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post #1 of 16
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Hi,
This my first post here. I just purchased my first projector (ae7000). I am in the process of building my home theater. I was all set to built a laminate sheet but today I set up my projector and shined it on my unfinished sheet wall. I got to say that it looked petty dang good to me (besides the screws and seems). I'm thinking now I want to try a paint mix. I want to do pretty much the whole wall so that I can very screen size. I will use curtains to cover sides not really going to worry about the top and bottom right now, will built some kind of masking later. The useable space on the projection wall will be 12' or so. Would like to do screen as large as possible after what I seen today. I will have a throw around 17'. What is the best option as far as paint mixes for mixed 2d and 3d view? Would like to have enough gain for good 3d and so I can run lamp at lower brightness in 2d. I also will have dark wall and ceilings and no windows.

Thanks for any help
Billy
post #2 of 16
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forgot to mention I allready have a wagner hvlp sprayer.
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forgot to mention I allready have a wagner hvlp sprayer.

Well then...keep it simple for now and try Sherwin Williams Pro Classic Extra White Flat Interior Enamel over two rolled on coats of Zinnser Bullseye 123 LATEX Primer applied with a 1/4" Nap Pro Quility Roller.
(....you might want to very lightly sand the 2nd coat of Primer though...)

With that as a starting point you'll be free to explore other options if you care to...yet the SWPCEWFE will provide ypu with an excellect, color neutral, 1.2 gain smooth surface.

BTW...welone to AVS' DIY Screen Forum!
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Well then...keep it simple for now and try Sherwin Williams Pro Classic Extra White Flat Interior Enamel over two rolled on coats of Zinnser Bullseye 123 LATEX Primer applied with a 1/4" Nap Pro Quility Roller.
(....you might want to very lightly sand the 2nd coat of Primer though...)

With that as a starting point you'll be free to explore other options if you care to...yet the SWPCEWFE will provide ypu with an excellect, color neutral, 1.2 gain smooth surface.

BTW...welone to AVS' DIY Screen Forum!

As much as I like simple do you not think that I would benefit from one of the more advance mixes? Or are you saying that I need SWPCEWFE for a good base over the dry wall to start with anyway. You know if I do simple I will think man this looks good but what if?

Thanks
Billy
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As much as I like simple do you not think that I would benefit from one of the more advance mixes? Or are you saying that I need SWPCEWFE for a good base over the dry wall to start with anyway. You know if I do simple I will think man this looks good but what if?

Thanks
Billy

Billy,

That's my own brand of reasoning, and weighs heavily in the decisions I make when choosing a particular screen for someone out in the real world. I reason that if I pull out all stops every time and do the most optimal application possible for a given circumstance, ain't gonna be no regrets or "maybe if's".

Ya know...I've been trying to push that agenda in DIY Screen making for a long time...though not stating it so bluntly. Leastwise not for awhile now. It was, has been, and remains the driving factor in the advances I and others are responsible for.

But your right as rain...the "second guessing...that'll happen for certain. Mostly my suggestion was based on a couple factors, the primary one being you wish (intention) to paint the entire wall. Secondly, knowing that any eventual PJ upgrade would far outdistance the Sansung, it did seem justifiable to advise the use of a well recieved White paint, to allow for any future screen surface upgrade specifically ideal for the eventual PJ upgrade.
Thirdly (.....is that even a word?) since 3D requires additional gain, that "Simple" olution would not work against the means to an end of keeping 3D imagery fairly dynamic and bright.

But after reading your remarks, and looking more closely at the performance specs of the Samsung, it bacame apparent that I sorta underplayed things.

We'll just chalk that up to trying to give "Simple" it's due and leave it at that.

So heres a "Best Choice" suggestion.

Silver Fire v2.5 - 2.0

That SF Formula will go some distance in improving the perceived "off the screen" Contrast of the Samsung, yet still have a slightly higher gain than the SWPCEWFIE. I"Interior"

You'll have to spray it on though, to avoid the almost certain to show up roller marks. One just might get away with applying the 2.0 by expertly using a 1/4" Roller on a 110" diagonal ultra smooth surface...but across an entire wall? Well that's stretching my own "advisory" luck a bit far.

The challenges involved in painting the entire wall by spraying are maintaining a consistant speed & distance acroos such a span, as well as maintaining a precise amount of overlap on top of each preceeding row.

By doing at least the first 4 Coats via the Duster Method, it's not what I'd say is a hard do....just one you must focus on maintaning consistancy. Fortunately though, the very act of Dusting on the coats allows for some leeway in error-induced uneveness.. It's infinitely easier to correct a weakly applied area o9n the next pass...or coat, than it is a "too heavy" solid stripe that results for going too slow, and/or getting too close.

So now, here is the second best choice...a "I'm nervous about spraying an entire wall" consideration. RS-MaxxMudd LL (Low Lumen) It's also Contrast enhancing, and of fairly high gain...but it's far more Roller friendly. It does lack the "mo bedder" levels of contrast enhancement that comes with the SF's perponderance of Silver Metallic and SF Colorant additions, but it's also the Grandfather of SF...and most other such types of metallic infussed paints. It's no slouch, and still a very viable choice.

