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post #751 of 902
This is a great read with lots of informative hints and tips, thanks to all. I have been really pleased with my 3009 until the past week.

I am noticing a lot of hiss with blu rays. Also some frequencies sound really bad. For example playing the new Bioshock game any electrical interference sounded terrible. Now I know electrical interference should sound terrible, but it was not a true replication of how it should sound. This was coming from all speakers and headphones.

I am also noticing quite loud static pops and crackles when rewinding or fast forwarding blu rays. Also whilst watching sky and other sources I get a lot of static pops and clicks.

Basically is this normal or do I have a duff one?
post #752 of 902
Sounds like increased treble frequencies to me.
Anything changed ?
post #753 of 902
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Sounds like increased treble frequencies to me.
Anything changed ?

Thanks for the help. What do you suggest to fix it? I thought xt32 would sort an issue like that.

I have got new speakers at the front, but to be honest I did notice it with my last speakers. Really that was the reason I replace them to see if it would improve the situation. It is the fact that I hear it with the headphones that worries me most.

My only caveat is that maybe it is just that the amp is just pulling out the issues in the source material. 300 is the blu ray I have watched that seems to have the most crackles and hisses.
post #754 of 902
Many "idiosyncracies" of the sound within a room are a result of a non favorable Audyssey measurement process. It looks to me, as if the the high frequencies have been absorbed by something in the vicinity of the mike during measurement thus causing Audyssey to raise the higher frequencies by changing its filter response accordingly.
Did you follow the Audyssey Setup Guide in post 1 of the general Audyssey thread ?
post #755 of 902
I haven't. I have a very high backed sofa in the middle of the room, so when I have placed the mike for measurements 4-8 they are behind the sofa and the sofa will be between the mike and the front speakers. No one sits back there as there is nowhere to sit. Maybe I should just run all 8 measurements in front of the sofa?

Thanks again for taking the time to help with this issue. I have contemplate sending the amp back. I already had to get rid of a 1007 due to the faulty HDMI board. I don't want to be without an amp for 6 months again!
post #756 of 902
Before i start to re-invent everything let me guide you to the Audyssey Setup Guide mentioned http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1
They did a great job there.

It is no good to sit (and measure) behind something, which is in the way between the listener and the speakers.
Just go over the setup of your room to look for a better suited listening position if possible.

1st step: read the guide
2nd step: go over your own setup and correct whatever possible (speaker placement, seating positions etc.)
3rd step: measure according to the guidelines
Your listening experience should improve quite a lot.
post #757 of 902
Again, many thanks. I have read the guide and will attempt to recalibrate over the weekend.

I shall report back on how it goes. Have a wonderful day, you deserve it.
post #758 of 902
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post #759 of 902
This is a followup to the messages I posted in March, related to the issue of distorted audio in certain soundfield modes when listening to a turntable connected to the Phono input.

I provided the same data to Onkyo, which I posted in this thread in the earlier emails. After about a month, an Onkyo engineer called me to confirm that my analysis was correct. He confirmed that the audio is distorted when the source is analog through the Phono input and certain multi-channel soundfields are selected. He stated that the distortion was due to the way the decoding circuits function when processing these signals.

He indicated that Onkyo will consider disabling certain soundfield choices when Phono is selected.

Art
post #760 of 902
Hi gang ... couldn't find an official 5009 thread so I'm posting here. I was hoping for opinions. I have a 905 which I love but there's a place by me where I can land an open box 5009 for $900, practically new, with full warranty. You think it's worth the upgrade? I'm psyched about the xt-32.
post #761 of 902
Despite my findings regarding distorted soundfields in phono mode, I am certainly enjoying my 3009. If you are confident of the condition and the validity of the warranty coverage, then buying a 5009 for under $1000.00 is a great find. The receivers are physically large and very heavy - be sure you have a place for it before you buy. It takes up even more space with the HDMI cables sticking out the back, if you are placing it in a cabinet with a closed back - also be sure adequate ventilation is available.
post #762 of 902
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Originally Posted by dondino View Post

Hi gang ... couldn't find an official 5009 thread so I'm posting here. I was hoping for opinions. I have a 905 which I love but there's a place by me where I can land an open box 5009 for $900, practically new, with full warranty. You think it's worth the upgrade? I'm psyched about the xt-32.

