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post #481 of 902
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

I don't think anything that doesn't allow the user to see the FR graph before and after the processing occurs, not to mention not being able to tweak any of the settings

After tweaking the settings on my 3009, it now sounds even better than before. cool.gif
post #482 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

After tweaking the settings on my 3009, it now sounds even better than before. cool.gif
Doth thou know what FR graph and settings I speak of?
post #483 of 902
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

Doth thou know what FR graph and settings I speak of?

Nope

But I do know that Audyssey did a masterful job of calibrating my system.

I have to admit, that I was skeptical about what Audyssey could do.
But after getting my 3009 and running the full 8 postion calibration,
I was blown away with the results!

NOTE: *After running Audyssey, be sure to go into the menu and turn off
all that unnecessary digital signal processing crap (see my earlier post)
and your good to go.
post #484 of 902
If you really want to get a system dialed in then simply turning that off won't do it. Audyssey does a few things really well but still has its limitations. Combine that with the fact that you must be an audyssy pro installer to actually make any real changes and there are definitely better options for those interested and willing to put in that extra effort. For 90-95% of people who use audyssy what it does is enough, but for people like myself who really want to get the most out of their system audyssy just won't do it.

But you're enjoying it so that's what counts.
post #485 of 902
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

But you're enjoying it so that's what counts.

It is definitely a case where most don't know what they are missing unit they actually find out smile.gif
post #486 of 902
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

If you really want to get a system dialed in then simply turning that off won't do it. Audyssey does a few things really well but still has its limitations. Combine that with the fact that you must be an audyssy pro installer to actually make any real changes and there are definitely better options for those interested and willing to put in that extra effort. For 90-95% of people who use audyssy what it does is enough, but for people like myself who really want to get the most out of their system audyssy just won't do it.
But you're enjoying it so that's what counts.

So without going into it too much as I realise there must be so much to do...

After running Audyssey and it sounds good. What else should one do?

I upped the volume of the centre, turn off the processing...

What other things are good to do?
post #487 of 902
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Originally Posted by davehhh1 View Post

So without going into it too much as I realise there must be so much to do...
After running Audyssey and it sounds good. What else should one do?
I upped the volume of the centre, turn off the processing...
What other things are good to do?

For you? Nothing just enjoy.
post #488 of 902
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If you really want to get a system dialed in then simply turning that off won't do it. Audyssey does a few things really well but still has its limitations. Combine that with the fact that you must be an audyssy pro installer to actually make any real changes and there are definitely better options for those interested and willing to put in that extra effort. For 90-95% of people who use audyssy what it does is enough, but for people like myself who really want to get the most out of their system audyssy just won't do it.

But you're enjoying it so that's what counts.
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It is definitely a case where most don't know what they are missing unit they actually find out

Any perceived sonic improvements, from further "tinkering", will be highly subjective.

In the meantime...

Everything sounds "just right" and having a quad subwoofer setup, is the icing on the cake!
I find myself sampling scenes on blu-ray, with lots of bass content, instead of watching
flicks all the way through.

Scenes from movies like Flight of the Phoenix, Underworld: Awakening, X-Men: First Class
and Super 8, are now just a total "blast" (pun intended) to experience on blu-ray.

I love it when the windows rattle, my room shakes and you can "feel" waves of bass energy,
roll across the room. I can never get enough good quality, tight and solid bass.

My 3009 is sooooo awesome!!!
post #489 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Any perceived sonic improvements, from further "tinkering", will be highly subjective.

Says the guy who doesn't know what an FR graph is. If the results are measurable then it's more than subjective and the results are measurable. Audyssey is arguably not even the best RC software out there. In fact, in a blind test against other brands and against no RC it didn't rate very highly at all. This test was performed by Sean Olive (you may or may not know who that is, but is highly respected in the audio world) and it, fairly convincingly, showed that audyssey isn't necessarily the best option and the results are more than subjective. Like I said before, audyssey is great software and does some things really well, but it isn't perfect. It will get you 75-95% of the way there, depending on your system, room, and mic placements (probably other factors as well) but will not give the flattest possible response for every person in every situation. I'm really into this hobby and I want whatever that last bit is for me. I have other reasons as well that all have to do with learning more and educating myself, but the easiest to explain is I know it can be better so I'm going to try and get it. The sound will probably be better subjectively and it will more than likely objectively measure better as well.

It's kind of silly and a bit naive to not know what a frequency response graph is, but claim that any improvements from what you have would be subjective. I'm not trying to insult you, but saying things that are blatantly contrary to fact I can't let slip on by.

With that I bid this thread adieu biggrin.gif
post #490 of 902
Thinking of picking up this model to replace my 3007 that just came back from a warranty repair. Is the 3009 a worthwhile upgrade? Thanx.
post #491 of 902
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Originally Posted by Turboo2u View Post

Thinking of picking up this model to replace my 3007 that just came back from a warranty repair. Is the 3009 a worthwhile upgrade? Thanx.

