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post #301 of 902
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

Well you'll need a Y splitter since the 3009 doens't support 4 subs, just make sure to connect both F12s to one pre-out and and both PB 12's to the other pre out. Then set the receiver to two subwoofers when you plug the setup microphone in and then just run full cal and you're off.

Aren't you supposed to adjust the volume of each sub to 75db before running the Audyssey calibration?

Also I was thinking about moving the right rear sub to along side my left rear corner sub.
What would be the pros and cons of doing this coupling of the rear subs?
post #302 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Actually that diagram is exactly like my room.
I created it over at floorplanner.com.

Not that diagram, the Audyssey room diagram I linked to
post #303 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Aren't you supposed to adjust the volume of each sub to 75db before running the Audyssey calibration?
Also I was thinking about moving the right rear sub to along side my left rear corner sub.
What would be the pros and cons of doing this coupling of the rear subs?

If you have an SPL meter you can, but adjusting the subs to 75db is also part of the Audyssey process. Have you even tried to run audyssey yet?

You gain more output by having them right next to each other or on top of each other, basically you take the output of your 12 inch sub and make it equivalent to a single larger sub in that position.
post #304 of 902
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

Have you even tried to run audyssey yet?

Nope.
Still rearranging stuff in my room.
post #305 of 902
Thanks fuzz092888. I followed your instructions and adjusted the volume on each of my subs to 75db, then proceded with running the full 8 position Audyssey calibration. WOW!!! What a truely masterful job Audyssey did with my four subwoofers. I'am now surrounded and immersed in tight, solid, deep and powerful bass! No, bloating or booming bass. Sub EQ HT is the real deal. Actually, the bass now "feels" and sounds deeper, than when I was running just two SVS subs. I only have subs with 12" woofers. Just imagine what four subs with 18" woofers would be like.

We bassaholics are never satisfied. biggrin.gif
post #306 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Thanks fuzz092888. I followed your instructions and adjusted the volume on each of my subs to 75db, then proceded with running the full 8 position Audyssey calibration. WOW!!! What a truely masterful job Audyssey did with my four subwoofers. I'am now surrounded and immersed in tight, solid, deep and powerful bass! No, bloating or booming bass. Sub EQ HT is the real deal. Actually, the bass now "feels" and sounds deeper, than when I was running just two SVS subs. I only have subs with 12" woofers. Just imagine what four subs with 18" woofers would be like.
We bassaholics are never satisfied. biggrin.gif

Excellent, glad I could help. XT32 is really worth it if you won't have the time, effort, or money to invest in some dedicated room correction software/hardware. It's easy to use and does the job pretty well.

I think I'll be doing away with audyssey sometime in the near future and going to mini-dsp, just because I'm a control freak, but I'm happy that this is working for you biggrin.gif
post #307 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Thanks fuzz092888. I followed your instructions and adjusted the volume on each of my subs to 75db, then proceded with running the full 8 position Audyssey calibration. WOW!!! What a truely masterful job Audyssey did with my four subwoofers. I'am now surrounded and immersed in tight, solid, deep and powerful bass! No, bloating or booming bass. Sub EQ HT is the real deal. Actually, the bass now "feels" and sounds deeper, than when I was running just two SVS subs. I only have subs with 12" woofers. Just imagine what four subs with 18" woofers would be like.

We bassaholics are never satisfied. biggrin.gif

I can't agree in the sub eq yet as I had to do mine by ear because I can't get a full calibration until I get surrounds. Xt32 did make one sub sound bigger than it is though. I am running two subs and some of the room gain I had disappeared.

butter and jelly please.
post #308 of 902
Ran Audyssey again, after getting great tips from other forum members. Also, I made some changes in my HT room. I moved the subs, about a foot away from the walls, in the corners. Since I don't have a right rear corner, I moved the right rear sub, to just behind the main seating area. Instant ButtKicker! I leveled out each sub to 75dB and then ran the full 8 position, Audyssey calibration.

