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post #3391 of 3559
Madmyers #3365,

I finally was able to run your patterns.
From any distance beyond an arms length from the screen on my 106 inch diagonal high power, convergence was visibly perfect.
Close up, less than 18 inches distance, I have some fringing that possibly relates to CA. What I do notice is that the blue dots and plusses look less focused than R or G. As if those pixels are larger and less defined than the other two, which results in the fringing.
But as I said, from any reasonable distance, it's invisible. Yellow pluses look yellow, aqua pluses look acqua, RGB looks white, and I have to get to within 18 inches to see the slight non-perfect convergence or fringing. Using it as a computer display, text looks crisp from top to bottom for me at any reasonable viewing distance.
post #3392 of 3559
A year on from purchase and I've loved every minute with my 95ES. I have to say that the addition of a Lumagen Radiance made a huge difference to the picture - particularly calibration with the 3d LUT. The last time I calibrated - at around 700 hours - I got 11FTL at peak white (projecting onto a 110" 1.0 gain screen from 4 metres) without the iris, so at about 820 hours now (all in Eco mode, apart from when I've watched 3d movies) I'm feeling the need to go to High lamp. This will obviously necessitate another calibration. Personally, I can't wait to see what Sony have got in store for later this year as the 95ES' replacement. If they can do for the 95ES what they've done for the HW30 in replacing it with the much improved HW50 and give us better blacks, higher brightness and thus better native contrast and 3d, plus Reality Creation then I'll be very happy - 4k or not. Of course if Sony do bring out a relatively cheap 4k projector (compared to the 1000 model) then that will put the cat among the pigeons, although I doubt that, even with access to trade pricing, I'd be able to afford a £10k projector. In any case, I really do hope that the reason why Sony haven't replaced the 95ES already is because they've been cooking up something really, really special for us later this year.

BTW, I calibrated an X55 the other day (which is directly competing against the 95ES in terms of pricing) and have to say I was very impressed by it. The black levels and native contrast were very impressive as was the 3d which was fluid and with much less crosstalk than previous generations of JVC machines. JVC have definitely made great strides in 3d this year. However, the fan noise in High lamp (thus also 3d) was unacceptable to me - especially compared to my 95ES which is much quieter. I was also concerned by the lamp brightness which was only 13 FTL on a new bulb onto a 90" screen from 5 metres with the aperture completely open. Frankly, I'd have expected more. There were also issues with calibration. The X55's CMS controls interacted way too much. It also had an issue with green hue and saturation errors that also impacted on cyan. For these reasons, as fine a projector as it otherwise is, the X55 isn't for me. I'll wait for Sony's new baby!
Edited by Canary_Jules - 3/8/13 at 4:07am
post #3393 of 3559
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Originally Posted by A.West View Post

Madmyers #3365,

I finally was able to run your patterns.
From any distance beyond an arms length from the screen on my 106 inch diagonal high power, convergence was visibly perfect.
Close up, less than 18 inches distance, I have some fringing that possibly relates to CA. What I do notice is that the blue dots and plusses look less focused than R or G. As if those pixels are larger and less defined than the other two, which results in the fringing.
But as I said, from any reasonable distance, it's invisible. Yellow pluses look yellow, aqua pluses look acqua, RGB looks white, and I have to get to within 18 inches to see the slight non-perfect convergence or fringing. Using it as a computer display, text looks crisp from top to bottom for me at any reasonable viewing distance.

Thanks for the update! I'm a little disappointed, however, in that I was hopeful the lens on the 95 was significantly better than the HW30/HW50. While I'm assuming it's better, it's certainly nothing amazing.

I acknowledge that these lens issues don't seem to make any significant issue in perceived picture quality... I think my HW30 looks great, you think your 95 looks great. But it's only common sense that it DOES effect the picture.

I have an old Sanyo 60HT projector... that had a great lens! Sharp side to side and no CA... why can we not have that in more modern PJs? frown.gif
Edited by MadMyers - 3/8/13 at 3:06pm
post #3394 of 3559
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Originally Posted by stephenbr View Post

My projector has been repaired and remounted and is throwing a great picture!
I'm glad everything worked out. Hopefully I will have a 95 by mid summer. I really enjoyed the VW90ES 2D and Blurays...excellent for sports also
post #3395 of 3559
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Originally Posted by bathes2051 View Post

