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post #151 of 401
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Thanks for the insight Patrick. I won't be leaving them on unless we are using them, which is rarely since it's only for trips, so I don't think the rust will be a problem. I can always just replace the U-bolts if necessary. They were only about $1.50 each.
post #152 of 401
The roof rack looks good.

You could cut the u-bolts leaving enough thread to accept acorn nuts.

Then the cut end will be capped with a galvanized nut leaving no raw steel exposed. I'd use loc-tite on the acorn nuts.

Hit the square tube with a few coats of quality paint. You can get square plastic caps to snap into the ends of the tubes.

Dam# you stay busy....
post #153 of 401
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Thanks Pete! Those acorn nuts look like they will be perfect. Great idea! That might even look nice enough for me to just leave them on all the time. And since then everything would either be painted or covered I don't think rust would be a problem.
post #154 of 401
I had a roof rack of similar design at one point and had to tape over the ends of the tubing so that it wouldn't sing at highway speeds! By now you probably know if that is a problem or not.
post #155 of 401
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Originally Posted by Nick in Manitou View Post

I had a roof rack of similar design at one point and had to tape over the ends of the tubing so that it wouldn't sing at highway speeds! By now you probably know if that is a problem or not.

I can tell you that I'm going 75 right now (Not driving of course. Updating the thread and driving would be bad. ) and I don't notice any whistling. I'm still going to cover the openings though to make it look nice and prevent anything from getting inside.

Thanks for stopping by Nick!
post #156 of 401
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14 hours and two "Five Hour Energies" later and I'm back!!!

And guess what? I was visited by the theater progress fairies!!









That's right everyone, the drywall taping and mudding is finished!

It turns out our friend came over while we were away and got it all done. He said that it only took him one day since he used quickset joint compound for the first two coats and then skimmed everything with the 24 hour stuff to finish it off. I owe him lots of free movies when this whole thing is over!!

So tomorrow will be sanding and then I get to use the new paint gun! Yippee!
post #157 of 401
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14 hours and two "Five Hour Energies" later and I'm back!!!

And guess what? I was visited by the theater progress fairies!!

That's right everyone, the drywall taping and mudding is finished!

It turns out our friend came over while we were away and got it all done. He said that it only took him one day since he used quickset joint compound for the first two coats and then skimmed everything with the 24 hour stuff to finish it off. I owe him lots of free movies when this whole thing is over!!

So tomorrow will be sanding and then I get to use the new paint gun! Yippee!

You lucky sob...I wish I had a friend who could do that! Looks great.
post #158 of 401
^^^^No doubt! I did not have any fairies visit my theater while I was a way or to busy to work on construction. Very nice to have friends like that. You definitely do owe him front row seats to several movies.

Looks good.


One caution with the sprayer though. I would actually "practice" with it first before you get down to the "nitty gritty" actually spraying the room. There is a learning curve with it to be sure.

I hope you had a great vacation.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #159 of 401
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Thanks guys. It certainly is nice to have friends like that who are willing to volunteer their time to help out. It's a huge boost for me since the finishing would have taken me forever if I did it all. When I did the drywall in the basement bathroom I'd spend hours on just a few seams. Not to mention all of the corners in the theater due to the soffits.

Thanks for the insight on the spray gun practice RTROSE. I haven't had a chance to try it yet but I will be sure to grab some scrap cardboard or drywall and spend some time getting to know how to use it properly.

The vacation was nice. The weather was pretty good and I had a couple days with a steady wind so that I could throw the kites up in the air. Plus I got a killer deal on a new parafoil that's really nice. I also got to go to the aquarium which is always fun.
post #160 of 401
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Alright so the sanding is done and now it's time to start painting!

I need some advice on the chair rail height. I think that the recommendation is 1/3 of the ceiling height up from the floor? But since the chair rail will be under the soffits if I do 1/3 the height to the soffit it is too low and looks strange. Should I do 1/3 the height to the full ceiling even though its under the soffits? Or something else entirely?

Those of you that have done chair rail, what did you do?
post #161 of 401
You could do one of two things. You could actually get a chair and see were the back hits the wall and go with that, or take a piece of chair rail and hold it and see where it "looks" right.