If you decide to attempt "Advanced" you can count on our help and guidence where / when you need it...so take some degree off assurance in that.
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

Billy,

That's my own brand of reasoning, and weighs heavily in the decisions I make when choosing a particular screen for someone out in the real world. I reason that if I pull out all stops every time and do the most optimal application possible for a given circumstance, ain't gonna be no regrets or "maybe if's".

Ya know...I've been trying to push that agenda in DIY Screen making for a long time...though not stating it so bluntly. Leastwise not for awhile now. It was, has been, and remains the driving factor in the advances I and others are responsible for.

But your right as rain...the "second guessing...that'll happen for certain. Mostly my suggestion was based on a couple factors, the primary one being you wish (intention) to paint the entire wall. Secondly, knowing that any eventual PJ upgrade would far outdistance the Sansung, it did seem justifiable to advise the use of a well recieved White paint, to allow for any future screen surface upgrade specifically ideal for the eventual PJ upgrade.
Thirdly (.....is that even a word?) since 3D requires additional gain, that "Simple" olution would not work against the means to an end of keeping 3D imagery fairly dynamic and bright.

But after reading your remarks, and looking more closely at the performance specs of the Samsung, it bacame apparent that I sorta underplayed things.

We'll just chalk that up to trying to give "Simple" it's due and leave it at that.

So heres a "Best Choice" suggestion.

Silver Fire v2.5 - 2.0

That SF Formula will go some distance in improving the perceived "off the screen" Contrast of the Samsung, yet still have a slightly higher gain than the SWPCEWFIE. I"Interior"

You'll have to spray it on though, to avoid the almost certain to show up roller marks. One just might get away with applying the 2.0 by expertly using a 1/4" Roller on a 110" diagonal ultra smooth surface...but across an entire wall? Well that's stretching my own "advisory" luck a bit far.

The challenges involved in painting the entire wall by spraying are maintaining a consistant speed & distance acroos such a span, as well as maintaining a precise amount of overlap on top of each preceeding row.

By doing at least the first 4 Coats via the Duster Method, it's not what I'd say is a hard do....just one you must focus on maintaning consistancy. Fortunately though, the very act of Dusting on the coats allows for some leeway in error-induced uneveness.. It's infinitely easier to correct a weakly applied area o9n the next pass...or coat, than it is a "too heavy" solid stripe that results for going too slow, and/or getting too close.

So now, here is the second best choice...a "I'm nervous about spraying an entire wall" consideration. RS-MaxxMudd LL (Low Lumen) It's also Contrast enhancing, and of fairly high gain...but it's far more Roller friendly. It does lack the "mo bedder" levels of contrast enhancement that comes with the SF's perponderance of Silver Metallic and SF Colorant additions, but it's also the Grandfather of SF...and most other such types of metallic infussed paints. It's no slouch, and still a very viable choice.

If you decide to attempt "Advanced" you can count on our help and guidence where / when you need it...so take some degree off assurance in that.

MM,
Man I don't know what you do for a day job but you would make one heck some of sorta of philosophical writer (think thats the right term). In other words its hard for this country boy to keep up with you sometimes.

If you think the SF mix is the best option, that is what I will do. I'm not scared . As far as painting the complete wall, there will be about 2' feet on both side that will be cover with curtains. Do I still need bullseye and the SWPCEWFE for a base for the SF? I also have another problem, as I told you I had full intentions of do a laminate screen when I hung the dry wall on the projection wall .Now that I decided to go this way I wish that I had done i done it differently. (see image) Do you think that it would be worth my time to take it down and hang a full piece in the center?

On a side note how far are you from West Memphis? I spend several weeks this summer about 8 mile from there on the Mississippi river levee baling hay. Rolled about 3000 4x5 that are in Texas now feeding somebody's hungry cows.


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The wall looks straight...but iffin' ya wanna do it rightly, using a piece of 1/4" x 5' x 10' sheet of Sintra cut to size and mounted then sprayed will both eliminate the need to redo the Drywall, and provide you with a guar-ron-teed smooth surface to accept the SF. You also could omit the need for primer if the Sintra Sheet is pristine clean...or be cleaned off to achieve such a state.

Otherwise, all you need prior to applying the SF onto Drywall is the Primer...done rightly and smooth.


BTW, eventually I'm a'gonna tell ya to paint the underside of that Fur Down a dark, non-reflective color....so expect that and Steel your Wool.

Philosophical, eh? I've been called worse...but not all that often complimented so nicely. Thanks for that!

I live 30 minutes from W.Memphis, in Marshal County, Mississippi....just below Collierville, TN.