Without a doubt and without hesitation. wink.gif
post #763 of 902
I've had my NR3009 for about a year now. I've always had the Audyssey Multi EQ XT32 enabled for movies and 2 channel music (USB) but found it not to be ideal for 2.1 or 2.0 music (stereo, direct and pure audio modes). Last night I was playing with the settings and discovered that the Audyssey correction makes the speakers overly bright so I started playing around. I found some settings that allow you to select different settings for the same source and listening mode. They are called listening modes. There isn't an easy way to get to them other than to go to the home menu and select Sound Program from the Audio menu. I wish there was a quick button.

I was wondering if anyone had any experience with their Audyssey and audio tweaking on their NR3009/NR5009???
post #764 of 902
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Originally Posted by climber07 View Post

I was wondering if anyone had any experience with their Audyssey and audio tweaking on their NR3009/NR5009???


I have made some notes in post 556, but they may not be the type of thing you are looking for. Mostly, I focused on comparing DSX to Neo:X for upscaling 2-channel music sources. However, you might find some notes of interest. I did not like the results of using MultEQ XT32, so I turned it off and set-up the audio the old fashioned way (tape measure and sound pressure meter). Probably, my being so underwhelmed with Audyssey was partially related to the limitations inherent in my room configuration--and part may be that I screwed-up the procedure somehow, but I was very careful. I will re-attempt calibration with MultEQ XT32 someday, when I get around to it.

Here's the post
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1370048/the-official-onkyo-tx-nr3009-owners-thread/540#post_22493229
post #765 of 902
So I snagged that demo 5009 and so far so good. The remote they gave me is actually a remote from the 5010 but is almost identical and seems to work. I am wondering about the mic that was included. It was new in a little box that says Audyssey microphone and the model is listed as ACH1HB. Is this the mic you guys got with your 3009?

Thanks!
post #766 of 902
The mic that came with mine is gray & the part# on the box is ACM1H
post #767 of 902
I got the later one - ACM1H - with my 3009 originally, silver colored, which is identical to the one supplied with the 5009.
post #768 of 902
Sigh - I suspect that since I got the remote from a 5010, I probably also got the mic from the 5010. Now my mic is black which could be the "b" at the end of my model number. I wonder if they're functionally the same.
post #769 of 902
Because i got several AVRs using Audyssey mikes I will check if they all are of the same type...
post #770 of 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEGSEG View Post

I have made some notes in post 556, but they may not be the type of thing you are looking for. Mostly, I focused on comparing DSX to Neo:X for upscaling 2-channel music sources. However, you might find some notes of interest. I did not like the results of using MultEQ XT32, so I turned it off and set-up the audio the old fashioned way (tape measure and sound pressure meter). Probably, my being so underwhelmed with Audyssey was partially related to the limitations inherent in my room configuration--and part may be that I screwed-up the procedure somehow, but I was very careful. I will re-attempt calibration with MultEQ XT32 someday, when I get around to it.

Here's the post
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1370048/the-official-onkyo-tx-nr3009-owners-thread/540#post_22493229

Thanks for the info. That's a really detailed post. I installed my second subwoofer and ran Audyssey again. Everything seems good and I have disabled the Audyssey, Dynamic EQ, Dynamic Volume, and music optimizer for my two channel inputs, USB, and NET. Those are the ones I listen to music on.

Thanks again.
post #771 of 902
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Originally Posted by climber07 View Post

Thanks for the info. That's a really detailed post. I installed my second subwoofer and ran Audyssey again. Everything seems good and I have disabled the Audyssey, Dynamic EQ, Dynamic Volume, and music optimizer for my two channel inputs, USB, and NET. Those are the ones I listen to music on.

Thanks again.

I'm not surprised to hear that people are underwhelmed with Audyssey. When it comes to RC there are definitely better options, and more often than not room treatments and good speakers will trump Audyssey most of the time IMHO of course. I used XT32 and didn't like it. Measured the system response before and after Audyssey and was again underwhelmed with what I saw and heard.