I've been experimenting with the VW95ES and the Spears&Munsils BD on an Oppo BDP-95 player, and here's what I've found:
  • YCbCr 4:2:2 fails all chroma tests, as well as the clipping test
  • RGB video level passes the chroma tests, but fails the clipping test: the smallest square cannot be seen, regardless of brightness/contrast settings (I didn't try calibrating for RGB PC levels, and didn't test this mode)
  • YCbCr 4:4:4 passes these tests, and therefore seems to be the best color space for this projector
  • I couldn't see any difference between the Deep Color modes on this disc, I need to try Ratatouille.
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post


Interesting findings. I feed my VW95 from my Radiance. According to Lumagen, they recommend outputting 4:2:2 because internally that is what the Lumagen processes things as. I do not recall if 4:4:4 out of the Radiance is even an option. If so, I don't see how it makes a difference whether the Radiance converts to 4:4:4 or the VW95 converts it.


Its even possible I suppose that the VW95 internally down converts from 4:4:4 to something else. In which case I would be up converting from 4:2:2 to 4:4:4 for no reason out of the Radiance, just to have the VW95 then down convert it from 4:4:4 to something else.


The bigger question on my mind is how any of this matters with real world material. For instance you mention that the VW95 fails those test patterns when fed 4:2:2. What type of real world materials / situation do those test patterns simulate? What would be the expected negative impact on a real picture? I've had the VW95 for 6 months now feeding it 4:2:2 with all types of sources (PS3, XBOX, Comcast, Blu-ray) and never have noticed any issues with the color space or otherwise...?


Can someone explain why this is relevant? Maybe it only will be with special sources which I am not using yet.

This post was a while ago, but I figure it would be valuable to share my experiences with this 444/422 question on the Sony. What is comes down to is that I believe the Sony is displaying exactly -and only- the data that is fed to it. So, essentially, it would make sense that the Sony would fail the test pattern choma tests when using 422 output from the player/processor. Since 422 is missing chroma data, the Sony just projects the pixels "as-is" with the missing/reduced chroma resolution and does not try to "artifically restore" the original chroma data. Anyways, I can definitely see more detail and less motion-blur using 444 output to the Sony (from the Radiance) with movies in general - not using any test patterns. I've been doing a technical thread on this over in Lumagen Support you can read, if you wish.

http://www.convergent-av.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=2621&start=0&rid=744&S=472e7406e0c3822cc2565be04c7c6dd9

I've come to the opinion that the Sony can be viewed as a true "reference" projector. These are only assumptions, but...

I have read in some past posts that some people do not like the Sony as much because it gives a "video-like" effect to movies sometimes. Much like a 60fps video effect even though the movie is still displayed in 24fps. I have come to the conclusion that the Sony is displaying the image with such accuracy to the source that it may look "too real" to some people. I have seen this effect sometimes and I'm okay with it (because I know what it really represents -- pixel accuracy). This is with Motion Enhance turned off, so there is no artifical motion/realness added to the source signal.

I would assume that the JVC projectors "soften" this affect, and it may be more pleasing to some people. It could also be that the JVC and/or other projectors are doing some processing on the 422 signal to try to "restore" the original chroma data lost in the 422 compression. I'd love to do a comparison with a nice JVC to see how it behaves differently in this sense and also with comparing 422/444. Anybody interested in Central California / Bay Area?
Edited by Aaron Inami - 3/19/13 at 12:44pm
post #3396 of 3559
Hey guys,
I recently bought Nvidia GTX 670 Card and pc is connected to the projector. I was trying to find out how many FPS(frames per second) VPL95ES supports but couldn't find. Spec was a little misleading. Does anyone know why many FPS does VPL95ES produce?
Thanks.
post #3397 of 3559
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Originally Posted by SherazNJ View Post

Hey guys,
I recently bought Nvidia GTX 670 Card and pc is connected to the projector. I was trying to find out how many FPS(frames per second) VPL95ES supports but couldn't find. Spec was a little misleading. Does anyone know why many FPS does VPL95ES produce?
Thanks.

