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post #421 of 902
If anyone has trouble with the firmware, you can post in the Onkyo forum. Usually support will respond to it and help.
post #422 of 902
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Originally Posted by randallhill View Post

How true...not broken? why update the firmware?? eek.gif
Front A speakers are bi-amp.
So, yet another annoyance after the firmware update...why is it (in "Stereo" mode) when I change the front speakers to "Full Range" I lose the subwoofer(s) sound and "SW" icon on the front display even though the sub(s) are set as "On" in the speaker set up?? Seems as though the only time I can get Stereo and subwoofer(s) is when I don't set the front speakers to "Full Range" e.g., 80Hz (THX). I'd like to get Stereo FR/FL & Sub(s) i.e., "2.2" for Phono, HD radio, CD/Cassette, I-Radio and NAS. Should I do a factory reset, lose all configurations and start over??

The setting is called double bass. Set the front L/R to large then scroll down and set double bass to on. Voila. You should have stereo with speakers set to large and have the subwoofers running. I will caution you though, that if you crank the volume way up to reference levels, you could possibly damage your speakers depending on your speakers, the amp driving them, and the content.
post #423 of 902
Thanks Fuzz!!

Well, regarding the now mistaken potential "firmware glitch"...in the immortal words of Emily Litella..."Nevermind!" LOL smile.gif

Yup, the "Double Bass" did the trick, and yup, I had to do some tweaking to the sub(s) level (-4db) and the front frequencies for the bass. -2db, -4db, -6db.

Listened to Pink Floyd "Welcome to the Machine"on my B&O turntable, and the bass just about shook the pictures off the wall...lol.

Forget about playing Genesis with Mike Rutherford's sustained bass pedal biggrin.gif
post #424 of 902
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Originally Posted by coppertop View Post

We all have our must haves and nice to haves.
With respect to the OSD, since the 3009 doesn't have the new input preview that the new Onkyo's have, I see very little need for the OSD on the HDMI Sub. The only thing it shows is setup OSD and volume information (if i remember correctly). My ears are a good judge for volume, and I don't need to see the little momentary bar on the screen to verify what actual volume setting I'm on. I setup my receiver using my TV which is connected to HDMI Main...once that's done, I don't need the OSD.
I must admit, I do not use the networking features of the AVR...so I can't confirm if those are also NOT output to the HDMI Sub (ie. Pandora, DLNA, etc.). If this is in fact the case, then I can see it as being a big problem for some users...I use my AppleTV and HTPC for these features.
I just wanted to point this out since I didn't want the previous post to deter someone from taking advantage of the great clearout pricing that is currently available on the 3009 for a limitation that may not be an issue for them.
To each his/her own I guess
I could give a hoot less about the input preview because I know what is on my inputs and until I see different when I get the 818 I believe it is a gimmick. I do not need to see the volume slider either, c'mon man give me a break. I like to play around with the sound options and video settings when watching TV on my projector as well as seeing what signal is being fed and what I am doing with it from different sources. If you do not understand this then I cannot explain it to you. See below because I am not trying to detract from anything.

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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

I'm just curious, why do you need the OSD output to both outputs?
If I read your posts correctly your sub-out goes to the projector. Am I correct in assuming that you have a retractable screen and a TV on the wall?
I have a 61" Samsung TV and an Acer H9500BD projector on the sub out which uses a retractable screen so you are correct. The screen does come down in front of the TV for serious viewing. I also have a Epson 8350 projector. Why do I want OSD to the PJ? See above. I like to check the different ISF presets, Custom and direct and compare what I am seeing from time to time and I am about 13' from the screen which is about 14' plus from the AVR. I can barely see what the heck I am doing with the 809 and have become quite good memorizing what I am navigating to but sometimes I need to get up to see the puny display. Having one of these AVRs and not exploring its' potential is shame if you ask me. I have found some source material needs some help vs others.