I just haven't had time, but I downloaded the trial version of Dirac and I can't wait to give it a spin. It's supposed to be head and shoulders above any commercial offerings in receivers.
post #772 of 902
Does anyone know at what volume level the 3009 starts to clip? The reason I'm asking is the other day I was playing Pink Floyed "comfortably numb" at +15 and there was absolutely no signs of distortion. I felt I could go to max volume with no clipping. My trim is set to -12 right now due to the fact that my speakers are 100db sensitive and I'm using emotiva XPA 1's to power them. I'm in the process of getting some signal attenuators to get my trim closer to 0db. Could this be why there was no distortion at +15?
post #773 of 902
Well, if you are powering the speakers with the Emotiva, the 3009 will not clip...

But if the 3009 was poweringthe speakers, clipping is when the amplifier cannot provide the power the speakers require at a specific volume... This varies on every speaker depending on impedance and efficiency and the electrical/mechanical characteristics of the drivers... Usually 4-ohm speakers will clip earlier than 8-ohm speakers because they will draw more current. You cannot specifically say that all speakers will clip at 0-db on the volume control.

But if you are driving the speakers to +15 on the volume control, that is dang loud... I drove my Onkyos usually to a max of -15 with Polk LSi15s, and they are not easy to drive. Maybe you should have your ears checked out.
post #774 of 902
Yes it was pretty dang loud, but it sounded dang good too. It wasn't so loud that it hurt though. Like I said my trim levels are set to -12 now so I'm thinking this is why I can go so loud. After I get the signal attentuators it should drop the main volume by 12db from where it is now.

Thanks for answering my question about clipping. I wasn't sure if there was a signal that would clip with out a amplifier.
post #775 of 902
Well, Im bumming. All of a sudden I am getting sound from my sources but no picture. Yes Ive switched cables around, and bought new cables. When I go direct from PS3 to TV, I have picture. So, after several reboots, it started working again. Worked for a couple days then crashed again. I am especially sad because I have a house sitter while Im out of town for a month who mainly wanted to stay at my place because of my nice Home Theater. frown.gif

Anyone else having an issue. I think Im still under warranty but hoping I dont have to deal with that hassle. Hoping it is some update glitch or something. Please tell me that is it! smile.gif Meanwhile my 15 yr old Yamaha keeps on ticking in room number 2.
post #776 of 902
Look in your setup menu and see if "Network" is greeted out. If it is it is a telltale sign that the HDMI Board may be the culprit. If that is what it is, at least it is under warranty and an easy fix. If you have a local authorized repair center just take it in with your original receipt, piece of cake.
post #777 of 902
Thanks I will check that. Unfortunately I wont be home for a few more weeks! Watch my warranty run out before then!
post #778 of 902
Onkyo has been a standup company with this issue and fixing the HDMI Boards on receivers well out of warranty. So, don't worry.
post #779 of 902
Thread Starter 
I have a question or three for the readers here. I admit in advance that I haven't done a lot of search and even less experimenting. I figured I would ask the knowledgable denizens of this forum first.

On the 3009 there is an IR in and out plug.
1. Does the IR received on the front of the unit get re-transmitted on the IR out line (or is it just a loop for the in plug?).
2. What is the wiring standard on those plugs and specifically does anyone know if you can plug the "out" into a Xantech block?

Thanks!


Nevermind.

pg 75 of the TX-NR3009 manual specifically answers my questions. I was being super lazy. rolleyes.gif
Edited by pjneder - 7/9/13 at 6:15am
post #780 of 902
I know people have mentioned this unit getting hot. I have had mine for over a year it was always hot but today after being on a couple of hours it started to make noises like the fans engaging . Now in UK the last few days it has been very hot. Has my Unit got a sensor on board that caused the fans to go faster and more noisier? Normally it is quiet running but with the fans on it was loud like a PC desktop. Is this normal? After powering down off of the mains the noise went but came back after five minutes. Must be the fans right? As I said it's been so hot weather wise last few days.
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