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post #811 of 1090
My apologies if this is not the correct forum, or if this has been answered 1000 times before, or if this simply is a dumb question.

I have a 720p 42PX80U and now a 55ST30. The 55ST30 looks good playing blurays on my ps3, or when watching netflix (via PS3 and ethernet cable), so I don't know if this is an issue with my 55ST30 per se.

My issue is with how my Shaw HD TV cable feed looks on my 55ST30. Fine details on faces for instance seem somewhat "smeared" and not sharp. Or when watching sports, the hockey players or soccer players don't look well defined. The problem seems to vary in severity depending on channel.

But, all channels did look quite clear on my 720p 42PX80U (even when looking quite closely at the screen). I recorded shows on my PVR that looked clear on my 42PX80U, and then I hooked up the same PVR (using the same HDMI cable from the PVR to TV) to the 55ST30, and the 55ST30 output was less detailed & more smeared for the same recorded programs.

My guess is that the 1080P 55ST30 simply shows deficiencies in the HD cable feed more than the 720P 42PX80U does. But possibly something else is at play.

Anyway, if anyone has any suggestions for resolving this, I'm all ears.

Thanks!
post #812 of 1090
I am finding it impossible to remove a magenta hue on my MJ 2.2 65vt30. I see it mostly in snow scenes. I have not found one single color adjustment that signifigantly effects this in any way. I have the pic very close to my kuro aside from this issue and slight details in dark areas as expected. Anyhelp is very appreciated.
post #813 of 1090
Hi, all.

I just bought a P42ST30 the other day. Based on the features and reviews, it seemed to be the best TV for that size and price, plus I've always liked what I've seen from plasma screens over LCDs when visiting friends & family (my parents have a Panasonic plasma and it's got a great picture). It's my very first HDTV (my other TV is a mid-90s 19" Toshiba), so I have little experience with settings & calibration. So, I was wanting to know if someone could offer some suggestions for settings to get a good picture. While I'd like to have the picture looking really nice, I'm not a super ultra videophile and I don't have time for a lot of complex, time-consuming calibration a la, D-Nice's settings (I read those take some 100 hours or more), so, is there anything a bit simpler that can be set up in one afternoon that still gets good, sharp picture quality and vivid, accurate colors? Also, any other recommend tips for that particular model?

Thanks in advance for your help.
post #814 of 1090
You could use the settings without doing the slides and adjust to your liking. It won't be exactly what others see after the slides but reasonably close.

You could also purchase some calibration discs ala HD DVE, Spears and Muncil, HD AVIA and do basic adjustments yourself. Basic means things like contrast, brightness, tint, sharpness. White balance adjustments aren't considered basic and require special equipment. Either use the TV defaults or use some other reputable source for these. Even better yet, consider getting a pro to calibrate your TV at some point.

I'd give you my settings but I have a GT30 and they wouldn't do you any good.


Welcome to AVS and enjoy your new TV!
post #815 of 1090
Thanks for the reply!

Does a calibration disc have to be used when the TV is brand new? I just blew all my discretionary income for the month to help pay for the TV (it took me months to save up for it), so I won't be able to get one right away.
post #816 of 1090
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gravemind80 View Post

Thanks for the reply!

Does a calibration disc have to be used when the TV is brand new? I just blew all my discretionary income for the month to help pay for the TV (it took me months to save up for it), so I won't be able to get one right away.

No, a calibration disc can be used anytime. If you do it before the first 100 to 200 hours you may have to re-calibrate tho.
post #817 of 1090
Thanks again.

I forgot to ask something else. While I understand that a lot of advances have been made to reduce burn-in issues, it can still be a problem. So, is there anything I should avoid watching for the first week or so (I do play a lot of video games and watch the news a lot), or will the built-in anti-IR features mentioned in the manual (pixel orbiter, side bar brightness, use of the scrolling bar thingy when necessary) be sufficient?

Well, that should be all I need help for. Sorry for all the questions.
post #818 of 1090
Quote:
Originally Posted by avsscientist View Post

I entered the settings but found it a bit too dark especially when gamma is switched to 2.4 from 2.2, I even bumped brightness to 66 suggested by a couple of sources on the web but the shadow details are still lost. Does anyone find the same? Any suggestions?

I noticed the slight loss in shadow details as well. Absent a pro calibration, that's the closest I could get it to look as under 2D. Can pros even calibrate a 3D picture??
post #819 of 1090
Just sharing my latest settings. These got me as close to my kuro as possible but with an LCD pop. These are by no means to be confused with professional settings provided by the very knowledgeable and helpful folks like Chadb and DNice.