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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

I feel sorry for you married guys.
So glad I don't have that noose around my neck.
Being single is the only way to go. smile.gif

I know you had a smiley there but I feel sorry for you and hope you can find someone to share your life with. The best things in life are better when you can share them. My wife understands me and I can buy whatever I want if I can justify it to myself, not her. I have done it over and over and I just do not take advantage of it because I have a family and obligations. I could buy the 3010, the 5009 or whatever I want but I do not need that. I may want that but in this case I decided it was not needed in my setup. I told her I was getting the 3009 because it could do something I learned it could not do. She will remind me of these things but it is not a noose. She is the one who is there for me when I need her and even when I do not. Enough of that, after 26 years she is always there. I hope you can find something like that because a 3009 is not that. Next year will bring a new AVR and features and next year I will have my life partner still. There is no next year model of her and no AVR will take care of me when I am sick.

Again, enjoy your 3009s. I am sure it is a fine model and if this does not explain where I am coming from nothing will. When someone comes out with the decent priced dual OSD out capability (how hard is that?) I will evaluate my situation. 3 AVRs in 4 years is getting old and none of them below $600. Let me see, Pio Elite VSX-23TXH, 809, and now the 818. I hope you guys can appreciate my situation and I am not trying to detract from the 3009 at all because I am sure it is an excellent unit.

BTW what in the heck does "butter and jelly please" mean?
post #425 of 902
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

I could give a hoot less about the input preview because I know what is on my inputs and until I see different when I get the 818 I believe it is a gimmick. I do not need to see the volume slider either, c'mon man give me a break. I like to play around with the sound options and video settings when watching TV on my projector as well as seeing what signal is being fed and what I am doing with it from different sources. If you do not understand this then I cannot explain it to you. See below because I am not trying to detract from anything.
I have a 61" Samsung TV and an Acer H9500BD projector on the sub out which uses a retractable screen so you are correct. The screen does come down in front of the TV for serious viewing. I also have a Epson 8350 projector. Why do I want OSD to the PJ? See above. I like to check the different ISF presets, Custom and direct and compare what I am seeing from time to time and I am about 13' from the screen which is about 14' plus from the AVR. I can barely see what the heck I am doing with the 809 and have become quite good memorizing what I am navigating to but sometimes I need to get up to see the puny display. Having one of these AVRs and not exploring its' potential is shame if you ask me. I have found some source material needs some help vs others.
I know you had a smiley there but I feel sorry for you and hope you can find someone to share your life with. The best things in life are better when you can share them. My wife understands me and I can buy whatever I want if I can justify it to myself, not her. I have done it over and over and I just do not take advantage of it because I have a family and obligations. I could buy the 3010, the 5009 or whatever I want but I do not need that. I may want that but in this case I decided it was not needed in my setup. I told her I was getting the 3009 because it could do something I learned it could not do. She will remind me of these things but it is not a noose. She is the one who is there for me when I need her and even when I do not. Enough of that, after 26 years she is always there. I hope you can find something like that because a 3009 is not that. Next year will bring a new AVR and features and next year I will have my life partner still. There is no next year model of her and no AVR will take care of me when I am sick.
Again, enjoy your 3009s. I am sure it is a fine model and if this does not explain where I am coming from nothing will. When someone comes out with the decent priced dual OSD out capability (how hard is that?) I will evaluate my situation. 3 AVRs in 4 years is getting old and none of them below $600. Let me see, Pio Elite VSX-23TXH, 809, and now the 818. I hope you guys can appreciate my situation and I am not trying to detract from the 3009 at all because I am sure it is an excellent unit.
BTW what in the heck does "butter and jelly please" mean?

I could not help but commenting on these posts. First I want to compliment you on the married comments. Yes I love this hobby and sometime invest more than i should. There are some compromises in life and having a partner in life. I sometimes pass on an item I really do not need , or place an item mabey not quite where I would like it just to please not out of fear or who is in charge. Out of love and respect. You obviously know how to keep a good partnership as I mine has lasted 48 years so far.