How are you gonna feed it hdmi or vga?
Edited by neonsky - 3/28/13 at 10:56pm
post #3398 of 3559
HDMI 1.4a.
post #3399 of 3559
I am pretty sure your limited to 60 frames a second output looking at its specs. Gotta remember its a projector not a gaming monitor.
post #3400 of 3559
Quote:
I am pretty sure your limited to 60 frames a second output looking at its specs. Gotta remember its a projector not a gaming monitor

I'll be happy if its 60 FPS. smile.gif
post #3401 of 3559
Hello.im new in the forum and i sorry for my einglish.
I bought a sony vw95 2 weeks ago and i have a problem.i see arround letters a blue halo.i have touch the panel alignment but the blue halo always is here.i have read that its posible ac priblem..but ....what mean ac problem?.i dont understand what is ac.my lens shift is maximun vertically... can be the problem?
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6153/20130320183009.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5710/20130320182914.jpg

Thanks
I have sent it to sony repair center.they must changed me the optical group?
Edited by vargaso - 4/1/13 at 2:56am
post #3402 of 3559
When using a media player/ blue ray player, can one fool 95 at thinking as a computer input at HDM1/HDM2? Reason, want to adjust the 'pitch' of the picture. Thanks in advance.

Alex:)
post #3403 of 3559
Well.i have phoned to sony and they send me a sustitution proyector. (Hw30) because they told me that the 30 april the will send a new sealed sony vw95 unit.its fabulous the sony service.im very happy .thanks:)
post #3404 of 3559
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Originally Posted by vargaso View Post

Hello.im new in the forum and i sorry for my einglish.
I bought a sony vw95 2 weeks ago and i have a problem.i see arround letters a blue halo.i have touch the panel alignment but the blue halo always is here.i have read that its posible ac priblem..but ....what mean ac problem?.i dont understand what is ac.my lens shift is maximun vertically... can be the problem?
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6153/20130320183009.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5710/20130320182914.jpg

Thanks
I have sent it to sony repair center.they must changed me the optical group?

As far as I know those halos are dependent on your focus settings and convergence and to an extent normal for a three panel projector. When I achieve perfect focus, I also have very slight blue halo when I walk up the screen. I think it means that the red and green panel focus tighter than the blue one. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.

My old JVC RS2 also had this. Convergence is never perfect with a three panel PJ. Our eyes are also the least sensitive to blue anyway. Convergence on my VW95 is better than my old RS2 and the RS40 I had for testing though, it is not perfect but close. smile.gif
post #3405 of 3559
Thank for your reply.the panels are perfect the colors all hiden behind the white line.but the blue halo is here.sony have saw the terrible ac and they has told me that they cant repaired it.they will send me another new unit this month.the gocusing is perfect too but i dont get a perfect focus.
post #3406 of 3559
I think you mean CA right? Chromatic aberration? wink.gif
post #3407 of 3559
Exactly.
post #3408 of 3559
Does the VW95 now selling contain the latest version of firmware?
post #3409 of 3559
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Does the VW95 now selling contain the latest version of firmware?

I would expect them to have the newest software.
post #3410 of 3559
Interesting how few comments this forum is getting for the VW95ES right now. I wonder how sales for this unit are going. Many consider it the best all-around higher-end projector. I guess owners like me are just using it rather than asking questions or solving problems with it. I guess a replacement will come later this year, probably with Reality Creation, and maybe higher brightness, slightly less 3D ghosting. I don't see the point in adding 4K when there's no content. Without a new technology, it's doubtful there will be a meaningful increase in contrast.
post #3411 of 3559
I just bought a calibrated VPL-VW95ES and have a question that I'm sure has been answered before. I just set it up and love what I see so far, but I have a question regarding focus. Maybe it's because my last JVC was extremely sharp across the entire screen, but I can't seem to dial the Sony's focus down to the pixel structure. There seems to be some smearing (on the green focus pixel grid) no matter how much I play with it. Should panel alignment help with this? Is there a way to reset the panels and focus back to zero? I've noticed that when you select the focus button, you have the ability to go left, right, up, and down. I think I've messed with it so much that I have it all out of wack. I have panel alignment selected to "on", but I have no idea what that means.

At the end of the day, it's not a deal breaker by any means, I was just wondering if there is a way to improve the focus that I'm not aware of right now.

Thanks again for all your help.
post #3412 of 3559
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Originally Posted by jbn008 View Post

I just bought a calibrated VPL-VW95ES and have a question that I'm sure has been answered before. I just set it up and love what I see so far, but I have a question regarding focus. Maybe it's because my last JVC was extremely sharp across the entire screen, but I can't seem to dial the Sony's focus down to the pixel structure. There seems to be some smearing (on the green focus pixel grid) no matter how much I play with it. Should panel alignment help with this? Is there a way to reset the panels and focus back to zero? I've noticed that when you select the focus button, you have the ability to go left, right, up, and down. I think I've messed with it so much that I have it all out of wack. I have panel alignment selected to "on", but I have no idea what that means.