This set is a bear to dial in and image retention is also horendous.

And I also have to point out that when there is daylight in the room, this set gets washed out twice as bad as my Kuro. I would have to say that the ambient filter is bar none the biggest performance gap when compared to a 9G Kuro.

Dnice settings are shown with my changes in bold. The bold entries are the actual entries and not added or subtrcted form the original values. I am sure many of the differences are due to panel differences and my taste for pop and exagerated colors

EPROM Updated MJ Series North American TC-P65VT30 Reference Settings

Picture
Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: 72 74
Brightness: 55 56
Color: 36 44
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0 24
Color Temp: Warm2 Normal
Photo Enhancement: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off

Pro Settings
Colorspace: Normal

These settings may seem onorthodox but they worked for me

W/B High R: 0
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B: 0
W/B Low R: 0
W/B Low G: 0
W/B Low B: 0

10 Point W/B
Actually ended changing a bunch of these due to severe red push
10 W/B R: -10
10 W/B G: 0
10 W/B B: -14
20 W/B R: 5 0
20 W/B G: 0
20 W/B B: 18
30 W/B R: 3 0
30 W/B G: 0
30 W/B B: 7
40 W/B R: 6 -2
40 W/B G: 0
40 W/B B: 13 +7
50 W/B R: 5 +1
50 W/B G: 0
50 W/B B: 18 +2
60 W/B R: 7 0
60 W/B G: 0
60 W/B B: 8
70 W/B R: 2 0
70 W/B G: 0
70 W/B B: 7 +4
80 W/B R: 6 -2
80 W/B G: 0
80 W/B B: 15 +5
90 W/B R: -1 0
90 W/B G: 0
90 W/B B: 6
100 W/B R: 3 0
100 W/B G: 0
100 W/B B: 9 +4

10 Point Gamma
I had serious issues with contrasty patches on peoples foreheads and such. These changes made a substantial difference on my particular display
10 Gain: -50 -40
20 Gain: -10 0
30 Gain: -3 0
40 Gain: -24 -6
50 Gain: -26 -12
60 Gain: -20 -2
70 Gain: -24 -2
80 Gain: -25 -2
90 Gain: -5 +9
100 Gain: 0 +13

CMS
R-Hue: 3 0
R-Sat: -3 0
R-Lum: 50 0
G-Hue: 7 +8
G-Sat: 14 +12
G-Lum: -49 -39
B-Hue: -13 -40
B-Sat: 22
B-Lum: 49 -40 [i]Yes thats negative 40[/I
]Y-Hue: -24 20
Y-Sat: 5
Y-Lum: -19 +14
C-Hue: 36
C-Sat: -14
C-Lum: -15
M-Hue: 16 +6
M-Sat: 7 0
M-Lum: 15 -20

Black Extension: 0
Gamma Adjustment: 2.2 2.4 for night mode
Panel Brightness: Mid
Contour Emphasis: Off
AGC: 0

HDMI Settings
***Leave all settings in this menu at their default***

Advance Picture
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off
Black Level: Light
3:2 PullDown: Auto
post #820 of 1090
Can I use this slides to break-in Samsung Plasma?
post #821 of 1090
Quote:
Originally Posted by V_Pl_a View Post

Can I use this slides to break-in Samsung Plasma?

No, your tv will catch on fire. Slides are quite combustible.

Of course you can or just use pixel flipper or just watch full screen content with no logos.
post #822 of 1090
Well I started slideshow on my TV. Between the slides, before the transition occurs, there is a flash of grey screen. Is this OK? Does this effect occur on panasonic TV?
post #823 of 1090
Yeah your TV is starting to catch on fire.
post #824 of 1090
FYI to those who have the A-Board swapped, when writing down your values before the swap, make sure you get the values for EACH color temperature. My new A board in a 55ST30 had different settings per color temp. I restored all my settings using the SD card dump/restore feature. My original settings seem to have been the same for each mode, but YMMV.

My installer, while a very nice guy didn't copy or restore the settings. I'm not even sure the instructions were included with the board he got from panny. I'm also glad I wrote down all my other settings as I had just tuned it the night before and the A swap nukes everything.
post #825 of 1090
Quote:
Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

If you are those in the camp that like extra pop and rich colors and dont appreciate that sometimes dim calibrated look. Please feel free to try my adjusted settings and let me know what you think. It is a work in progress, but looks almost identical to my Kuro.

And thanks to Dnice for all the effort providing a great place to work from.