As far as the 3009 is concerned I have one and I love it. . Two very important issues with it do bother me. The lack of OSD on sub two and theyre refusal to add 11.2 capability to the 0009 models even at a charge.

To solve the annoying OSD issue I added a powered HDMI splitter from monoprice . All my sources go HDMI or other into the 3009 out from HDMI main to a darblet and and to the One in and two out splitter and to my Panny Plasme and JVC pj. As you my screen does come down and block the receiver. This does work and does not seem to create any main issues with the picture or sound and I get full on screen display. Just thought I would pass this on . The only other issue is the 11.2 and I do sort of resent taking a loss on this unit to get that, so ill probably suffer without. There is always something more. Enjoy
post #426 of 902
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

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Originally Posted by coppertop View Post

I am sure it is an excellent unit.

BTW what in the heck does "butter and jelly please" mean?

I use tapatalk so my Sig carries over. It is an android thing. And I like butter and jelly too. Peanut butter and jelly even more.


butter and jelly please.
post #427 of 902
I was going to bring up a decent Hdmi 1X2 splitter. Those are easily had for 25.00 on amazon. That would solve the OSD in a heartbeat. As for the marriage versus single that is a little tougher to solve. I love having my home theater to share with her and her family. Her Dad and step Mom watched Battleship the other night and it was the best sound and image I have had at home. Sorry William we were doing 11 speakers with DTS NEO X using a 5010 and the Parasound. Anyway, when I was single (briefly) I enjoyed my theater but most nights were by myself down there. Sure it was fun and Rocco and Duke kept me company but there's nothing like hearing, "This is amazing sound" or "Look how sharp that is" or "I can't believe how much better this is than at the movies" from your partner. My family also loves coming here and we are planning our football parties next Wednesday and Sunday! smile.gif

Of course there is nothing wrong with being single. Some believe that: Single is not a status, it is a word that describes a person who is strong to live and enjoy life without depending on others.

I am definitely cool with either or and wherever life takes me. I am happily Married now and envy you guys and all your years together. I just plan to take a day and a week and a month at a time..... Maybe with some luck we can make it a long time too. smile.gif
post #428 of 902
For you folks still on the fence about getting a 3009, Fry's has it priced at $999.99. eek.gif
However, that's for in store purchase only, no shipping.

So if your lucky enough to live near a Fry's, you'll make out like a bandit! smile.gif
post #429 of 902
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

The more sophisticated power conditioners and managers are definitely a nice thing to have, but if you are just looking for function, Niles and a few others like Xantech, etc. make simple little power blocks which can be triggered with any 12V signal. This can be used with either a true 12V trigger on a processor, or even be made by plugging in a 12V "wall wart" into a switched outlet. I don't recall the price off hand, but the switched power block by Niles is pretty reasonable IIRC.

Mark Seaton

Yeah, but many fry's don't carry it. You have to have a store nearby and see if they will order it for you. Ask more than one salesperson because some guys are out to get you and others too lazy to make a few clicks on a keyboard.

butter and jelly please.
post #430 of 902
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Originally Posted by pukemon View Post

Yeah, but many fry's don't carry it. You have to have a store nearby and see if they will order it for you. Ask more than one salesperson because some guys are out to get you and others too lazy to make a few clicks on a keyboard.
butter and jelly please.

WOW!!!

Didn't know there customer service was that bad.
In that case, I'am glad I got my 3009 from OneCall. smile.gif
post #431 of 902
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I was going to bring up a decent Hdmi 1X2 splitter. Those are easily had for 25.00 on amazon. That would solve the OSD in a heartbeat. As for the marriage versus single that is a little tougher to solve. I love having my home theater to share with her and her family. Her Dad and step Mom watched Battleship the other night and it was the best sound and image I have had at home. Sorry William we were doing 11 speakers with DTS NEO X using a 5010 and the Parasound. Anyway, when I was single (briefly) I enjoyed my theater but most nights were by myself down there. Sure it was fun and Rocco and Duke kept me company but there's nothing like hearing, "This is amazing sound" or "Look how sharp that is" or "I can't believe how much better this is than at the movies" from your partner. My family also loves coming here and we are planning our football parties next Wednesday and Sunday! smile.gif
Of course there is nothing wrong with being single. Some believe that: Single is not a status, it is a word that describes a person who is strong to live and enjoy life without depending on others.
I am definitely cool with either or and wherever life takes me. I am happily Married now and envy you guys and all your years together. I just plan to take a day and a week and a month at a time..... Maybe with some luck we can make it a long time too. smile.gif

