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12/30/12 at 12:59pm
Audyssey Neo - THX Cinema
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post #662 of 776
12/30/12 at 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by SEGSEG View Post

If the audio source is >=5.1, then I use a straight decode for movies. My system is 9.1 with heights and wides, but for movies I much prefer the straight decode over Neo:X or Audyssey.
On the other hand, for music listening with two channel audio sources I usually upmix; my strong preference is Neo:X over Audyssey.

Hmm I've never been a big fan of heights, I prefer rear surrounds since the extra two channels from 5 to 7 channels are always mixed as rear channels. If you watch any blu-rays that are mixed 6.1 or 7.1 you're depriving yourself of the actual channels. The height and wide channels are just matrixed sound. Personally I would do 7 channels and then add wides to get to 9. Then again perhaps I'm biased because that's what I did biggrin.gif
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post #663 of 776
12/31/12 at 11:19am
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Hmm I've never been a big fan of heights, I prefer rear surrounds since the extra two channels from 5 to 7 channels are always mixed as rear channels. If you watch any blu-rays that are mixed 6.1 or 7.1 you're depriving yourself of the actual channels. The height and wide channels are just matrixed sound. Personally I would do 7 channels and then add wides to get to 9. Then again perhaps I'm biased because that's what I did biggrin.gif

I would love to try, but my 3009 is in a room with no space for rear surrounds.frown.gif
So, when I watch movies mixed >=5.1, I just listen to 5.1.
At least with my setup, for movies I find Neo:X and Audyssey with heights and wides to be immediately fatiguing; in that context it's the wides that 'bug' me the most.

Having said that, I plan on grabbing an 'Expendables 2' bluray, just to check out the native Neo:X encoding.
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12/31/12 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

You could've really started things off by going first biggrin.gif

Ok,

My system sounds best for movies with these settings:

Audyssey: Music (Flat Curve)
Dynamic EQ: On
Reference Level: 5dB
THX Re-EQ: On
THX Ultra2/Select2 Subwoofer: On
THX 80Hz (All speaker crossovers)
THX Cinema listening mode

Everything else is turned off.

BTW: - I tried turning off THX Re-EQ and everything sounded thin and unnatural.
With it engaged everything sounded full bodied and natural.
Edited by coolcat4843 - 1/2/13 at 4:54am
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post #665 of 776
1/4/13 at 3:51am
I just wanted to ask fellow 3009 owners if there were any issues with playing movies at 24p, there seems to be a problem with the new Onkyo 818 receivers with the same video processor as the 3009, just thought I'd ask, appreciate any input, thanks.
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post #666 of 776
1/4/13 at 3:55am
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Originally Posted by TheaterChad View Post

I just wanted to ask fellow 3009 owners if there were any issues with playing movies at 24p, there seems to be a problem with the new Onkyo 818 receivers with the same video processor as the 3009, just thought I'd ask, appreciate any input, thanks.

None to me as a 3009 owner for a while, I have no problem when playing movies at 24p. That might be the problem from your blueray player???
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post #667 of 776
1/4/13 at 5:10am
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None to me as a 3009 owner for a while, I have no problem when playing movies at 24p. That might be the problem from your blueray player???

Nope, many in the 818 owners thread are having problems with the 818, as they are getting issues when using the 818 to do the video processing when playing back any material at 24p, if they use the sub out hdmi2, it by-passes the 818's vp and then uses what ever video device your using ( example blu-ray player ) then your using the blu-ray player to do the scaling. If everyone does not mind running everything at 1080/60 hrz, then everything looks fine, it's when trying to use the 818 to process 24p, then it shows some video abnormalities, some models it shows up easily, and some it's not there. Thanks for your input!

I've tried like 5 times to search for the 5009 owners thread, but can't seem to find it....
Edited by TheaterChad - 1/4/13 at 5:21am
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post #668 of 776
1/4/13 at 12:29pm
I've read in this forum about how the 3009 runs hot. I have about an inch of clearance above the unit, the sides and back are open. Do you think this will be a problem? I'm running external amps so it should not get that hot, right? It will arrive on Monday, just prepping everything for the delivery.
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post #669 of 776
1/4/13 at 1:07pm
Mine has 1 1/2" on top and 1/2" on either side with 9" clearance on the rear. If I leave my coolermaster pc fan off it gets hot (can't say if any hotter than my yamaha). With the external fan on it barely feels warm.

