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post #901 of 1090
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Originally Posted by Techgurl View Post

I have a 55ST30 October build as well and have not noticed any of the problematic issues others have noted, thus it is probably the only thing stopping me from returning it. The PQ is average at best. I own a Panasonic 46S1 and the PQ difference between it and my ST30 are very slight, and to be honest I don't know if I don't favor the S1 more. I guess to be fair with all the great reviews and the passing of 2 years I was expecting the ST30 to be significantly better than the S1.

How long have you had the ST?
post #902 of 1090
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

How long have you had the ST?

I couldn't help but laugh my butt off when I read your response....

I read this as "Don't worry, you will see its flaws, you just haven't been watching it long enough...." LOL.

This may not have been your intention, but it made me laugh thinking about it. I sent you a PM, to ask you about your pink/green blobs. I have them on my ST30 and wanted to get your input about them. Mine are very faint at this point, but wondering what to do. I am happy with my ST, as the FBr is gone. Now I am battling the blobs, lol.
post #903 of 1090
I just picked up a 50GT30 that was a Magnolia dispaly model at Best Buy. It was a great price so I jumped on it. This set is my second Panny (I also have the 65VT30 for the living room that was calibrated by D Nice at VE). The 50GT30 set does not have any IR issues and was set up in the default THX mode while on display. it has An April 2011 build date and has approximately 197 hours of use (I checked the SM). Would it make sense to run the break in slides on this set? The picture is beautiful but I suppose a little tweaking couldn't hurt.

Please feel free to offer your opinions - to run breakin slides or not.
post #904 of 1090
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Originally Posted by lman12 View Post

I just picked up a 50GT30 that was a Magnolia dispaly model at Best Buy. It was a great price so I jumped on it. This set is my second Panny (I also have the 65VT30 for the living room that was calibrated by D Nice at VE). The 50GT30 set does not have any IR issues and was set up in the default THX mode while on display. it has An April 2011 build date and has approximately 197 hours of use (I checked the SM). Would it make sense to run the break in slides on this set? The picture is beautiful but I suppose a little tweaking couldn't hurt.

Please feel free to offer your opinions - to run breakin slides or not.

I would think there is no point now. The first 200 hours are the most critical. The reason most of us have attempted to run the slides (outside of trying to prevent burn in/IR,) was to take advantage of D-Nice's settings. I would just enjoy the tv at this point
post #905 of 1090
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Originally Posted by dtbreen76 View Post


I couldn't help but laugh my butt off when I read your response....

I read this as "Don't worry, you will see its flaws, you just haven't been watching it long enough...." LOL.

This may not have been your intention, but it made me laugh thinking about it. I sent you a PM, to ask you about your pink/green blobs. I have them on my ST30 and wanted to get your input about them. Mine are very faint at this point, but wondering what to do. I am happy with my ST, as the FBr is gone. Now I am battling the blobs, lol.

For some reason my profile won't accept PMs right now. Totally confused about that as I do allow them...

Actually, I was implying just the opposite! I know that you returned an S for an ST but I wasn't sure how long / how many hours you've had on the ST. It's fairly well chronicled that plasmas in general, but especially the 2011 Panasonic line, undergoe a change in gamma and panel brightness after the first few hundred hours. I've noticed a significant shift in gamma on my S (as I refuse to believe my previous settings were THAT far off, lol!) and I swear to you my blacks have gotten darker.

As for the green-- I don't know what to tell you. I'm 100% positive that this is a manufacturing flaw and, as such, it's behavior is difficult to predict. My father has had 3 60" STs and they all had the green/pink. His first and third panel still displayed the issue after significant time on the panel (via the color slides). As you know, I've had 2 50S30s and have tested several other displays/stock and they ALL had the flaw. My first set was BAD. My second set was much less noticeable and that's the one I decided to keep.

Now, in my second month of ownership, I can barely see the pink. Let me be clear that the green is still there. The green is a coloration issue in the greyscale and I can prove this by throwing up a greyscale slide (like the first slide on the misc patterns of the avshd709 disc)-- that pattern is striped with green at several spots along the scale and it's mirrored from top to bottom, indicating that the green is visible at very specific values.

Someone over at hidefjunkies suggested that the pink was a thermal issue. Now, I can't say for sure whether the pink is caused by a thermal inequity across the panel or if the thermal issue is an effect of the uniformity but I can confirm that there is a substantial difference in temperature on my panel from the center to the edges. It's easy to feel with your hand but I took a measurement with a digital thermometer and the difference is as much as 20 degrees even shortly after the panel powers up.