EPROM Updated MJ Series North American TC-P65VT30 Reference Settings

Picture
Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: 72 (74)
Brightness: 55 60
Color: 36 42
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0 24
Color Temp: Warm2 Normal
Photo Enhancement: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off

Pro Settings
Colorspace: Normal

These settings may seem onorthodox but they worked for me

W/B High R: 0
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B: 0 +2
W/B Low R: 0
W/B Low G: 0 +1
W/B Low B: 0 +2

10 Point W/B
This section Left Unchanged
10 W/B R: -10
10 W/B G: 0
10 W/B B: -14
20 W/B R: 5
20 W/B G: 0
20 W/B B: 18
30 W/B R: 3
30 W/B G: 0
30 W/B B: 7
40 W/B R: 6
40 W/B G: 0
40 W/B B: 13
50 W/B R: 5
50 W/B G: 0
50 W/B B: 18
60 W/B R: 7
60 W/B G: 0
60 W/B B: 8
70 W/B R: 2
70 W/B G: 0
70 W/B B: 7
80 W/B R: 6
80 W/B G: 0
80 W/B B: 15
90 W/B R: -1
90 W/B G: 0
90 W/B B: 6
100 W/B R: 3
100 W/B G: 0
100 W/B B: 9

10 Point Gamma
I had serious issues with contrasty patches on peoples foreheads and such. These changes made huge differnce on my particular display
10 Gain: -50
20 Gain: -10
30 Gain: -3
40 Gain: -24
50 Gain: -26
60 Gain: -20 -25
70 Gain: -24 -18
80 Gain: -25 -11
90 Gain: -5 -4
100 Gain: 0

CMS
R-Hue: 3
R-Sat: -3
R-Lum: 50
G-Hue: 7
G-Sat: 14
G-Lum: -49
B-Hue: -13
B-Sat: 22
B-Lum: 49
Y-Hue: -24
Y-Sat: 5
Y-Lum: -19 +18 This was the only big move in this section and made a huge difference on my set
C-Hue: 36
C-Sat: -14
C-Lum: -15
M-Hue: 16
M-Sat: 7 +2
M-Lum: 15 +12

Black Extension: 0
Gamma Adjustment: 2.2 2.4 for night mode
Panel Brightness: Mid
Contour Emphasis: Off
AGC: 0

HDMI Settings
***Leave all settings in this menu at their default***

Advance Picture
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off
Black Level: Light
3:2 PullDown: Auto

I am not claiming anything other than the fact that I like these settings and am interested in feedback. Enjoy


Do these settings reflect the incorporation of FW 2.1 update?
post #826 of 1090
I updated that post with new settings. Use those. And I run 2.2 btw.
post #827 of 1090
I just purchased a TCP 65VT30 last week. Reading your thread and have some questions. What is ment by MJ, LH & MH Series? If I wanted to try one of these set-ups which one would I use? I am in North America (Canada). Also what is ment by Evangelo's USB/SD Card? I am plaing around with my settings as I am not happy with factory settings. Looking at getting calibrated at 200 hrs but jut playing in the meantime. I'm not at 100 hrs yet does it matter if I try one of your set-ups listed after 20 hrs of use?
post #828 of 1090
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReedsAle View Post

Waiting the 100 hours is BRUTAL. Shiny new TV just sitting there, staring at me with different colors showing up on the screen. I'm about 83 hours in.

Can you educate me on this. I just got 65VT30 last week. Ive been watching and playing with settings. What are you guys with these slides and 100 hr burn proceedure. If there is a benifit to this like to do. Please advise details.
post #829 of 1090
Quote:
Originally Posted by wcmartin View Post

Can you educate me on this. I just got 65VT30 last week. Ive been watching and playing with settings. What are you guys with these slides and 100 hr burn proceedure. If there is a benifit to this like to do. Please advise details.

See first post in this thread.
post #830 of 1090
Quote:
Originally Posted by mapesaudio View Post

Just completed 100 hour slide breakin, moving on to second step, I will be using your settings for my Eprom updated MJ VT30.
I realize I will be making these changes in the user menu, and want to be sure that each number I enter will be as it appears, for example,10 point W/B 10W/B R:-5, I will enter it as -5 and not as a reduction of a given number, or am I misunderstanding this?

Mark C. (mapesaudio)

What does the Eprom stand for?
post #831 of 1090
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEPROM

Electrically Erasable Programmable Read-Only Memory

LOVE MY NEW VT!
post #832 of 1090
Doing 100hrs with slides right now. My set was manufactured Nov 2011. Has updated EEPROM and 2.2 firmware. A lot of people are referencing 2.1 firmware should be installed and 2.2 reinstall over top. They are relating back to your thread. I never seen this written by you. Is this correct or incorrect?
post #833 of 1090
Quote:
Originally Posted by WayneNumm View Post

My apologies if this is not the correct forum, or if this has been answered 1000 times before, or if this simply is a dumb question.