However I think the industry standard is somewhere around 32 to 40 inches from the floor. If you want real world application I could measure mine and let you know where it is.

Regards,

RTROSE

EDIT: I measured my chair rail and the TOP of the chair rail is 39" from the floor/carpet. If that helps any.
post #162 of 401
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Thanks a ton RT!

I'm thinking that I'll put the top of the chair rail at 36" since my ceilings are so short. I'll make that final decision tomorrow when I start painting the actual colors. Today I finished priming everything.
post #163 of 401
Waiting on paint pics here.....come on Austin, I'm living vicariously through you rather than working on my own room
post #164 of 401
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I wish I could post pics of the room painted but I can't because.......it isn't!!!

Things have been pretty hectic this last week and unfortunately will remain that way for a little while as AP exams approach. I'm also in a completely student run musical theater group and we have a show coming up at the end of May-"The Producers". I'm the lead set designer, builder, and technical director (no surprise considering what I do in my free time ) so there's lots of things to do there. I'm hoping to make progress on the theater between all of these things. I'm getting so close!

I did work on the dead vent for the room's return and managed to get that close to completion. When I went to install the fan, the duct that goes through the drywall on the side of the dead vent was very tight in the hole. As a result, when the fan was on, it vibrated the whole structure and produced a very annoying buzzing sound. So I have to cut the hole a little bigger and then suspend the fan and duct with some wires to "float" it inside. I'll have some pics once it's all completed.

I also managed to get the first coat of black on the screen wall and ceiling. This is the "Mouse Ears" color by Behr.



To prove that I haven't just been sitting around all week, here's some pictures of what I have been working on.











This is for the electrathon club at my school. Electrathon is an "electric marathon" in which the winner is the vehicle that can travel the farthest distance in one hour. The car frame is all welded tube steel and it runs on two car batteries. It uses BMX bike tires and has an electric motor which allows it to reach a top speed of about 55 mph. It goes without saying that it's incredibly fun to drive around. The other black car that you see behind it is another one that we have been working on as well.

We've been working on it for a couple of months and our first race is supposed to be tomorrow, but unfortunately the weather doesn't look good as it is supposed to rain. I've got my fingers crossed though!

So if we have the race tomorrow then Saturday will have no theater progress. If it's canceled then I'll work on finishing up the dead vent and painting. Then Sunday I've got to meet with the director of "The Producers" and then make a Home Depot run to buy materials for the set, so this weekend potentially won't have much progress in the basement-sorry guys.
post #165 of 401
Do your parents know you're hanging out with a bunch of old farts on the internet? Do your parents know that you're making a lot of us look like lazy bums?
post #166 of 401
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Haha Pete! My mom knows about "the forum". She seems to think that the fact that I talk to all of you on here makes this whole project more legit. She's always telling people, "he's on this forum with a bunch of guys who build home theaters so they help each other out and give advice."
post #167 of 401
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Well the race was canceled ....... but that meant lots of theater progress!

I got the dead vent finished and the room painted (I'll do a post later tonight with a description and pictures) but right now I need some advice.

The painting was going great until the red. I've come to the conclusion that there must be something wrong with the paint. Even after two coats it dries very blotchy, almost like lots of little bumps and if you look closely at it you can see the white of the primer. In addition to this, even after drying all night it still felt tacky in the morning.

It's a Glidden paint in eggshell finish. What's really strange is that the gray color on the bottom of the walls and the soffits is also a Glidden paint (although in their Martha Stewart line) and it covered beautifully in only two coats. The gray and red are actually the same base with different pigments.

I just put on a third coat and will let it dry to see what happens but I'm not optimistic.

So what should I do now? Take it back and get my money back then re-prime and try again? I really like the color so should I try the Glidden again and hope that the one I have now is just a bad batch? I also thought about having them color match the little paint swatch and then get it in a different brand like Behr which also covered beautifully on the screen wall and ceiling.

Any advice that you guys may have would be appreciated.
post #168 of 401
Since no one else has responded yet, I'll jump in with my limited experience.

In our experience with using red paint, it can take a number of coats to get it looking right. It looks good when it is done, but can take a little extra work getting there.

I'm no expert, but we have ended up with four coats of red on a smooth plaster wall...and they were applied by someone we knew that actually knew what he was doing!

