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Originally Posted by jeff permanian View Post

is anyone interested to hear what the subwoofers can do? If so when could we squeeze that into the schedule?

+1
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Getting a tiny bit of snow tonight, but should be pretty decent on Saturday!
http://www.bing.com/weather/search?q...er&FORM=DTPWEA
post #303 of 386
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Getting a tiny bit of snow tonight, but should be pretty decent on Saturday!

Guess this Southern Man better get the extra insurance on the rental, ha. We don't know nuthin bout drivin in no snow. Seriously though, getting excitied about the meet. What's the itinerary shaping up to be? Are the Submersives confirmed? I should get in around 3:30 friday afternoon. Just trying to plan my sleep. I'll be flying out shortly after my 12 hr night shift. :/
post #304 of 386
When I compare sub/amp systems I am listening to several factors: low bass, mid bass, detail, dynamics and distortion. The distortion won't really be a factor here because we aren't adjusting the volume and turning it up louder and louder.

In looking over the subs that will be present, it would be hard for me to just assign a single number - especially if there are only three numbers. I guess in some sense the playlist helps this out because one track will emphasize low bass and another midbass. The final score, though, wouldn't indicate which sub performed well at which parameter.

Having already listened to several of these combos, I feel confident saying that we are listening more for nuances between the subs than we are between a bad and excellent sub. Most people would be happy to have any one of these sub systems in their own house. How then does the scoring system help us define or explain those nuances to others?

If we do give one number for each clip, I think it would be helpful if you had a list of the clips with a little write-up of why you chose the clip so we are all listening for the same thing. For the Omaha GTG, we chose some clips for deep bass, some for complex bass sequences, some for dynamics, etc. However, we never communicated what we were really listening for in the clip.
post #305 of 386
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Originally Posted by wlelandj View Post

Guess this Southern Man better get the extra insurance on the rental, ha. We don't know nuthin bout drivin in no snow.

Between your car insurance and credit card, you often have plenty of coverage for a rental car.
post #306 of 386
desertdome brings up some very good points. I'm interested to see how they are addressed.

Also, I think it would be of particular interest to quite a few if, during the "max spl" session that Jeff is talking about, you load REW and do some distortion testing at various frequencies. Or, if someone has CEA2010, run that. I realize this wouldn't be an ideal setting due to being indoors, but it might be good for comparison. Or, perhaps I'm way off track here.
post #307 of 386
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Originally Posted by desertdome View Post

When I compare sub/amp systems I am listening to several factors: low bass, mid bass, detail, dynamics and distortion. The distortion won't really be a factor here because we aren't adjusting the volume and turning it up louder and louder.

In looking over the subs that will be present, it would be hard for me to just assign a single number - especially if there are only three numbers. I guess in some sense the playlist helps this out because one track will emphasize low bass and another midbass. The final score, though, wouldn't indicate which sub performed well at which parameter.

Having already listened to several of these combos, I feel confident saying that we are listening more for nuances between the subs than we are between a bad and excellent sub. Most people would be happy to have any one of these sub systems in their own house. How then does the scoring system help us define or explain those nuances to others?

If we do give one number for each clip, I think it would be helpful if you had a list of the clips with a little write-up of why you chose the clip so we are all listening for the same thing. For the Omaha GTG, we chose some clips for deep bass, some for complex bass sequences, some for dynamics, etc. However, we never communicated what we were really listening for in the clip.

After the Omaha GTG, As I looked over Archaea's score sheet and comments, I noticed we listened for the same parts of each clip and compared the differences. Good idea on telling people the specific sections to concentrate on and share their thoughts.

examples: bumblebee flip, sideswipe guns and flip, red cliff drum, pops from thrusters on battle la, rotors on f'n irene, etc
post #308 of 386
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Ughh - stuck at work today fixing a server (and I came in early today to boot). --- while I'm waiting there's this!!!!