You should get it while it still available on the market. from OneCall.com.
post #492 of 902
I mixed the microphones Audyssey and now do not know which is the 3009. I wonder then if the microphone 3009 is this here?

post #493 of 902
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

Says the guy who doesn't know what an FR graph is. If the results are measurable then it's more than subjective and the results are measurable. Audyssey is arguably not even the best RC software out there. In fact, in a blind test against other brands and against no RC it didn't rate very highly at all. This test was performed by Sean Olive (you may or may not know who that is, but is highly respected in the audio world) and it, fairly convincingly, showed that audyssey isn't necessarily the best option and the results are more than subjective. Like I said before, audyssey is great software and does some things really well, but it isn't perfect. It will get you 75-95% of the way there, depending on your system, room, and mic placements (probably other factors as well) but will not give the flattest possible response for every person in every situation. I'm really into this hobby and I want whatever that last bit is for me. I have other reasons as well that all have to do with learning more and educating myself, but the easiest to explain is I know it can be better so I'm going to try and get it. The sound will probably be better subjectively and it will more than likely objectively measure better as well.
It's kind of silly and a bit naive to not know what a frequency response graph is, but claim that any improvements from what you have would be subjective. I'm not trying to insult you, but saying things that are blatantly contrary to fact I can't let slip on by.
With that I bid this thread adieu biggrin.gif

I've been away from AVS for so long I forgot my user name and password. Never stopped prowling over the years , but since I have been back it didn't take me long to know what a close minded newb he is, his utter lack of credibilty, and his gross fanboyism. If I have to hear about his 4 subs one more time ..yeeesh!

Its good he is comfy with his system, and thinks it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what we should all strive for; however, its the perfect picture of the ignorance is bliss argument. But for us that know better, we will continually be damned by knowing that better can be had. Thats what makes this hobby so much fun. -the chase, not the kill.
post #494 of 902
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Originally Posted by Don Draper View Post

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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

Says the guy who doesn't know what an FR graph is. If the results are measurable then it's more than subjective and the results are measurable. Audyssey is arguably not even the best RC software out there. In fact, in a blind test against other brands and against no RC it didn't rate very highly at all. This test was performed by Sean Olive (you may or may not know who that is, but is highly respected in the audio world) and it, fairly convincingly, showed that audyssey isn't necessarily the best option and the results are more than subjective. Like I said before, audyssey is great software and does some things really well, but it isn't perfect. It will get you 75-95% of the way there, depending on your system, room, and mic placements (probably other factors as well) but will not give the flattest possible response for every person in every situation. I'm really into this hobby and I want whatever that last bit is for me. I have other reasons as well that all have to do with learning more and educating myself, but the easiest to explain is I know it can be better so I'm going to try and get it. The sound will probably be better subjectively and it will more than likely objectively measure better as well.
It's kind of silly and a bit naive to not know what a frequency response graph is, but claim that any improvements from what you have would be subjective. I'm not trying to insult you, but saying things that are blatantly contrary to fact I can't let slip on by.
With that I bid this thread adieu biggrin.gif

I've been away from AVS for so long I forgot my user name and password. Never stopped prowling over the years , but since I have been back it didn't take me long to know what a close minded newb he is, his utter lack of credibilty, and his gross fanboyism. If I have to hear about his 4 subs one more time ..yeeesh!

Its good he is comfy with his system, and thinks it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what we should all strive for; however, its the perfect picture of the ignorance is bliss argument. But for us that know better, we will continually be damned by knowing that better can be had. Thats what makes this hobby so much fun. -the chase, not the kill.

Some of us don't have chase money, so we kill what we can and don't go hungry. biggrin.gif

butter and jelly please.
post #495 of 902
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Originally Posted by pukemon View Post

Some of us don't have chase money, so we kill what we can and don't go hungry. biggrin.gif
butter and jelly please.

It has nothing to do with money. Its all relative.

Plus the last time I checked open-mindedness was free.
Edited by Don Draper - 9/9/12 at 6:45pm
post #496 of 902
So I eat my own words, but I thought I'd pop in to say thanks Don smile.gif
post #497 of 902
What in the world is going on here???? There appears to be a disturbance in the force.
post #498 of 902
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Originally Posted by Turboo2u View Post

Thinking of picking up this model to replace my 3007 that just came back from a warranty repair. Is the 3009 a worthwhile upgrade? Thanx.

