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Need help with rear projection setup

post #1 of 20
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I am looking to get an approximately 98" image (85" x 48") with about 3' of throw between the screen and the wall (rear projection setup).

I have come across a multitude of short throw projectors, but I have yet to find one that is 1920 x 1080.

At this point I'm considering using a mirror to achieve my desired specs.

If someone knows of a projector that will meet my needs, please let me know. I'd like to avoid using a mirror.

If I must use mirrors, I welcome any advice. So far I know that an FS mirror is a must. Other than that, I'm in the dark.

Thanks,

Mike
post #2 of 20
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Originally Posted by mmoore500 View Post

I am looking to get an approximately 98" image (85" x 48") with about 3' of throw between the screen and the wall (rear projection setup).

I have come across a multitude of short throw projectors, but I have yet to find one that is 1920 x 1080.

At this point I'm considering using a mirror to achieve my desired specs.

If someone knows of a projector that will meet my needs, please let me know. I'd like to avoid using a mirror.

If I must use mirrors, I welcome any advice. So far I know that an FS mirror is a must. Other than that, I'm in the dark.


Thanks,

Mike



98" from 3'? Tough one for sure.

Budget? There are high end projectors that allow you to select the throw by way of lense options at time of order.

Expect to pay at least $10K+ if not more.

The First surface mirror idea is a good one. But I dare say 98" at 6' isn't real common either in anything 1080p.

I'd highly suggest a MITSUBISHI WD-92840
92" 3D HOME CINEMA TV


Super easy for what you want to do and best deal for the money most likely.

No way I'd go to all that trouble for 98" of screen size.
post #3 of 20
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Thanks for the idea on the TV. That thing is huge. Unfortunately, a TV isn't really an option. The setup needs to be movable by one person.

I've done some measurements, and using a mirror I can get about 7' of distance from 3.'

I will look for some more expensive projectors like you mentioned. But it is looking like I will have to go with lower resolution.
post #4 of 20
Needs to be movable? Why? What you're talking about is supposed to be fixed in place. Realigning every time is going to be a hassle.

Also keep in mind that for any rear-projection system to be effective, the space behind the screen must be completely dark.
post #5 of 20
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Originally Posted by mmoore500 View Post

Thanks for the idea on the TV. That thing is huge. Unfortunately, a TV isn't really an option. The setup needs to be movable by one person.

I've done some measurements, and using a mirror I can get about 7' of distance from 3.'

I will look for some more expensive projectors like you mentioned. But it is looking like I will have to go with lower resolution.

I agree with the above poster? Rear projection systems are touchy. But the general rule with any projector setup is to set it and for get it, less changing lamps and maint. I think your doomed if you think your going to move this thing and then move it back with any sort of regularity.
post #6 of 20
Runco has a great option for ultra close projection. The new LS-100d
unfortunately it retails for $19,995.00, but it is LED and can be mounted within a foot or so of the screen. This would meet all your requirements and more.
post #7 of 20
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Thanks for all the input so far. It does need to be moved because I anticipate bringing it with me to trade shows.

$20k is definitely out of my budget. Go figure.

I've been looking at a couple short throw 720p projectors. The throw distance is just about what I'm looking for.

As for the area between the screen and the projector being dark, I have seen applications where it doesn't. I've been looking at using special films from Spyeglass or 3M that should provide a good picture even with a significant amount of ambient light.
post #8 of 20
I'd have to see that film for myself to believe the claims. How is it going know the difference between the light from the projector and any ambient light that is also hitting the screen? It doesn't. Any light that hits the screen is going to have an impact on the image.

As for using that for trade shows, sorry, it doesn't sound practical to me. But that's my opinion. As they say, YMMV.
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by mmoore500 View Post

Thanks for all the input so far. It does need to be moved because I anticipate bringing it with me to trade shows.

$20k is definitely out of my budget. Go figure.

I've been looking at a couple short throw 720p projectors. The throw distance is just about what I'm looking for.

As for the area between the screen and the projector being dark, I have seen applications where it doesn't. I've been looking at using special films from Spyeglass or 3M that should provide a good picture even with a significant amount of ambient light.

Sounds like the Mitsubishi WD380U-EST is your best bet. BTW, aren't those special films pretty expensive (as in more expensive than the projector itself)? And are they effect with super short throw projector. If they are high gain short throw projection may suffer from hot spotting without a fresnel lens/screen behind the material.
post #10 of 20
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MTyson, Awesome name (I'm a former boxer myself).

The films can be very expensive. Some are much more expensive than the projector itself.