I have a 720p 42PX80U and now a 55ST30. The 55ST30 looks good playing blurays on my ps3, or when watching netflix (via PS3 and ethernet cable), so I don't know if this is an issue with my 55ST30 per se.

My issue is with how my Shaw HD TV cable feed looks on my 55ST30. Fine details on faces for instance seem somewhat "smeared" and not sharp. Or when watching sports, the hockey players or soccer players don't look well defined. The problem seems to vary in severity depending on channel.

But, all channels did look quite clear on my 720p 42PX80U (even when looking quite closely at the screen). I recorded shows on my PVR that looked clear on my 42PX80U, and then I hooked up the same PVR (using the same HDMI cable from the PVR to TV) to the 55ST30, and the 55ST30 output was less detailed & more smeared for the same recorded programs.

My guess is that the 1080P 55ST30 simply shows deficiencies in the HD cable feed more than the 720P 42PX80U does. But possibly something else is at play.

Anyway, if anyone has any suggestions for resolving this, I'm all ears.

Thanks!

Wow. Someone in the same boat. I came from a 50PX60U, and still can't find picture settings I enjoy consistently. I flip to one DirecTV channel and I think "finally, I figured it out". I flip to another, and I'm disappointed again. On my old TV, I never felt disappointed changing channels/content. I truly wish I could find one setting I could leave it on for everything but haven't found it yet! Help! I know every room is different, everyone's eyes are different, but I've never experienced this frustration with a TV before. Blu-rays look amazing, but I can't find TV settings I truly am happy with......yet.
post #834 of 1090
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveshouse View Post

Wow. Someone in the same boat. I came from a 50PX60U, and still can't find picture settings I enjoy consistently. I flip to one DirecTV channel and I think "finally, I figured it out". I flip to another, and I'm disappointed again. On my old TV, I never felt disappointed changing channels/content. I truly wish I could find one setting I could leave it on for everything but haven't found it yet! Help! I know every room is different, everyone's eyes are different, but I've never experienced this frustration with a TV before. Blu-rays look amazing, but I can't find TV settings I truly am happy with......yet.

Good luck! I hope that it is something that you can find a solution for. I think that the ghosting around moving hockey players is what is referred to as posterisation (contouring). And the smearing of detail is called smearing (har de har har). I thought it was my Shaw HD cable feed, but now I'm not so sure (see this review which discussing posterisation with the panny's http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsu...1109221412.htm).

Anyway, that was the least of my problems with my 55ST30. I couldn't get a grip on the green tint. I used some promising settings in the DIY settings thread which controlled the mean green pretty well most of the time, but not very well some of the time (and I didn't like the thought that I would have to spend another $300 to get it calibrated). And I couldn't handle the panel darkness. Again I used some promising settings in the DIY settings thread, but it remained way too dark for me (especially when watching darker movies, or hockey).

I suppose my ST30 was a lemon, because I know there are people out there that are blown away with it (and I have been very happy with my TH42PX80U).

So with sadness I had to return it the other day. The same day I found a new Samsung PN59D550 on sale for the same great price that I had found the 55ST30 for. Being a Panasonic fanboy, I read up a bit about the PN59D550 expecting to find out how shabby it is compared to the Panasonic. I found that it would be more reflective and probably not have the same black levels as the ST30. But the reviews otherwise were VERY positive about it, so I took a chance, switched allegiance, and I snagged one (besides, I was secretly lusting for that larger panel size!).

The negative is that yes, it is much more reflective, but it's in a bat cave so that doesn't present a problem for me. The positives are that it has great colors, great brightness, nice pop (still with good colors), no posterisation, and no smearing (very clear and detailed picture with my cable feed). I also notice that the sound is much better than on my ST30 (which sounded kinda tinny). Oh, and it's rather big-ass which I really am appreciating. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that nothing untowards pops up, but so far I am seriously happy/blown away with the PN59D550.

The scary thing is that I almost settled for my defective ST30 because I didn't really know what I should be expecting out of it, and I didn't really know if the unit was at fault or not. Now I know!