The 3009 is still available at OneCall for $1,399.89.
I got it back in July for $1,319.89.
post #499 of 902
coolcat: your microphone Audyssey is silver like the one I posted earlier?
post #500 of 902
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Originally Posted by apelbaum View Post

coolcat: your microphone Audyssey is silver like the one I posted earlier?

yes

How did you get your mics mixed up?
post #501 of 902
my onkyo was for repair and returned when the technician did not know what was on my receiver.
yes, here in my country it is somewhat common.
otherwise the receiver is now perfect and working fine.
he was no sound in the center channel and had replaced two cards (PCI-HDMI, PCI-DAC)
post #502 of 902
The Fry's in Houston, TX on highway 59 still has a 3009 on demo for $999. My visit got cut short so I wasn't able to ask if they would still order one new for that price but I am 99% sure they will let the demo go for $999 if anybody is in the Houston area and interested.

butter and jelly please.
post #503 of 902
Coolcat4843 (or anyone else that has a similar setup) - I have the 3009 and the following speakers:

Polk Audio Monitor 70 series II x 2
Polk Audio Monitor 40 series II x 4
Polk Audio CS2 Series II Center channel speaker
Polk Audio PSW505 x 2

When setting up with XT32 - what are your speakers setup as on the 3009? 40hz, 80hz? Do you need to set the HZ for the speakers before running XT32?

Also my speakers are showing up as 6 ohms - should't these be 8ohms? (3009 only lists options for 4 or 6 ohms)

What are your preferred settings when playing Blu Rays? Music?

TIA - lots of settings to learn :-)

Jim
post #504 of 902
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Originally Posted by jimmyk36 View Post

Coolcat4843 (or anyone else that has a similar setup) - I have the 3009 and the following speakers:

Polk Audio Monitor 70 series II x 2
Polk Audio Monitor 40 series II x 4
Polk Audio CS2 Series II Center channel speaker
Polk Audio PSW505 x 2

When setting up with XT32 - what are your speakers setup as on the 3009? 40hz, 80hz? Do you need to set the HZ for the speakers before running XT32?

Also my speakers are showing up as 6 ohms - should't these be 8ohms? (3009 only lists options for 4 or 6 ohms)

What are your preferred settings when playing Blu Rays? Music?

TIA - lots of settings to learn :-)

Jim

I have a similar setup. Audyssey sets my m70's up as 40 hz also, and I forgot what my cs2 was setup as but I changed all 3 to 80hz. Audyssey has a tendency to do this. My denon 1712 setup all 3 as 60hz with audyssey xt. Go figure. BTW, manually change the settings after audyssey configures the speakers.

Just make sure ohms is setup a 6. The 4 ohm setting I believe is to limit the current. A lot of avr's aren't setup optimally to run 4 ohm speakers and/or will run too hot.

And last, I usually use audyssey DSX for blue rays and DVDs. For music I usually use stereo, DSX or just straight. And for streaming movies I almost exclusively use thx cinema. I get the best surround and center channel dialog with thx cinema. If I use DSX or stereo, the center channel is lacking usually and I don't get the best imaging. Ymmv though. The thx cinema though is a strong recommendation for streaming though. I haven't got around to testing modes with dynamic eq of yet. I leave all other stuff alone.

butter and jelly please.
post #505 of 902
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Originally Posted by jimmyk36 View Post

Coolcat4843 (or anyone else that has a similar setup) - I have the 3009 and the following speakers:
Polk Audio Monitor 70 series II x 2
Polk Audio Monitor 40 series II x 4
Polk Audio CS2 Series II Center channel speaker
Polk Audio PSW505 x 2
When setting up with XT32 - what are your speakers setup as on the 3009? 40hz, 80hz? Do you need to set the HZ for the speakers before running XT32?
Also my speakers are showing up as 6 ohms - should't these be 8ohms? (3009 only lists options for 4 or 6 ohms)
What are your preferred settings when playing Blu Rays? Music?
TIA - lots of settings to learn :-)
Jim

You do not need to change anything before running Audyssey.
After running Audyssey, I noticed that it set my speakers to 40Hz.
So I went into the 3009's menu and changed the speakers to 80Hz (THX).

Here are the settings, IMHO, that produce the best results with both music and movies:

Audyssey Flat/Music Curve... "ON"
THX Cinema Mode... "ON"
THX Re-EQ... "ON"

THX Ultra2/Select2 Subwoofer... "NO"
THX BGC... "OFF"
THX Loudness Plus... "OFF"
Dolby Volume... "OFF"
Equalizer... "OFF"
Dynamic EQ... "OFF"
Dynamic Volume... "OFF"
post #506 of 902
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Originally Posted by Don Draper View Post

If I have to hear about his 4 subs one more time ..yeeesh!

In order to achieve smooth bass response in your HT, you need to run multiple subwoofers.

I couldn't resist. biggrin.gif
post #507 of 902
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

In order to achieve smooth bass response in your HT, you need to run multiple subwoofers.

Oversimplified
post #508 of 902
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

Oversimplified

Here you go...WHY YOU NEED FOUR SUBWOOFERS cool.gif
post #509 of 902
This article is somewhat lagging, because several theories exist for multi-sub applications.
Going for multi-subs you should rather look for infos on D(ouble) B(ass) A(rrays), the Harman study / paper by Todd Welti and Allan Devantier or the works of Earl R. Geddes and Floyd Toole etc.
Edited by gurkey - 9/12/12 at 5:47am
post #510 of 902
Sorry, double post.
Edited by gurkey - 9/12/12 at 5:45am
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