Attendee List -- If your name is in green it means you recently confirmed. If your name is not in green it means you planned to attend but I've not heard from you in a while. Did I miss anybody? We will try to start at 9:00AM on Saturday (realistically we'll start playing the demo Klipsch sub setup before 9:30AM or so). Then the real blind sub shootout will begin after that demo and following the next subwoofer calibration. The subs will be played in a random sub order to be drawn from a hat that day. I believe I've pm'ed everyone in attendance my address and cell phone number. If not - it wasn't an intentional miss. Just let me know. The equipment will all be in the basement. If you arrive late and see nobody - just head on down through the door in the kitchen.

carp
desertdome
energyfun
HuskerOmaha
Jeff Permanian & friend
Luke Kamp
stich1
stormwind13 - can't make it afterall
Kwarny
sweetmeat
TechnoSponge
tesseract67
thebuckaman & friend
wlelandj
jedimastergrant
Mark Seaton
post #309 of 386
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SubM's arrived via freight about a 1/2 hour ago.

Jeff should arrive tonight about 7PM to drop his gear off and perhaps play a bit.

HuskerOmaha and DesertDome are coming in tonight about 9PM.

Tesseract67 and Kwarny are coming in today/tonight, but I don't know what time.
post #310 of 386
Good list of people attending. Should be an awesome event! Our east coast meet is next month and I can't wait!
post #311 of 386
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

SubM's arrived via freight about a 1/2 hour ago.

Jeff should arrive tonight about 7PM to drop his gear off and perhaps play a bit.

HuskerOmaha and DesertDome are coming in tonight about 9PM.

Tesseract67 and Kwarny are coming in today/tonight, but I don't know what time.

Ive tried every option possible to get up there, just not in the cards, Im really sorry I wont be able to make it as this will more than likely be the most comprehensive blind test that AFAIK has been actually carried out to completion. I even had a new dog I was trying to pick up in sioux city but she wont be ready until mid february...
post #312 of 386
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Ive tried every option possible to get up there, just not in the cards, Im really sorry I wont be able to make it as this will more than likely be the most comprehensive blind test that AFAIK has been actually carried out to completion. I even had a new dog I was trying to pick up in sioux city but she wont be ready until mid february...

shucks man...

Sorry to hear that.

There is an east coast meet next week. It's north of you but would be closer mileage wise I'd guess. Maybe you can make that one? It isn't blind, but there are some fun subs attending!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1378707
post #313 of 386
I am very excited to meet everyone and hear some fantastic subs. My primary focus will be on detail and dynamics.
What I am really hoping to learn from all of this is really to give myself a definitive answer to the age old question of what I prefer more ported or sealed subs.

See back in my car audio days I really only liked sealed. I came to this conclusion by testing out LOTS of different subs in a lot of different environments. The thing is most of the car audio subs resonant frequency is somewhere between 30-45hrz. So normally when you put them into a ported box you would get what I call a BOOM box where you get a ton of output at one or just very small range. Somewhere near the the frequency of what the port is tuned to. This is great if you only want to hear that one note really loud but not if you are listening for detail in your music. Where a sealed box would give you less output on that same note without a lot more power. It would have a much smoother response through out its range. But in a car I was never on a quest to get to >20hz. One thing I did learn about ports is that once you get below its ports tuning range the sound would pretty much fall apart in one way or another. Where with a sealed sub it would just get quieter the lower you went. And in a car where space is a premium you would either have to take up a lot of space to get a port tuned low enough or just go sealed and through money at the amp.

I am a bit more limited on my theater sub experience but I have yet to hear a sealed home theater sub that I would want to own. I find a ported sub tuned to around 15-20hz ideal because what little they lack under that range is minimal but room gain normally makes up for that. I had a small sub tuned around 35hz and although for the most part it sounded great in a small room. Once I really got into blu-rays I quickly learned it couldn’t play deep content and would not only give me port noise but in larger rooms it would bottom out my diver. I upgraded the driver but to no avail. Now I have heard a few sealed subs that have sounded really good but they either didn’t have as much output or cost far more then I would be willing to spend because I could get a ported sub that would have more output and cost much less because it didn’t require as big of an amp.