I'm guessing it'll get fairly warm?
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post #670 of 776
1/4/13 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

Do you have the Harmony software installed on a computer? If so I can walk you through the process.

I have a Harmony One and I can't figure out how to program it so that the buttons work for interNET.
I am guessing Logitech does not have the right commands. I have manually entered a few, but it is tiring.
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post #671 of 776
1/4/13 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by TheaterChad View Post

Nope, many in the 818 owners thread are having problems with the 818, as they are getting issues when using the 818 to do the video processing when playing back any material at 24p, if they use the sub out hdmi2, it by-passes the 818's vp and then uses what ever video device your using ( example blu-ray player ) then your using the blu-ray player to do the scaling. If everyone does not mind running everything at 1080/60 hrz, then everything looks fine, it's when trying to use the 818 to process 24p, then it shows some video abnormalities, some models it shows up easily, and some it's not there. Thanks for your input!
I've tried like 5 times to search for the 5009 owners thread, but can't seem to find it....


The ONLY way to really find this flaw is to put a VP in the chain. First hook your bluray player up to a VP ( Dvdo Edge ) and then into your display, the info will show you the input and output frame rate which is 23.976fps, and 59.97 for Comcast/directv. If you put the VP in the chain after the output of your Onkyo receiver you will see that the VP in the Onkyo is altering the signal, the dvdo edge will now display 24 and 60 fps. If you run the same test on the sub hdmi out of the Onkyo the dvdo edge info will show you the signal is now unaltered. If someone has a standalone VP please run this test and report it, thank you.
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post #672 of 776
1/4/13 at 9:34pm
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Originally Posted by SeekingNirvana View Post

I've read in this forum about how the 3009 runs hot. I have about an inch of clearance above the unit, the sides and back are open. Do you think this will be a problem? I'm running external amps so it should not get that hot, right? It will arrive on Monday, just prepping everything for the delivery.

As long as the sides and back are open the inch on the top shouldn't be a problem. It will run warm/hot. It doesn't matter if the amp section isn't being used, if you use the receiver for a few hours straight, then it should reach around 80-90 degrees F with an ambient room temp somewhere in the low to mid 70s. At least that's been my experience. If you use any of the amp channels, expect temps well above 100 and clicking noises (with no fan on top).

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I have a Harmony One and I can't figure out how to program it so that the buttons work for interNET.
I am guessing Logitech does not have the right commands. I have manually entered a few, but it is tiring.

I'm not really sure what you mean, could you give a little more of an explanation?
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post #673 of 776
1/4/13 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

The ONLY way to really find this flaw is to put a VP in the chain. First hook your bluray player up to a VP ( Dvdo Edge ) and then into your display, the info will show you the input and output frame rate which is 23.976fps, and 59.97 for Comcast/directv. If you put the VP in the chain after the output of your Onkyo receiver you will see that the VP in the Onkyo is altering the signal, the dvdo edge will now display 24 and 60 fps. If you run the same test on the sub hdmi out of the Onkyo the dvdo edge info will show you the signal is now unaltered. If someone has a standalone VP please run this test and report it, thank you.ll

Hi mike,
Thanks for your example, this is exactly what was done in the 818 owners thread, and it was reported to onkyo several times, supposedly they are working on a fix, but this was reported back in August and still no fix, which is my effort here in this thread, to ask if anyone with this receiver is having similar issues, I'm not here to ask how to test it, just trying to figure out how in the world we have an issue like this, when this model and the 818 are basically identical other than watts per channel.
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post #674 of 776
1/5/13 at 10:43am
Thanks for the info
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post #675 of 776
1/5/13 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by TheaterChad View Post

Hi mike,
Thanks for your example, this is exactly what was done in the 818 owners thread, and it was reported to onkyo several times, supposedly they are working on a fix, but this was reported back in August and still no fix, which is my effort here in this thread, to ask if anyone with this receiver is having similar issues, I'm not here to ask how to test it, just trying to figure out how in the world we have an issue like this, when this model and the 818 are basically identical other than watts per channel.

But to be clear, basically identical does not mean identical. There are about 20 differences, both hardware and software wise between the two and that's only comparing the specs and not getting down the actual components.