At the end of the day, it's not a deal breaker by any means, I was just wondering if there is a way to improve the focus that I'm not aware of right now.

Thanks again for all your help.



IMO

Dont use the intern testpattern, turn it off ( in the menu ) and use a pattern from etc. AVSHD or DVE ( I use the one pixel on / off pattern, there can you adjust it to the sharpest possible picture - but it take patience and time to get it right biggrin.gif )


NB. the panel alignment selected to "on, means that you/someone have adjusted the convergence and set it on ( the two panels (red and blue) moved to the green, purely electronic, so they hopefully hit the exact same place and thus makes a pure white - I would check on whether it is adjusted accurately and generally adjustsin the "general shift" and not in "zones" and best with +10 or -10 steps (= a whole pixel shift, which does not give color "fun" in high resolution fields)


dj
Edited by d.j. - 4/25/13 at 3:30am
post #3413 of 3559
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

IMO

Dont use the intern testpattern, turn it off ( in the menu ) and use a pattern from etc. AVSHD or DVE ( I use the one pixel on / off pattern, there can you adjust it to the sharpest possible picture - but it take patience and time to get it right biggrin.gif )


NB. the panel alignment selected to "on, means that you/someone have adjusted the convergence and set it on ( the two panels (red and blue) moved to the green, purely electronic, so they hopefully hit the exact same place and thus makes a pure white - I would check on whether it is adjusted accurately and generally adjustsin the "general shift" and not in "zones" and best with +10 or -10 steps (= a whole pixel shift, which does not give color "fun" in high resolution fields)


dj

Thanks for the help d.j.

That one pixel on / off pattern you are referring to is on the DVE disc? I'll have to check that out for sure.
post #3414 of 3559
If you want something quick, but not as many choices as others, try the 1080p pattern in my sig below.
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

If you want something quick, but not as many choices as others, try the 1080p pattern in my sig below.

I'll give it a shot, thanks.

My last 5 projectors have been JVC, so I feel like I'm starting over to some degree. The colors are wonderful (the unit has been professional ISF calibrated (iris set to manual for the calibration)) and it has that film look you see in the theaters. The blacks are close enough to the JVCs that it's not an issue, but the sharpness I'm struggling with a little. Hence the previous questions. Maybe it's because the last couple of JVCs I've owned have been razor sharp and it's just something I'll have to get used to. I have noticed one thing that seems a little strange. I use a 2012 Mac Mini as my HTPC (Plex) and it seems that the image stutters every now and then. I don't notice on my Directv or Xbox 360, just the Mac Mini. Under normal situations I would assume it was the Mac without question, but I never, never had this issue with any of my JVCs. Has anyone else experienced anything like this with a HTPC? It really is a mystery. I though maybe there was a long shot that it could be some type of setting. I don't use any type of motion enhancer and the video I noticed the issues on were 1080p/ 60 and 1080p/ 24. Anyway, I appreciate the help.
post #3416 of 3559
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Originally Posted by jbn008 View Post

I'll give it a shot, thanks.

My last 5 projectors have been JVC, so I feel like I'm starting over to some degree. The colors are wonderful (the unit has been professional ISF calibrated (iris set to manual for the calibration)) and it has that film look you see in the theaters. The blacks are close enough to the JVCs that it's not an issue, but the sharpness I'm struggling with a little. Hence the previous questions. Maybe it's because the last couple of JVCs I've owned have been razor sharp and it's just something I'll have to get used to. I have noticed one thing that seems a little strange. I use a 2012 Mac Mini as my HTPC (Plex) and it seems that the image stutters every now and then. I don't notice on my Directv or Xbox 360, just the Mac Mini. Under normal situations I would assume it was the Mac without question, but I never, never had this issue with any of my JVCs. Has anyone else experienced anything like this with a HTPC? It really is a mystery. I though maybe there was a long shot that it could be some type of setting. I don't use any type of motion enhancer and the video I noticed the issues on were 1080p/ 60 and 1080p/ 24. Anyway, I appreciate the help.

I've been waiting for the next Sony PJ to follow the W95ES. In the mean time, I've been watching the forums with interest to see what people do to address the "sharpness" issue inherent in the LCOS and LCD technologies. Sony's "Reality Creation" software seems to be a step down this path and I see that a number of people here use the Darbee in the chain for improved the perceived sharpness...