++++1 here. Thanks for saying that.
post #432 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

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Originally Posted by pukemon View Post

Yeah, but many fry's don't carry it. You have to have a store nearby and see if they will order it for you. Ask more than one salesperson because some guys are out to get you and others too lazy to make a few clicks on a keyboard.
butter and jelly please.

WOW!!!

Didn't know there customer service was that bad.
In that case, I'am glad I got my 3009 from OneCall. smile.gif

It is not that bad. Had to throw that out there in case you get a salesperson like that. 90% of the time you won't encounter this. But when you do, be persistent just in case. $1000 for a 3009 is too good a deal to have a salesperson shrug his shoulders with you.

butter and jelly please.
post #433 of 902
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Originally Posted by pukemon View Post

It is not that bad. Had to throw that out there in case you get a salesperson like that. 90% of the time you won't encounter this. But when you do, be persistent just in case. $1000 for a 3009 is too good a deal to have a salesperson shrug his shoulders with you.
butter and jelly please.

Gotcha!
post #434 of 902
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Originally Posted by pukemon View Post

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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

The more sophisticated power conditioners and managers are definitely a nice thing to have, but if you are just looking for function, Niles and a few others like Xantech, etc. make simple little power blocks which can be triggered with any 12V signal. This can be used with either a true 12V trigger on a processor, or even be made by plugging in a 12V "wall wart" into a switched outlet. I don't recall the price off hand, but the switched power block by Niles is pretty reasonable IIRC.

Mark Seaton

Yeah, but many fry's don't carry it. You have to have a store nearby and see if they will order it for you. Ask more than one salesperson because some guys are out to get you and others too lazy to make a few clicks on a keyboard.

butter and jelly please.

By chance did you hit the wrong button on the quoting? That was a post I made 11+ years ago!
post #435 of 902
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

To solve the annoying OSD issue I added a powered HDMI splitter from monoprice . All my sources go HDMI or other into the 3009 out from HDMI main to a darblet and and to the One in and two out splitter and to my Panny Plasme and JVC pj. As you my screen does come down and block the receiver. This does work and does not seem to create any main issues with the picture or sound and I get full on screen display. Just thought I would pass this on . The only other issue is the 11.2 and I do sort of resent taking a loss on this unit to get that, so ill probably suffer without. There is always something more. Enjoy
Congrats to you William. I need a 3D capable splitter for my setup. Has someone come out with one that works?

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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I was going to bring up a decent Hdmi 1X2 splitter. Those are easily had for 25.00 on amazon....snip... I am definitely cool with either or and wherever life takes me. I am happily Married now and envy you guys and all your years together. I just plan to take a day and a week and a month at a time..... Maybe with some luck we can make it a long time too. smile.gif
Congrats and best of luck to you joerod. Thanks for the suggestion both of you. I will have a look to see if something new is out.
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

Congrats to you William. I need a 3D capable splitter for my setup. Has someone come out with one that works?
Congrats and best of luck to you joerod. Thanks for the suggestion both of you. I will have a look to see if something new is out.

Yea joe I envy the 11.2 but the 3009 is so awesome as it and not wanting to take a loss ill just have to suffer. Watched Battleshhip also the other night and you are right it was awesome.

My 1x2 splitter came from monoprice I believe and I think it is 3d compliant. Was not expensive. Carries 1080/24 through the darblett and no issues.