Based on what I'm seeing I think "similar" would be a much more accurate description of the two than "nearly identical". IMHO "nearly identical means far fewer than 20 differences, not all of which are inconsequential.
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post #676 of 776
1/5/13 at 3:55pm
Does anyone know if you can have more then one audyssey calibration? For example if I want to watch a movie I would calibrate it on my couch. Or for a party I would calibrate it in the middle of my room. Then could I switch between the two?
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post #677 of 776
1/5/13 at 4:21pm
I am not positive but I think you can only have one.
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post #678 of 776
1/6/13 at 7:10am
The owners manual of my Onkyo TX-NR3009 receiver is suggesting that if I have THX certified speakers,
that I should select 80Hz, for my low-pass filter for the LFE channel.

What are the pros and cons of doing that?
I use the THX Cinema listening mode to watch movies and have my speakers crossover set at 80Hz.
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post #679 of 776
1/6/13 at 7:18am
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

The owners manual of my Onkyo TX-NR3009 receiver is suggesting that if I have THX certified speakers,
that I should select 80Hz, for my low-pass filter for the LFE channel.
What are the pros and cons of doing that?
I use the THX Cinema listening mode to watch movies and have my speakers crossover set at 80Hz.

Are you sure it's low pass for LFE and not the crossover?

If it is low pass for LFE you're basically filtering out all LFE content to your subwoofer above 80Hz.
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post #680 of 776
1/6/13 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

But to be clear, basically identical does not mean identical. There are about 20 differences, both hardware and software wise between the two and that's only comparing the specs and not getting down the actual components.
Based on what I'm seeing I think "similar" would be a much more accurate description of the two than "nearly identical". IMHO "nearly identical means far fewer than 20 differences, not all of which are inconsequential.

I'm sorry, you must have mistaken my post, I don't think my post was was a trick question, for you to attack my specifics in my post was adolescent at best, your efforts could have been made better by posting something positive like specific facts, well, I guess I can help you out since it was too difficult for you:

If you Google, and searched for specific facts, and you will find that the TX-NR818, TX-NR-3009, and the 5009 models were all made with the HQV Vida VHD 1900 Video Processor, which basically or specifically puts these models video processing specifically identical.

My question was very relevelant with efforts to Onkyo on building a support mechanism of what Onkyo models may or may not be effected, with the same video processor, with help to a resolution.

I came here in a positive / peaceful way, and posted a very, very basic question here if anyone had any issues with 24p playback, a simple yes or no was all that was asked.
Edited by TheaterChad - 1/6/13 at 2:20pm
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post #681 of 776
1/6/13 at 1:37pm
It is a shame most. People on this fourm are willing to be helpfull and courteous but a few rude and offensive looking to belittle and argue. It is a shame a simple question about another product from the same mfg as the 3009 withe the same vid processor sand your right a simple yes or no would have been sufficient .
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post #682 of 776
1/6/13 at 1:46pm
My post was no attack, merely clarifying what you had said. If you took it that way than I apologize, but I will say that you shouldn't be so sensitive to immediately jump on the "I'm going to tell on you" mentality. That's about as "adolescent" as we can get IMHO.

Perhaps if you had made a more even handed reply and not been.......well, reacted as you did and asked for more clarification you would have seen that and this would have been a more pleasant exchange.

Feel free to report me to a mod. I stand by my behavior, not because I'm some arrogant narcissist, but because I won't apologize or feel bad for your misinterpretation of my comment and your subsequent over reaction.

Chad, William, have a terrific evening or day wherever you are smile.gif
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post #683 of 776
1/6/13 at 2:01pm
Fuzz:
No apology needed, I just asked a very basic question to if this has been happening, just a Yes or No, and for me to find a reply about how exactly specific is being exact , hit me with surprise, like, come on, I know u can reply to the question better than that....

No, no need to contact anyone, I'm sure your a very cool guy here, I really ( really ) hate seeing those types of replys, where my post did not need to be exactly specific on any specifics.... No harm done....

Whats really more frustrating, is that a big bunch of us bought the 818, and it's not displaying 24p correctly, and many questions are being asked, does this exist in the 3009, 5009, 3010, 5010, etc...Buying new receivers and this stuff not working right out of the box, and being something serious like this, has been very frustrating to say the least.......

So I thought the only way is to ask, and gather input here. Thanks, I do appreciate any info and feedback from everyone!
Edited by TheaterChad - 1/6/13 at 2:23pm
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post #684 of 776
1/6/13 at 2:17pm
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Fuzz:
No apology needed, I asked a very basic question to if this has been happening, just a Yes or No, and to find a reply about how exactly specific, hit me with surprise....

No, no need to contact anyone, I'm sure your a very cool guy here, I really hate seeing that, where my post did not need to be exactly specific.... No harm done....