As a stop gap measure, we stayed with DLP and got the Sharp Z30000. It has powered lens controls and great placement flexibility like the W95ES, but with inherent DLP native image sharpness. You can purchase it for about $1800 new with a 3 year warranty. There is no free lunch. The colors are not "perfect" like the Sony, but the image is excellent and it's well reviewed.
My $.02.
post #3417 of 3559
You can get RC-like sharpening with a Sony bdp-s790 Bluray Player and add it to any projector, and add a Darbee as well. That said...

I have no sharpness issue on a JVC RS-45, the text is cleaner than my Benq w7000 (which is sharper than the Sharp z30000). I own both and have side-by-sided them for hours, and the Benq is a perfect sample (no issue there). The key to sharpness on an LCOS is to get a projector where the blue might be off a little, but the RED is straight on target, and in that case the sharpness can be amazing.

Part of the sharpness you see on a DLP is from the difference in pixel fill and the way you see the image, rather than just purely the sharpness of the pixels. For instance, my JVC is actually cleaner and sharper than ALL DLP's I've owned on text, but in video the DLP can still appear slightly sharper sometimes even when in sharpness patterns, text, and various tests the JVC beats it.

I would submit it goes something like this:

Samsung a900b > Planar / Runco / Marantz > Well Converged JVC Text > Benq w6k/w7k Text > Benq w1070 > Mits hc4000 Text > Sony vw95 > Well Converged Epson Text > Panny 7k/8k =? Sony hw30 Text

In videos, that list changes a bit and the JVC drops down a few notches, but part of that is due to effect of DLP rather than pure inherent sharpness...
Edited by coderguy - 4/26/13 at 3:23pm
post #3418 of 3559
I love DLP, but having been spoiled with the blacks from JVC and now Sony, I could never do back to that technology unless they started making some major strides in that area. The last 2 DLPs I saw were the Infocus sp8602 and Planar 8150, and while 2nd to none on bright scenes, were way too washed out in the darker scenes for my tastes. That's just me though, to each their own. I never considered myself a "black level" snob, but I guess I've come to appreciate what JVC and Sony bring to the table. The JVC is very sharp by the way. I've owned a Benq W20000, W6000, and Optoma HD8600 and thought the JVC was every bit as sharp (at least to my 20/20 vision. Thanks for the feedback.
post #3419 of 3559
The Benq w7000 is a tiny bit sharper than the JVC at the pixel level, but the problem is the Benq's sharpening control sux on text, so the JVC still wins if counting sharpening controls on text. The Benq appears sharper in videos than the JVC by a bit, but the Benq also over-sharpens things a bit and it's easy to get ringng. The JVC has the perfect balance of film-like and sharpness IMO, but it isn't without its faults either, and the Sony vw95es is a very good projector as well, but just with different attributes and strengths.

I also like DLP, but a well-converged LCOS is my preference until DLP's can do LCOS black (which is probably never)...
post #3420 of 3559
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

You can get RC-like sharpening with a Sony bdp-s790 Bluray Player and add it to any projector, and add a Darbee as well. That said...

I have no sharpness issue on a JVC RS-45, the text is cleaner than my Benq w7000 (which is sharper than the Sharp z30000). I own both and have side-by-sided them for hours, and the Benq is a perfect sample (no issue there). The key to sharpness on an LCOS is to get a projector where the blue might be off a little, but the RED is straight on target, and in that case the sharpness can be amazing.

Part of the sharpness you see on a DLP is from the difference in pixel fill and the way you see the image, rather than just purely the sharpness of the pixels. For instance, my JVC is actually cleaner and sharper than ALL DLP's I've owned on text, but in video the DLP can still appear slightly sharper sometimes even when in sharpness patterns, text, and various tests the JVC beats it.

I would submit it goes something like this:

Samsung a900b > Planar / Runco / Marantz > Well Converged JVC Text > Benq w6k/w7k Text > Benq w1070 > Mits hc4000 Text > Sony vw95 > Well Converged Epson Text > Panny 7k/8k =? Sony hw30 Text

In videos, that list changes a bit and the JVC drops down a few notches, but part of that is due to effect of DLP rather than pure inherent sharpness...

So, you say that the Z30000 is about where the Benqs are? We had a Benq PE8720 (720p) for years. It was razor sharp, but had $7K MSRP optics
With a High Power screen, super deep blacks are not that important to me.
On the High Power, the Z30000 looks like a 110 inch plasma. Bang for the buck, at $1.8K it's hard to beat.

Like I said earlier, I'm hoping that Sony steps up with a replacement for the W95ES.
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