Joe you are right just one day at a time and it is fum having a lot of people get awestruck with our systems.
post #437 of 902
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

Congrats to you William. I need a 3D capable splitter for my setup. Has someone come out with one that works?

I don't have personal experience with any of these but there's always mono price

http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=HDMI+splitter
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Thanks guys. Don't know why I did not think to check on these splitters here of late since surely something has to work by now. Duh. I snagged up a unit on the big river to arrive here tomorrow along with my 818 so hopefully I will be a happy camper. I will let you guys know how that works out in case any 3009 owners are interested. Thanks again.
post #439 of 902
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

Thanks guys. Don't know why I did not think to check on these splitters here of late since surely something has to work by now. Duh. I snagged up a unit on the big river to arrive here tomorrow along with my 818 so hopefully I will be a happy camper. I will let you guys know how that works out in case any 3009 owners are interested. Thanks again.

Good luck with your 818.

I compared both the 818 and the 3009 before I made my buying decision.
The 3009 just offered so much more than the lowly 818 and the great closeout price
that OneCall was offering, for the 3009, sealed the deal for me.

No way that I could ever be satisfied with the lesser 818.
For me it's all or nothing.

The 3009 absolutely ROCKS!!! smile.gif
The 818 not so much...
post #440 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

Thanks guys. Don't know why I did not think to check on these splitters here of late since surely something has to work by now. Duh. I snagged up a unit on the big river to arrive here tomorrow along with my 818 so hopefully I will be a happy camper. I will let you guys know how that works out in case any 3009 owners are interested. Thanks again.

Good luck with your 818.

I compared both the 818 and the 3009 before I made my buying decision.
The 3009 just offered so much more than the lowly 818 and the great closeout price
that OneCall was offering, for the 3009, sealed the deal for me.

No way that I could ever be satisfied with the lesser 818.
For me it's all or nothing.

The 3009 absolutely ROCKS!!! smile.gif
The 818 not so much...

+111111

butter and jelly please.
post #441 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Good luck with your 818.
I compared both the 818 and the 3009 before I made my buying decision.
The 3009 just offered so much more than the lowly 818 and the great closeout price
that OneCall was offering, for the 3009, sealed the deal for me.
No way that I could ever be satisfied with the lesser 818.
For me it's all or nothing.
The 3009 absolutely ROCKS!!! smile.gif
The 818 not so much...

+++2 for me. I had a right decision when I ordered it from OneCall last week and I really rocks.
post #442 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Good luck with your 818.
I compared both the 818 and the 3009 before I made my buying decision.
The 3009 just offered so much more than the lowly 818 and the great closeout price
that OneCall was offering, for the 3009, sealed the deal for me.
No way that I could ever be satisfied with the lesser 818.
For me it's all or nothing.
The 3009 absolutely ROCKS!!! smile.gif
The 818 not so much...
I believe you are full of the koolaid my friend. I am glad you are happy with the 3009 but to say things like "the lowly 818" and "For me it is all or nothing" kind of exposes you. The 818 is far from lowly in the line and the 3009 was never at the top of the line. So how do you justify all or nothing or lowly 818? What did you have before the 3009? Have you had a 809 or 818 such that you can make those statements? No way you could ever be satisfied with a 818 lol. I will leave you guys alone now and I am glad you like your AVRs.
post #443 of 902
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Originally Posted by Don Draper View Post

