Originally Posted by coppertop
We all have our must haves and nice to haves.
With respect to the OSD, since the 3009 doesn't have the new input preview that the new Onkyo's have, I see very little need for the OSD on the HDMI Sub. The only thing it shows is setup OSD and volume information (if i remember correctly). My ears are a good judge for volume, and I don't need to see the little momentary bar on the screen to verify what actual volume setting I'm on. I setup my receiver using my TV which is connected to HDMI Main...once that's done, I don't need the OSD.
I must admit, I do not use the networking features of the AVR...so I can't confirm if those are also NOT output to the HDMI Sub (ie. Pandora, DLNA, etc.). If this is in fact the case, then I can see it as being a big problem for some users...I use my AppleTV and HTPC for these features.
I just wanted to point this out since I didn't want the previous post to deter someone from taking advantage of the great clearout pricing that is currently available on the 3009 for a limitation that may not be an issue for them.
To each his/her own I guess
I could give a hoot less about the input preview because I know what is on my inputs and until I see different when I get the 818 I believe it is a gimmick. I do not need to see the volume slider either, c'mon man give me a break. I like to play around with the sound options and video settings when watching TV on my projector as well as seeing what signal is being fed and what I am doing with it from different sources. If you do not understand this then I cannot explain it to you. See below because I am not trying to detract from anything.
Originally Posted by fuzz092888
I'm just curious, why do you need the OSD output to both outputs?
If I read your posts correctly your sub-out goes to the projector. Am I correct in assuming that you have a retractable screen and a TV on the wall?
I have a 61" Samsung TV and an Acer H9500BD projector on the sub out which uses a retractable screen so you are correct. The screen does come down in front of the TV for serious viewing. I also have a Epson 8350 projector. Why do I want OSD to the PJ? See above. I like to check the different ISF presets, Custom and direct and compare what I am seeing from time to time and I am about 13' from the screen which is about 14' plus from the AVR. I can barely see what the heck I am doing with the 809 and have become quite good memorizing what I am navigating to but sometimes I need to get up to see the puny display. Having one of these AVRs and not exploring its' potential is shame if you ask me. I have found some source material needs some help vs others.
Originally Posted by coolcat4843
I feel sorry for you married guys.
So glad I don't have that noose around my neck.
Being single is the only way to go.
I know you had a smiley there but I feel sorry for you and hope you can find someone to share your life with. The best things in life are better when you can share them. My wife understands me and I can buy whatever I want if I can justify it to myself, not her. I have done it over and over and I just do not take advantage of it because I have a family and obligations. I could buy the 3010, the 5009 or whatever I want but I do not need that. I may want that but in this case I decided it was not needed in my setup. I told her I was getting the 3009 because it could do something I learned it could not do. She will remind me of these things but it is not a noose. She is the one who is there for me when I need her and even when I do not. Enough of that, after 26 years she is always there. I hope you can find something like that because a 3009 is not that. Next year will bring a new AVR and features and next year I will have my life partner still. There is no next year model of her and no AVR will take care of me when I am sick.
Again, enjoy your 3009s. I am sure it is a fine model and if this does not explain where I am coming from nothing will. When someone comes out with the decent priced dual OSD out capability (how hard is that?) I will evaluate my situation. 3 AVRs in 4 years is getting old and none of them below $600. Let me see, Pio Elite VSX-23TXH, 809, and now the 818. I hope you guys can appreciate my situation and I am not trying to detract from the 3009 at all because I am sure it is an excellent unit.
BTW what in the heck does "butter and jelly please" mean?