greatly. However, there was slightly more native contrast visible in the X70 picture on very dark scenes but the advantage was so slight that you really had to strain your eyes to see it. On other scenes the projectors appeared pretty much inseparable. My VW95 is very sharp and has great convergence. The X70's e-shift however did give it a slight advantage here (viewing a 110" 1.0 gain screen from about 10ft). I liked the effect. Motion on the VW95 was great and it was decent enough on the X70 not to be an issue. So the X70's 2d picture was ever so slightly better in my eyes - although I again stress we are talking extremely small margins here. When it came to 3d the VW95 won hands down. The VW95 wasn't perfect but it was strides ahead of the X70 which was devilled with crosstalk. The X70 didn't look too bad with those scenes from Hugo that we watched but Despicable me was crosstalk city. The VW95 showed no such issues when we played back those same scenes. Over in the UK the X70 retails for £7k and the VW95 for £5k. Everything else being equal I might have considered paying a small extra amount over the VW95's £5k in order to enjoy the fractionally better 2d picture (though there isn't £2k's worth of difference there). But everything isn't equal because the X70's 3d was markedly inferior to the VW95's. Ok, there's not a huge amount of 3d material out there and I'm not a massive 3d fan; but I do enjoy a 3d movie now and again and when I do watch one I want to be able to watch it with as good a picture as is possible. This being so, in my eyes the VW95 is the better overall projector - and it's at a cheaper price. As much as I like the X70's 2d picture I have to say that JVC will really have to sort the 3d out in their new models for me to consider buying one later this year - and I say that as only an occasional 3d watcher.

Interesting review.

I think I gonna pull the trigger on a VW95. I saw the news about the HW50 coming out this fall, but I doubt that it will be better than the 95.

One thing worries me, and I would like to hear your comments.
I had a HW30 for a few days to test it out, and I liked the image and pop. Now I have a great deal on a vw95 but I concerned about light output.

My walls/ceiling are white, how big will the difference be vs the HW30(Whatching at night)? is there a big gap in lumens?

EDIT: Pulled the trigger.
Wainting for it to come home. Got at good deal for a demo unit with 100h.
Edited by Johnrecon - 7/24/12 at 6:43am

I am having some questions about gamma and color output. I live in a very remote village, and could not get my projector calibrated. What my biggest problem is, that there are so many different gamma corrections. Out of the box the cinema mode is set on Gamma 8.

But that is not the only problem I am having for a BASIC setting. The Blu ray player output different HDMI color-space settings. When My oppo 93, is on Auto, I guess it ouptuts RGB (but not sure!) In that setting, I find "no gamma correction" the only option, because contrast is so strong. I have also more video noise.

I tried the Y'CbCr 4.2.2 setting. This gives a total different result. Image is much softer, movie - like. It is like a different projector. Here Gamma 7 does well to give the image some "punch" it lacks in "no gamma correction" mode. But at first sight I think Gamma 4 looks the most natural, but difficult to tell. The video noise is less apparent in this output wit.h the Oppo

But I am no expert. I am going to try to tweak it better on eyesight with video essentials (there is a sony disc), but not know how to use it. Mos timportant for me to begin with is to have some advice, how to put the color space of my hdmi output and on which Gamma to begin my "light " calibration!

Thank you for your suggestions. I will ad that my environment is a living-room, but he screen is far from the wall, and my screen is a Beamax with 1.5 gain.
Edited by indieke2 - 7/22/12 at 3:08am

Recived my VW95 today! and proceeded to watch some different scenes to evaluate the PJ
My previous PJ was a HW10 that I've had for the last 3 years. Then I got a HW30 that I borrowed for a couple of weeks.
This comparison is mainly against the HW30

+Amazingly sharp. running convergence tests (Squares and dots) I could not see any misalignment on the panels. Mutch better than the HW30 I had.
+Running the HTPC desktop I noticed that the sharpness was even through the hole screen area, to my eyes anyway.
+Contrast i noticeably better and so is shadow detail.
+Havent testet black level as its not dark outside yet, some light does come through the curtains. I did a shootout (95-30) at a local demo room a few day ago, and black level was also noticeable better.
+Better contrast makes 3D pop out a little more

-Had to mount the PJ lower than before, the lens shift didn't allow me to have the pic as low as I could with the HW30/10.
I thought that the lens shift specs were all the same on Sony PJ, No biggie though, this projectors as really quiet.
-Slight flicker on low lamp mode, which is only noticeable having a desktop and surfing the web, cant really see it watching a movie. Ive read that some other experience this as well, gonna run the lamp in high to see if it goes away.

The lamp has 116h.

I also noticed the low lamp mode flicker at ~20hrs and changed it to high lamp mode ever since. My VW95ES has about 50hrs now. I changed it back to low lamp mode last night and it still has that flicker in low lamp mode. When will that flicker eventually go away? I thought I saw a post here that someone mentioned that his flicker was gone at about 50hrs.

Hello,
Don't worry,the flicker will disappear,i had the same symptoms and now everything is fine.From time to time you can put the lamp in High mode or even better watch 3D.

I have seen the flicker on multiple VW95 units when the bulb was very early on (within first 100 or so hours). Eventually it went away. However as of several months ago I switched exclusively to high lamp which is not subject to it (although I switched for other reasons). Short answer is that it will likely go away rather sooner than later. Running in high lamp for several hours (maybe 10 or 20 - as you use it over time, not as in turn it on and leave it on) and then switching back may get rid of it.

Anyone with a VW95 try it with a Darbee? I have a Darbee on order - just curious how well you like it with the 95 and whether you've had any compatibility issues. Thanks.

Hello,

Regarding DARBLE DARBEE....
I was thinking for the same thing.I am very curious how the two will work together and the difference between them.
I am contemplating to buy one.
Edited by maximus74 - 7/26/12 at 11:34pm

It will make sports "pop" even more with next level clarity. Blu ray 2D will benefit with razor like sharpness. Blu ray 3D will add depth with the increased sharpness across the screen. For the cost of the Darblet the benefits are worth triple!

Thanks Joerod