I posted this in the 818 thread - but thought it would be interesting to here from 3009 owners on this. I currently own both but just took delivery of the 3009.
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My first impressions of 3009 vs 818 are not good (favor goes to the 818) as I have been unable to make it out of the set-up stage with a satisfactory sub integration results.
1st thought , those harping on the 818 not having sub EQ HT - I believe its not all its cracked up to be and may prove probematic with some set-ups.
I run dual subs in 2 configurations (still cant decide which I prefer)
1. 1/4 & 1/4 at front wall (s1)
2. 1/4 front wall and 1/2 back wall. (s2)
When I first got the 818 it nailed s2 with only a 3 position calibration. I later switched to s1 and results were satisfactory as well. I was not completely satisfied with either (are we ever?) and got caught up into maybe sub ht is the ticket.
On the 3009, so far I have ran the three different 8 position calibrations on s2 and the results are horrible. Huge nulls! Tonight I will run a Y corded calibration on s2 (off 1 sub channell) and I suspect it with calibrate properly - if it does then there are some short comings with sub eq HT. I have a feeling there may be phase issues , as I notice you cant set independent phase on the subs. I suspect the software is using the distance to compensate which can lead to certain FR issues. When I Y cord I manually select a reverse phase on the rear sub.
I will also try sub HT on s1 and report my findings.
Other than that, compared to the 818, the GUI on the 3009 is painfull (painfull to navigate and painfull to look at). But I prefer my video calibration results with the 3009 so far and not having to OB the heights is another plus as well.
Any thoughts?

Hello,
I own a TX-NR3008 and could not be happier with XT32 in tandem with SubEQ HT. I am not sure whether it has anything to do with using two Sealed Subwoofers (Martin Logan Descent i & Martin Logan Depth), but I had been using MultEQ XT for 4 years prior and was quite impressed at just how much of a positive difference it made.

SubEQ HT is heavily based off the critically acclaimed SVS's AS EQ-1 that has since been discontinued. It is been heavily speculated that a primary factor was just how similar the two are. Perhaps my situation using two quite similar in design Subwoofers (Descent i uses three 10" Woofers & Depth uses three 8" Woofers), but the results have been overwhelmingly positive.

Hopefully, you will find a way to get a positive result as the 3009 offers a far stouter Amplifier Stage. I do not love having to get both Subwoofers to 75db's before moving forward to the rest of Audyssey, but the juice has been decidedly worth the squeeze for me.
Cheers,
AD
post #444 of 902
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

I believe you are full of the koolaid my friend. I am glad you are happy with the 3009...

Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.

But I can understand your furstrations with being stuck with a 818.
Especially, when in the back of your mind, you know that you could of had the superior 3009.
But hey, life is full of compromises.

I hope you have fun with your 818, as best you can.
Don't forget to come back and visit us, here in the 3009 owners thread.

We like to keep track of our "little brothers." biggrin.gif
post #445 of 902
Anybody know how to get the 3009 to output 720P? My TV (57" Mitsu DLP) is supposedly 1080P, but it's never been able to accept a 1080P signal. I've had it 5 years and have tried dozens of hdmi cables, a half dozen source components, and three receivers. Pretty sure it's a glitch in the tv. When it gets a 1080P signal, the picture blinks on and off. I've never really cared, I've always just set the receiver to output 720P.

I just installed my new 3009. Can't figure out where to set it for 720P output. Don't really want to buy a new TV right now....

Can anyone help?
post #446 of 902
What about 1080i?

I had a SXRD Sony that could do 1080p internally but only accept 1080i
post #447 of 902
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Originally Posted by naamanf View Post

What about 1080i?
I had a SXRD Sony that could do 1080p internally but only accept 1080i

My point is I can't find out how to get the receiver to output ANYTHING other than 1080P. Page 48 of the manual states you can manually set the output to 480P 720P 1080P etc. BUT it doesn't tell you where to go in the menu to select your desired resolution!!!!!


Help!!!
post #448 of 902
The resolution settings are under "input/output assign" page 48 in the manual
post #449 of 902
Hit Set Up on te remote then te first option Monitor Out. You have resolution options right there. Also, under Set Up you can fine tune it under Source. There you can set picture adjustments as well as resolution. smile.gif
post #450 of 902
Does anyone hear a pop out of their speakers when switching listening modes. Also I hear white noise coming out of all my speakers only when an input signal is received. The white noise gets louder on different listening modes. Is this normal? I previoulsy had an 876 and no white noise issues or popping between listening modes. Is this just par for this model or could there be something wrong with my unit. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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