That said, if the paint is not drying as you expect, I would get in touch with the store and see if there have been any other complaints about this color recently. There may be a bad batch of base or colorant going around.

The store might also hear what your concerns are and quickly realize what the problem is and get things straightened out.

Good luck!
post #169 of 401
I may just be the quality of the paint. I've painted more than I care to remember, but in my experience Glidden was the worst paint.

Granted it's probably been about 20 years since I've used Glidden (tells you something about how bad it was).

Behr is pretty decent. Sherwin Williams is better than Behr. Benjamin Moore is the best paint I've used.

It took 3 coats of Benjamin Moore red to paint my living room from a white base. You may want to try one more coat. If it doesn't cover, your idea of switching to Behr is a good one.

You're prep and technique is fine; more likely the paint is at fault.

Tim
post #170 of 401
Search gray primer for red paints. There have been many discussions here on how using a dark gray primer prevents having so many coats of red paint. Sherwin Williams recommends this too.
post #171 of 401
^^^I sure there is a scientific explanation but I have always had a harder time painting with reds/darker colors. Light colors cover better with two coats darker colors typically for me take three or more coats of paint. I would say that if you don't get the results you're after with four coats, would be a good time to look at other options.

I have had good luck with Sherwin Willimas and Lowes paints, I have even used Dutch Boy from Menards as well. I can tell you that the quality of paint matters. Behr comes highly recommended. Don't know much about Glidden.

The race car looks pretty cool if you ask me. Something that low to the ground going 55mph would feel like 100!

Glad your mom is on board with all of us "old farts" besides this forum is my "Facebook", now if only Mrs. RTROSE would get on board with my AVS addiction.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #172 of 401
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Gray Primer-Doh!-I should have known! Well now I'll be prepared for next time I guess.

I just finished the fourth coat and it finally looks like it's covering nicely so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I will probably have to pick up another quart to have enough to do a fifth coat. I'm still a little worried about the tackiness when dry but I'll give it a few days and the reevaluate.

Thanks for all of your responses guys!
post #173 of 401
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Sweet ride!!
post #174 of 401
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Well this weekend was supposed to have almost zero progress but it ended up being one of my best yet!

I tackled the painting and then worked on the dead vent in between drying coats and ended up getting a ton done. Here we go.....

Let's start with the dead vent:

I built a simple frame that would sit in the corner outside the theater next to the bump out for the projector box. The dimensions were 20" x 30". You'll also notice in this picture the drywall that was put up on the outside of the theater walls.



Then I covered the top and the side next to the foundation with double drywall and green glue. I put one layer on the back that attaches to the theater wall since the drywall that is already up will act as the second layer. Then I slid it into place and secured it to the theater wall. I ran the flex duct through it and then filled the cavity with insulation. So.....much...insulation......



Then I covered the remaining side with double drywall and green glue.



You'll notice in those last pictures the fan that draws air out of the theater. Here is a close up.



It is an 8" inline fan that I got at Home Depot for about $30. I don't know how long it will last but it has been working great so far. I thought I might as well try it first since other fans (such as ones by fantech) can get pretty expensive. It is suspended by the wires which are used for drop ceilings to "float" it inside the hole where the duct enters the dead vent to prevent the vibrations from making an annoying buzzing sound. The gap between the duct and the drywall is sealed with caulk to prevent any sound leakage. The fan is controlled in the room by a dial commonly used for ceiling fans. I've got to pick up a cover for the junction box next time I'm at Home Depot.

Now onto the fun stuff!









I've got a painted room!!

I started with the black on the screen wall and ceiling and did three coats. Then I moved onto the gray for the bottom of the walls and soffits. That only took two coats. Next was the red which after four coats is finally looking good, but I'm thinking that I will do a fifth to finish it off.

I must say that I am VERY happy with my color choices. I always knew that I wanted to do dark red walls and a black ceiling but it wasn't until I saw some other theaters on here (RTROSE and azula) that I decided a two tone wall with chair rail would look even better. I really couldn't be happier with it.

So my list of things to do looks something like this:

-Door jamb extensions
-Add MDF to door
-Paint door
-Paint entrance hallway
-Baseboards, chair rail, crown molding
-Laminate Screen Build
-Install lights, outlets, switches, and A/V wallplates
-Carpet
-Shelving in equipment closet
-Install and connect projector, speakers, bass shakers, sources
-Watch movies!