Whats really more frustrating, is that a big bunch of us bought the 818, and it's not displaying 24p correctly, and many questions are being asked, does this exist in the 3009, 5009, 3010, 5010, etc...Buying new receivers and this stuff not working right out of the box, and being something serious like this, is very frustrating to say the least.......

So the only way is to ask, and gather input. Thanks, I do appreciate any info and feedback from everyone!

I appreciate the reply. See, my post wasn't even aimed at you, it just struck me funny to hear it said that they were basically identical. You're not the only one to say that and it just bugs me because they aren't, they're very similar though. There are many differences between the two and the 3009 falls somewhere between the 818 and 3010. As I mentioned also, some of the differences aren't small or at least may not be small to some people trying to decide between the two. Some are small, but I do think that using terminology like "identical" even with the word "basically" in front of it may confuse some potential buyers who are deciding between the two so I was just trying to make sure anyone who is looking at the two knows they are similar, but there are a fair amount of differences as well.

Cheers. smile.gif
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post #685 of 776
1/6/13 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

My post was no attack, merely clarifying what you had said. If you took it that way than I apologize, but I will say that you shouldn't be so sensitive to immediately jump on the "I'm going to tell on you" mentality. That's about as "adolescent" as we can get IMHO.
Perhaps if you had made a more even handed reply and not been.......well, reacted as you did and asked for more clarification you would have seen that and this would have been a more pleasant exchange.
Feel free to report me to a mod. I stand by my behavior, not because I'm some arrogant narcissist, but because I won't apologize or feel bad for your misinterpretation of my comment and your subsequent over reaction.
Chad, William, have a terrific evening or day wherever you are smile.gif

Yeah you have a nice one too. Guys like you always do and one was talking about moderator or apologies . None would be expected from you.
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post #686 of 776
1/6/13 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Yeah you have a nice one too. Guys like you always do and one was talking about moderator or apologies . None would be expected from you.

Ok,I'll kindly let you have the last word
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post #687 of 776
1/6/13 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by TheaterChad View Post

I'm sorry, you must have mistaken my post, I don't think my post was was a trick question, for you to attack my specifics in my post was adolescent at best, your efforts could have been made better by posting something positive like specific facts, well, I guess I can help you out since it was too difficult for you:
If you Google, and searched for specific facts, and you will find that the TX-NR818, TX-NR-3009, and the 5009 models were all made with the HQV Vida VHD 1900 Video Processor, which basically or specifically puts these models video processing specifically identical.

My question was very relevelant with efforts to Onkyo on building a support mechanism of what Onkyo models may or may not be effected, with the same video processor, with help to a resolution.

I came here in a positive / peaceful way, and posted a very, very basic question here if anyone had any issues with 24p playback, a simple yes or no was all that was asked.

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Originally Posted by TheaterChad View Post

Fuzz:
No apology needed, I just asked a very basic question to if this has been happening, just a Yes or No, and for me to find a reply about how exactly specific is being exact , hit me with surprise, like, come on, I know u can reply to the question better than that....
No, no need to contact anyone, I'm sure your a very cool guy here, I really ( really ) hate seeing those types of replys, where my post did not need to be exactly specific on any specifics.... No harm done....
Whats really more frustrating, is that a big bunch of us bought the 818, and it's not displaying 24p correctly, and many questions are being asked, does this exist in the 3009, 5009, 3010, 5010, etc...Buying new receivers and this stuff not working right out of the box, and being something serious like this, has been very frustrating to say the least.......
So I thought the only way is to ask, and gather input here. Thanks, I do appreciate any info and feedback from everyone!

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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Yeah you have a nice one too. Guys like you always do and one was talking about moderator or apologies . None would be expected from you.

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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Ok,I'll kindly let you have the last word

If you look at the bottom of the posts I've quoted of Chad's, you'll notice they say edited. So before you shoot your mouth off, get your facts straight. So my last word to you is suck it biggrin.gif
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1/6/13 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

If you look at the bottom of the posts I've quoted of Chad's, you'll notice they say edited. So before you shoot your mouth off, get your facts straight. So my last word to you is suck it biggrin.gif

Real class act dude
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1/7/13 at 12:10am
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Real class act dude
Well, what did you expect? Haven't you read his sig? "Pacem para bellum" smile.gif
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1/7/13 at 3:58am
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Well, what did you expect? Haven't you read his sig? "Pacem para bellum" smile.gif

Lol
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