Cheers
post #835 of 1090
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

EPROM Updated MJ Series North American TC-P65VT30 Reference Settings

*****Note: These settings are designed exclusively to be used on North American TC-P65VT30 displays after completing the Panel Prep procedure listed post #1. Please do not use these settings unless you have follow post #1 entirely.*****

Picture
Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: 72
Brightness: 55
Color: 36
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Warm2
Photo Enhancement: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off

Pro Settings
Colorspace: Normal

W/B High R: 0
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B: 0
W/B Low R: 0
W/B Low G: 0
W/B Low B: 0

10 Point W/B
10 W/B R: -10
10 W/B G: 0
10 W/B B: -14
20 W/B R: 5
20 W/B G: 0
20 W/B B: 18
30 W/B R: 3
30 W/B G: 0
30 W/B B: 7
40 W/B R: 6
40 W/B G: 0
40 W/B B: 13
50 W/B R: 5
50 W/B G: 0
50 W/B B: 18
60 W/B R: 7
60 W/B G: 0
60 W/B B: 8
70 W/B R: 2
70 W/B G: 0
70 W/B B: 7
80 W/B R: 6
80 W/B G: 0
80 W/B B: 15
90 W/B R: -1
90 W/B G: 0
90 W/B B: 6
100 W/B R: 3
100 W/B G: 0
100 W/B B: 9

10 Point Gamma
10 Gain: -50
20 Gain: -10
30 Gain: -3
40 Gain: -24
50 Gain: -26
60 Gain: -20
70 Gain: -24
80 Gain: -25
90 Gain: -5
100 Gain: 0

CMS
R-Hue: 3
R-Sat: -3
R-Lum: 50
G-Hue: 7
G-Sat: 14
G-Lum: -49
B-Hue: -13
B-Sat: 22
B-Lum: 49
Y-Hue: -24
Y-Sat: 5
Y-Lum: -19
C-Hue: 36
C-Sat: -14
C-Lum: -15
M-Hue: 16
M-Sat: 7
M-Lum: 15

Black Extension: 0
Gamma Adjustment: 2.2
Panel Brightness: Mid
Contour Emphasis: Off
AGC: 0

HDMI Settings
***Leave all settings in this menu at their default***

Advance Picture
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off
Black Level: Light
3:2 PullDown: Auto

Forteen hours into running color slides. Couple of questions. The calibration setting (custom) are they to be used with movies, General TV watching, DVD's? Does it matter? Also will I need to set-up all inputs with these custom settings. I'm thinking I will or they will not work with other feeds.
post #836 of 1090
Quote:
Originally Posted by wcmartin View Post

are they to be used with movies, General TV watching, DVD's?

All of the above!
post #837 of 1090
Thread Starter 
No offense, but you are making this harder than it actually is. The settings are to be used with everything. If they were specific to a source, it would have been placed in the header

Quote:
Originally Posted by wcmartin View Post

Forteen hours into running color slides. Couple of questions. The calibration setting (custom) are they to be used with movies, General TV watching, DVD's? Does it matter? Also will I need to set-up all inputs with these custom settings. I'm thinking I will or they will not work with other feeds.
post #838 of 1090
D-Nice!
Haven't seen you on this thread in awhile so I wasn't sure if a thank you would make it your way - but THANK YOU. I am new to this thread but struggled with a VT25 that had severe image retention from the day I bought it in 2010. Long story short Panasonic finally agreed to a refund and I ended up buying a 65" VT30 in January (had another VT25 with no issues in the house and I really can't deal with any picture that isn't a Panasonic Plasma). I have learned a ton from this website and I wanted to send a thank you from Canada for all the work you do (for free) for the community. It is greatly appreciated and I can't express enough how good the picture turned out on my new set after following your instructions to a T. The 100 hour break-in was one of the hardest things I've had to go through (not using it) but it was wellllll worth it!

Keep up the great work and all the best in the future!
post #839 of 1090
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BonEchoCanuck View Post

D-Nice!
Haven't seen you on this thread in awhile so I wasn't sure if a thank you would make it your way - but THANK YOU. I am new to this thread but struggled with a VT25 that had severe image retention from the day I bought it in 2010. Long story short Panasonic finally agreed to a refund and I ended up buying a 65" VT30 in January (had another VT25 with no issues in the house and I really can't deal with any picture that isn't a Panasonic Plasma). I have learned a ton from this website and I wanted to send a thank you from Canada for all the work you do (for free) for the community. It is greatly appreciated and I can't express enough how good the picture turned out on my new set after following your instructions to a T. The 100 hour break-in was one of the hardest things I've had to go through (not using it) but it was wellllll worth it!

Keep up the great work and all the best in the future!

Thank you for the kind words.
post #840 of 1090
I'm coming up on a year of owning the 55ST30 and I'm just wondering if there is any reason to get the firmware update or a-board replacement if I don't have noticeable FBR? Is there any reason to get if before the warranty is up? I haven't seen anything about it improving anything else so I'm just wondering what others are doing.
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