First, I ran the calibration with just two SVS PB12-NSD subwoofers. The results were great! Then, I ran the calibration again, with two additional subs added to the mix. This time the bass was much deeper, more powerful, tighter and more detailed. It's as if my four subwoofers were put on steroids. Sub EQ HT is the real deal!

It's amazing, the added dimension that a quad subwoofer setup makes, in the enjoyment of both movies and music. The genie is out of its bottle. There's just no way that I would ever go back, to running just two subs. From now on, it's four subwoofers, or no subwoofers.
post #309 of 902
I really wish my room was bigger to accommodate 4 subs. Glad your listening experience has improved.
post #310 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Ran Audyssey again, after getting great tips from other forum members. Also, I made some changes in my HT room. I moved the subs, about a foot away from the walls, in the corners. Since I don't have a right rear corner, I moved the right rear sub, to just behind the main seating area. Instant ButtKicker! I leveled out each sub to 75dB and then ran the full 8 position, Audyssey calibration.

First, I ran the calibration with just two SVS PB12-NSD subwoofers. The results were great! Then, I ran the calibration again, with two additional subs added to the mix. This time the bass was much deeper, more powerful, tighter and more detailed. It's as if my four subwoofers were put on steroids. Sub EQ HT is the real deal!

It's amazing, the added dimension that a quad subwoofer setup makes, in the enjoyment of both movies and music. The genie is out of its bottle. There's just no way that I would ever go back, to running just two subs. From now on, it's four subwoofers, or no subwoofers.

I just upgraded to two. I thought one hsu was awesome but adding another does add some depth and made it cleaner. But yeah, once you move past one sub it would be hard to go back.

butter and jelly please.
post #311 of 902
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Originally Posted by pukemon View Post

I just upgraded to two. I thought one hsu was awesome but adding another does add some depth and made it cleaner. But yeah, once you move past one sub it would be hard to go back.
butter and jelly please.

The biggest benefit to adding more subwoofers other than the additional output, it that it helps smooth smooth out room response even before sub EQ is applied. It really depends on your philosophy and your room, but some say three subwoofers is best, some say more. It all has to do with smoothing out room peaks and modes. The ideal setup will differ from room to room, but the best way to do it is do bass crawls followed by measurements to see which placements offer the smoothest response. Follow that up with a liberal amount of room correction (audyssey or a sub eq filter) and you're good to go. Also, all your subs should be the same for optimum performance.

You guys are experiencing much smoother room response with two and four subs, and the added output helps it all sound better. Louder also helps since many studies have shown that louder = better in the brain biggrin.gif
post #312 of 902
It definitely is NOT the loudness. The smoother room response and more rumble in the couch is what is crazy. I just placed them side by side today and that cleaned out the bad room gain I had. It didn't sound better with music until I did that. For movie it added a little awe effect being apart, but now side by side it is believable and has more depth. Can't wait to get some surrounds and get a full cal in. Eager to hear what audyssey does without me having to fill in the blanks.

butter and jelly please.
post #313 of 902
well I wouldn't say definitely not, at least for movies. You just admitted that there was extra rumble.
post #314 of 902
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

well I wouldn't say definitely not, at least for movies. You just admitted that there was extra rumble.

Extra rumble and I have both knobs under 9 o clock now. Also, there was an area, not in a listening position that rumbled the walls unnecessarily, but adding the second sub just swept any of that under the couch and it is noticeable in a very good way. biggrin.gif

butter and jelly please.
post #315 of 902
Two subs set to 75db will raise the overall bass response 3db overall over a single sub set to 75db. The moving rumble is just smoothing bass response and putting it at the listening position, which should happen with multiple subs. Always good to improve, you should definitely have that kind of noticeable improvement when you add a second sub, but it's still always good to hear it confirmed anyways biggrin.gif
post #316 of 902
On a side note, I sampled the train crash scene from Super 8 on BD, for the very first time (never saw it when it was theatrically released). As the train was derailing, I could "feel" waves of deep powerful bass, rolling through my room. It was as if the cars were crashing into my room! That has got to be the most chillingly realistic, train crash scene ever in a movie. My new favorite demo scene...for now. Picking up a copy of The Hurt Locker on BD tomorrow, now that the price has dropped. smile.gif