Damn...I could've used some of that hay.
post #8 of 16
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MM,
Im thinking your right. Sintra was the way I had first decided to anyway, but I changed my mind about as many times on the screen as I did on the projector (that was ALOT). IF I go sintra I can back light it and I really like the looks of the 110" floating sintra screen that you posted here. Do you know a place I can get a 5x10 piece of sintra in W.Memphis or there abouts? I got to go over that way a pick up one of my tractors in the next week or so.

If you need hay next year let me know and I will hook you up. I know I am go to cut and bale at least 5 1/2 miles of levee next year.

Thanks,
Billy
post #9 of 16
Do you know a place I can get a 5x10 piece of sintra in W.Memphis or there abouts?

i just confirmed with my local substrate supplier that they carry laminator inc (aluminum laminated pvc) in stock at 6.5' x 10'. actual size is 79" x 120".

it's too bad they don't come in at 6.5' x 12'... so i could have my 165" incher,
post #10 of 16
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Do you know a place I can get a 5x10 piece of sintra in W.Memphis or there abouts?

i just confirmed with my local substrate supplier that they carry laminator inc (aluminum laminated pvc) in stock at 6.5' x 10'. actual size is 79" x 120".

it's too bad they don't come in at 6.5' x 12'... so i could have my 165" incher,

Where your local substate supplier?
post #11 of 16
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Where your local substate supplier?

Sorry I couldn't respond quicker before you got "PB'd"

Forget about Laminate...it's not going to be priced rightly.

Besides, I have a wholesale source in Memphis (Piedmont Plastics) where I get all my stock, and they can let me order for PU in any of their locations across the US.

Besides all that....I still need some hay!
post #12 of 16
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Sorry I couldn't respond quicker before you got "PB'd"

Forget about Laminate...it's not going to be priced rightly.

Besides, I have a wholesale source in Memphis (Piedmont Plastics) where I get all my stock, and they can let me order for PU in any of their locations across the US.

Besides all that....I still need some hay!

MM,
Would it be possible to just pick up a 5 x 10 sheet while I'm over there? Do they keep it in stock?

Sorry about the hay but I am completely out. This is one of those year that I could sell 10,000 bales if I had it.

Here is a pic of my room. Got first coat of mud on about 12:00 last nite.
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post #13 of 16
Absolutely. You will need to call me and arrange the wholesale PU. Besides...I need to always check stock.
What's ur time frame?

Kiddin' 'bout the Hay. Hooked up for now...but interested in late summer fer shur!
post #14 of 16
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MM,
It's looking like it will be the week after Thanksgiving before I have time to get over that way. As you can see by the pic of my I am still a little ways from paint a screen just yet. After I get dry wall finish my wife wants the fiber optic stars in the ceiling. Don't have any idea what kind of job that is going to be but hand placing 600 fiber optics in a ceiling don't sound like a 30 min job

Just let me know next summer on the hay and I will cut you a deal
post #15 of 16
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MM,
It's looking like it will be the week after Thanksgiving before I have time to get over that way. As you can see by the pic of my I am still a little ways from paint a screen just yet.

Ok...I'll have them check stock 1st of the week and let you know.

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After I get dry wall finish my wife wants the fiber optic stars in the ceiling. Don't have any idea what kind of job that is going to be but hand placing 600 fiber optics in a ceiling don't sound like a 30 min job

Just let me know next summer on the hay and I will cut you a deal

I'll appreciate that. 80 bales will do it.

Now then.....doing a Fiber Optic system? Well first you have to place your Star Pattern up and drill all 600 of those 1mm holes with a 1mm Wire Bit that is very easy to break. I have experience and I'll go through 4-5 bits on a 1200 point Star Field. You have time to order a spare Pkg of Bits and I strongly advise that you do so.

Pushing the Fibers through the Holes....
Steel your wool...and stock up on Ben Gay, because Brother....It can be backbreaking work, especially if you must stoop over up in an attic.

Also. get yourself some X2 Magnifying Glasses (Reading type) because seeing where you must be pushing a 1mm Optic Fiber though a 1mm hole ain't easy for anybody..........
post #16 of 16
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Ok...I'll have them check stock 1st of the week and let you know.



I'll appreciate that. 80 bales will do it.

Now then.....doing a Fiber Optic system? Well first you have to place your Star Pattern up and drill all 600 of those 1mm holes with a 1mm Wire Bit that is very easy to break. I have experience and I'll go through 4-5 bits on a 1200 point Star Field. You have time to order a spare Pkg of Bits and I strongly advise that you do so.

Pushing the Fibers through the Holes....
Steel your wool...and stock up on Ben Gay, because Brother....It can be backbreaking work, especially if you must stoop over up in an attic.

Also. get yourself some X2 Magnifying Glasses (Reading type) because seeing where you must be pushing a 1mm Optic Fiber though a 1mm hole ain't easy for anybody..........

MM,
Sure appreciate the help on ever thing. I will remember to save you 80 bales next summer.

Yeah, 600 holes all the same size that would be way to easy. She wants the kit with three different size stars

Steel your wool..............Thats funny I don't care who you are.
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