I've also got to do a drop ceiling in the hallway and baseboards in the basement bedroom but my goal is to get the theater area finished so that I can work on those things during the day and then watch movies at night. I've got to leave for college at the end of August so my time is ticking away!

This week is going to be devoted to set building for the musical but I'm hoping to get most of that done so that i can tackle more theater stuff over the weekend.

Thanks guys!!
post #175 of 401
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Originally Posted by RTROSE View Post

^^^I sure there is a scientific explanation but I have always had a harder time painting with reds/darker colors. Light colors cover better with two coats darker colors typically for me take three or more coats of paint. I would say that if you don't get the results you're after with four coats, would be a good time to look at other options.

I have had good luck with Sherwin Willimas and Lowes paints, I have even used Dutch Boy from Menards as well. I can tell you that the quality of paint matters. Behr comes highly recommended. Don't know much about Glidden.

The race car looks pretty cool if you ask me. Something that low to the ground going 55mph would feel like 100!

Glad your mom is on board with all of us "old farts" besides this forum is my "Facebook", now if only Mrs. RTROSE would get on board with my AVS addiction.

Regards,

RTROSE

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Sweet ride!!

Thanks guys!

The car is awesome and I have really enjoyed working on it since it has given me the opportunity to learn some new skills (like welding) that I wouldn't have a chance to do otherwise.

You're absolutely right about the speed RTROSE. Remember that low riding exotic car from azula's thread? Well this is it's young child!
post #176 of 401
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It is an 8" inline fan that I got at Home Depot for about $30. I don't know how long it will last but it has been working great so far. I thought I might as well try it first since other fans (such as ones by fantech) can get pretty expensive. It is suspended by the wires which are used for drop ceilings to "float" it inside the hole where the duct enters the dead vent to prevent the vibrations from making an annoying buzzing sound.

Looking good!

FWIW, you should have an electrical box mounted directly onto the fan. Mount a 4"x2" (trade name "handy box") directly on the fan with some screws. The Black/white/green wires will enter through the bottom of the box using a connector (I would use a plastic one versus the NM connectors you have).

Also, if you look on the bottom right of the 4" square box you used, there is a threaded hole. That hole is for a ground screw. You can buy the green ones or use a 10/32 screw.

Tim
post #177 of 401
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Looking good!

FWIW, you should have an electrical box mounted directly onto the fan. Mount a 4"x2" (trade name "handy box") directly on the fan with some screws. The Black/white/green wires will enter through the bottom of the box using a connector (I would use a plastic one versus the NM connectors you have).

Also, if you look on the bottom right of the 4" square box you used, there is a threaded hole. That hole is for a ground screw. You can buy the green ones or use a 10/32 screw.

Tim

Thanks for the advice Tim! I will definitely pick up those materials and do that.
post #178 of 401
The red looks really nice in the pics. I just want to throw out there that I had really good luck with the Behr Ultra Premium + Primer. The mouse ears went on in one coat. I also recommend the Sure Line 3/8s nap roller covers, They seem to pick up more than paint than other and the Behr paint was thicker than others that I used. The red went on really nice. However, I should mention that I did have a gray primer on the walls and one crappy coat of red (different brand).
post #179 of 401
I like the idea of the inline fan being easily accessible. Looks like it is in an area where you are not going to be concerned with the fan noise. Will be interested to hear your impressions on the air movement you are getting and the noise you get from the fan.
post #180 of 401
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Thanks Tom. I noticed that the Behr was a little thicker as well. I definitely prefer it over the Glidden.

Vanice;

It is very nice to have the fan be easily accessible. It's located in the adjacent storage space.

I have been impressed with it so far. It has been running on high since Saturday to cycle some air through to hopefully aid the paint in drying. I can only faintly hear it when I stand in the open doorway so once I get that all closed up it should disappear.

The real test will be once I get the door sealed and I have a chance to test out how air tight my room really is. If I did everything correctly then the only place for air to enter the room will be through the other unpowered dead vent under the stairs. So ideally the airflow coming through there should be almost the same as what the fan is pulling from the room.
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