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post #317 of 902
Just noticed while watching Ranger game on FS, Display input says Dolby Digital 5.1 48Khz with Output being 5.1 DD. Problem is, the Center channel is not picking up any audio. Dialog is coming from L + R. I have the Source setup as straight decode. Any ideas?

I just checked a different channel and it's 5.1 is actually working as 5.1. Fox Sports SW channel is saying DD 5.1 but is acting like 2.0.
Edited by mgp - 8/6/12 at 4:51pm
post #318 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Picking up a copy of The Hurt Locker on BD tomorrow, now that the price has dropped. smile.gif

Do yourself a favor and don't do it. Worst. Movie. Ever.
post #319 of 902
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Originally Posted by naamanf View Post

Do yourself a favor and don't do it. Worst. Movie. Ever.

You seem to be in the minority with your opinion.
post #320 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

You seem to be in the minority with your opinion.
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

You seem to be in the minority with your opinion.

Know anything about the military? The creators of that movie sure didn't. BS from the opening scene to the closing credits. It truly is a discredit to anyone who has ever served time in uniform.
post #321 of 902
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Originally Posted by naamanf View Post

Know anything about the military? The creators of that movie sure didn't. BS from the opening scene to the closing credits. It truly is a discredit to anyone who has ever served time in uniform.

Dude, it's called a movie. It's not a documentary. As such The Hurt Locker was made for entertainment and to make money. Every war movie ever made by Hollywood has contained inaccuracies. Duh?

If your looking for the real thing I suggest you get a copy of this...http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/product/dvds/culture%2C-history-and-religion/war-and-military/restrepo-blu-ray-disc
post #322 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Dude, it's called a movie. It's not a documentary. As such The Hurt Locker was made for entertainment and to make money. Every war movie ever made by Hollywood has contained inaccuracies. Duh?
If your looking for the real thing I suggest you get a copy of this...http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/product/dvds/culture%2C-history-and-religion/war-and-military/restrepo-blu-ray-disc

Got it, except this one is horrible. Wasn't entertaining and I'm glad I didn't help them make money.

I do really like my 3009 though.
post #323 of 902
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Got it, except this one is horrible. Wasn't entertaining and I'm glad I didn't help them make money.

Which leads me to believe that your taste in movies leaves a lot to be desired.
post #324 of 902
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Which leads me to believe that your taste in movies leaves a lot to be desired.

Like wise.
post #325 of 902
taste is totally subjective so you guys are debating which tastes more like chicken.....broccoli or carrots
post #326 of 902
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Originally Posted by naamanf View Post

IMO Do yourself a favor and don't do it. Worst. Movie. Ever.

There I fixed it for you smile.gif
post #327 of 902
Question,how real were the Batman movies? rolleyes.gif What about Act of Valor?
post #328 of 902
and this relates to the 3009 how exactly?
post #329 of 902
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Originally Posted by Jnelson Young View Post

and this relates to the 3009 how exactly?

It doesn't biggrin.gif

Speaking of 3009's. Just built (with a lot of help) a new entertainment stand. So my 3009 has a new home biggrin.gif


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post #330 of 902
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

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Originally Posted by Jnelson Young View Post

and this relates to the 3009 how exactly?

It doesn't biggrin.gif

Speaking of 3009's. Just built (with a lot of help) a new entertainment stand. So my 3009 has a new home biggrin.gif


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I don't see pics. Is it homemade? I am seriously considering getting my dad to build me an oak entertainment center.

butter and jelly please.
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