I have several samples from different manufacturers on the way. Some specifically say they are not compatible with short throw projectors. But many are meant to work with short throw.

I anticipate posting test results in the screen forum within a few weeks. If you'd like, I can post the info here as well.

I'm liking the price of the Mitsubishi WD380U-EST. I will have to check it out in more detail tomorrow (its late).

Thanks again everyone for your input so far.
post #11 of 20
I visit the Texas Fair in Dallas two weeks ago and I saw a company's display with a rear projection screen 60" x 80". Light is not an issue with projectors now a days.
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by mmoore500 View Post

MTyson, Awesome name (I'm a former boxer myself).

The films can be very expensive. Some are much more expensive than the projector itself.

I have several samples from different manufacturers on the way. Some specifically say they are not compatible with short throw projectors. But many are meant to work with short throw.

I anticipate posting test results in the screen forum within a few weeks. If you'd like, I can post the info here as well.

I'm liking the price of the Mitsubishi WD380U-EST. I will have to check it out in more detail tomorrow (its late).

Thanks again everyone for your input so far.

I did some boxing as well. Love the sport. I tried out the Vikuiti screen. It's awesome, but not sure how short of throw you can use.

A projector I was planning to use for a rear projection setup was the Optoma TW-610ST. The price is even better on it. It's brighter too. The throw is slightly longer, but the price on Visual Apex is under $900 last time I checked.

Definitely post your results.
post #13 of 20
Light is ALWAYS an issue with projectors. ANY light hitting the screen WILL have an impact on the image. Why are movie theaters dark? Why were drive-in theaters only operating at night?

Here is a link to a site that has a very good series of images that demonstrate the effect light has on a projected image.

http://www.avintegrated.com/lighting.html

This shows that while you can get a USEABLE image with ambient light, it is NOT ideal and you have lost a lot in contrast and shadow details.
post #14 of 20
I don’t know anything about these but maybe it would suit your needs
http://smarttech.com/us/Solutions/Bu...eboard+systems

I have only seen them in a teacher store and didn’t think it was too bad.
I have no idea how much they are though

Good Luck
post #15 of 20
We have a very similar system with an active whiteboard in one of our conf rooms. they are not bad, but not great either. The one we have has a fair amount of barrel effect on all sides.
post #16 of 20
If you want a set up for an expo of course your image won't look the same as bright as a movie theater but your application is different. Projectors that are use for home entertainment are not the same as the ones used for expos. You need a projector that is 5000 lumens to overcome ambient light. Also for rear projection screens you cannot use a short throw projector. This website has some examples with screen film use applications. PlayOnGlass has a lot of information about this.
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by MYMAS View Post

I visit the Texas Fair in Dallas two weeks ago and I saw a company's display with a rear projection screen 60" x 80". Light is not an issue with projectors now a days.

This is reassuring.
post #18 of 20
Thread Starter 
MTyson,

That Optoma looks promising. Thanks. Is there a reason you didn't use this projector for a rear setup?
post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by FUN4ME View Post

I don't know anything about these but maybe it would suit your needs
http://smarttech.com/us/Solutions/Bu...eboard+systems

I have only seen them in a teacher store and didn't think it was too bad.
I have no idea how much they are though

Good Luck

Thanks, but the smart board isn't what I'm looking for. I want a projector primarily for trade shows. But it will be nice to have for presentations the rest of the year. It would be tough lugging one of those boards with me to meetings.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by MYMAS View Post

If you want a set up for an expo of course your image won't look the same as bright as a movie theater but your application is different. Projectors that are use for home entertainment are not the same as the ones used for expos. You need a projector that is 5000 lumens to overcome ambient light. Also for rear projection screens you cannot use a short throw projector. This website has some examples with screen film use applications. PlayOnGlass has a lot of information about this.

Correct. My application doesn't require movie theater quality. It just needs to be visible with a good amount of contrast. I create our own videos so I can render them with different contrast levels, shadow, etc. and play the ones that suit the lighting at the time.

I've spoken with several rear projection film dealers and Spyeglass told me that I should be looking for a projector with between 5000 - 8000 lumens.

I also have mentioned that I'll be using a short throw projector, and yes, the 3M film will not work. However, Spyeglass says their film should work. I also spoke with Vislogix, and they said their VIStique FC film should work.

I received 3 samples from SSI yesterday. Of the three, (Accent, Intrigue, and Definition) Definition is the only one that shows promise. The other two don't provide enough gain in a setting with high ambient light.

I should add that this stuff is pretty cool. I hope I'm able to pull this off well. I'm enjoying the process.
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