Now I don’t currently have the biggest or greatest sub on the market not even close. But I do have what was once one of the best “budget” subs on the market. SVSound 12PB-NSD. I have heard much better and FAR worse theater subs. I will be using it as my reference sub as well as what I heard from Archaea’s Caps the other night. Now I know I have not heard my NSD in this room. But I do have a pretty good idea of what to exspect based off passed experiences. I have had it in many different rooms and I know that output wouldn’t be the same but the detail should still be close. Just as the Caps should have blown me out of my chair with output and probably would if they were in my room. But due to his room they didn’t. But I was able to tell that his Caps dig much deeper then my single little SVS. No need for a full review right now

To sum up this overly long post. I really want to like a sealed sub and this shootout is pretty much no holds bars test of what you can put into a theater if money and size is no object.

I for one can’t wait!
post #314 of 386
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

shucks man...

Sorry to hear that.

There is an east coast meet next week. It's north of you but would be closer mileage wise I'd guess. Maybe you can make that one? It isn't blind, but there are some fun subs attending!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1378707

Thanks for linking us Archaea! Looks like you guys will have a blast tomorrow. I'll sit tight and look forward to reading all about it in the next few days.
post #315 of 386
Will HuskerOmaha bringing his LG clone amp? would like to hear from you guys how it power the Caps
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Will HuskerOmaha bringing his LG clone amp? would like to hear from you guys how it power the Caps

we can't hook it up to his caps if they are the 2 ohm conf. I'm bringing it though
post #317 of 386
They fit! The subs are in my car, I am headed out for food then hitting the road.
post #318 of 386
I'm heading over to HuskerOmaha's. We'll load the dual opposed MFW-15 subs and Dayton/Lab Gruppen clone amps and head out. We should be on the road in the next 45 minutes.
post #319 of 386
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Originally Posted by desertdome View Post

I'm heading over to HuskerOmaha's. We'll load the dual opposed MFW-15 subs and Dayton/Lab Gruppen clone amps and head out. We should be on the road in the next 45 minutes.

I'm bored waiting on you
post #320 of 386
This sounds like a fun weekend and I have been enjoying following this thread. I'm rooting for the Submersive HP, since that's the one I decided on, and I'm now a fanboy. Since I didn't go to a D-1 college, and i don't really have a team to root for, I have to take my cheering opportunities where I can find them.
post #321 of 386
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This sounds like a fun weekend and I have been enjoying following this thread. I'm rooting for the Submersive HP, since that's the one I decided on, and I'm now a fanboy. Since I didn't go to a D-1 college, and i don't really have a team to root for, I have to take my cheering opportunities where I can find them.

I hope the mfw15 subs win just so it throws everything I think I know down the drain!
post #322 of 386
I cant wait to see the results.
post #323 of 386
I'm hearing chuffing already from the caps, and we are watching FRIENDS reruns. Unbelievable
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I even had a new dog I was trying to pick up in sioux city but she wont be ready until mid february...

Are you a coon hunter?
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Are spectators welcome?
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Are spectators welcome?

bring pizza
post #327 of 386
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Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post

I'm hearing chuffing already from the caps, and we are watching FRIENDS reruns. Unbelievable

That's going to be even more funny after the blind results.....
post #328 of 386
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Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post

I'm hearing chuffing already from the caps, and we are watching FRIENDS reruns. Unbelievable

Uh, oh.

Tell Jeff I'm following this thread intently. This thread, and the pictures he owes me when he gets back home, are all I'm waiting on for my pre-final decision.
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Are spectators welcome?

Yeah step outside in about an hour and you should feel us start!

Lol

PM sent.


Oh by the way gentleman. We are going to hear two new JTR products during the meet. Did someone say new 49" tall orbit shifter in addition to cap sealed? We had a preview of the orbit shifter last night: WOW!
post #330 of 386
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Yeah step outside in about an hour and you should feel us start!

Lol

PM sent.

Oh by the way gentleman. We are going to hear two new JTR products during the meet. Did someone say new 49" tall orbit shifter in addition to cap sealed? We had a preview of the orbit shifter last night: WOW!

The fact that Jeff is making that drive and bringing brand new toys is cool. Makes me want some JTR products even more.
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