Suffice to say, my 2008 plasma has a warm screen and I'm sure the temperature isn't even across it but I'll tell you I've never experienced anything like the 2011 on the 2008.
post #906 of 1090
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

For some reason my profile won't accept PMs right now. Totally confused about that as I do allow them...

Actually, I was implying just the opposite! I know that you returned an S for an ST but I wasn't sure how long / how many hours you've had on the ST. It's fairly well chronicled that plasmas in general, but especially the 2011 Panasonic line, undergoe a change in gamma and panel brightness after the first few hundred hours. I've noticed a significant shift in gamma on my S (as I refuse to believe my previous settings were THAT far off, lol!) and I swear to you my blacks have gotten darker.

As for the green-- I don't know what to tell you. I'm 100% positive that this is a manufacturing flaw and, as such, it's behavior is difficult to predict. My father has had 3 60" STs and they all had the green/pink. His first and third panel still displayed the issue after significant time on the panel (via the color slides). As you know, I've had 2 50S30s and have tested several other displays/stock and they ALL had the flaw. My first set was BAD. My second set was much less noticeable and that's the one I decided to keep.

Now, in my second month of ownership, I can barely see the pink. Let me be clear that the green is still there. The green is a coloration issue in the greyscale and I can prove this by throwing up a greyscale slide (like the first slide on the misc patterns of the avshd709 disc)-- that pattern is striped with green at several spots along the scale and it's mirrored from top to bottom, indicating that the green is visible at very specific values.

Someone over at hidefjunkies suggested that the pink was a thermal issue. Now, I can't say for sure whether the pink is caused by a thermal inequity across the panel or if the thermal issue is an effect of the uniformity but I can confirm that there is a substantial difference in temperature on my panel from the center to the edges. It's easy to feel with your hand but I took a measurement with a digital thermometer and the difference is as much as 20 degrees even shortly after the panel powers up.

Suffice to say, my 2008 plasma has a warm screen and I'm sure the temperature isn't even across it but I'll tell you I've never experienced anything like the 2011 on the 2008.

Thanks Sage! I guess I will just keep mine for now and see how it goes. If between you and your father you have experienced this with 5/5 sets, it tells me that it exists to some degree with all of them. With mine it is pretty faint, and it seems to get better after playing full screen content for a little while. My blobs don't show up on the slides at all. I only have 100 hours on the set now, so we will see what happens. What did panasonic say about it?
post #907 of 1090
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Originally Posted by Ozzie Isaac View Post

Got my TV today 55st30. It is an October 11 build, so no fBr issue, it is not buzzing, and it has no pink/green blobs ... at least after carefully inspecting in evangelou2's slides. I am running the slides with D'Nice's settings for 100 hrs.

My question is how common is a dead or stuck pixel? I think a sub pixel is bad. I have one pixel right in the center that shows up dark during the green slides, grey slides, and white slides but not during the red or blue slides. Is this common? Will I notice it during regular content viewing and if I have none of the other issues is it worth returning the TV over?

IMO, seeing defects when playing the slides does not necessarily mean you have a real-world problem. If you see it during normal viewing, I'd return it. If not, I'd keep it.
post #908 of 1090
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

Nothing wrong with running the slides - we've done so on 5 panels now (3 still in house).

OTOH, if it helps Promote Peace in the house, would also see nothing wrong with enjoying a few Full Screen (16:9, No Letterboxing) shows / movies during the break-in period.

We have done just that with every panel thus far, and none of them have blown up... (Although I do extend the slides / full-screen animation out to about 150 hours - or more - before hauling out a "calibration" disk.)

Before I bought my 60ST30 I was reading your posts hoping I didn't get one with green/pink tint. Well I have pink tint on both edges and some green appearing on the gray color slides. I am getting the TV swapped out tomorrow. It sounds like you followed the panel prep settings on all of your sets. Many others that have the green/pink tint have also done the panel prep. Has your research showed any correlation between running the set on high contrast and cool 2 for the first 100 hours and possible adverse affects to the these particular Panasonic models? I noticed that D-Nice changed his panel prep settings with the ST50 on HDJ to Custom default settings.
post #909 of 1090
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Originally Posted by dtbreen76 View Post

I couldn't help but laugh my butt off when I read your response....

I read this as "Don't worry, you will see its flaws, you just haven't been watching it long enough...." LOL.

This may not have been your intention, but it made me laugh thinking about it. I sent you a PM, to ask you about your pink/green blobs. I have them on my ST30 and wanted to get your input about them. Mine are very faint at this point, but wondering what to do. I am happy with my ST, as the FBr is gone. Now I am battling the blobs, lol.

What program content makes these blob issues more profound. I've heard everything from Black and White, Gray slides, to episodes of house. How do the blobs compare to floating blacks in being noticable: because I could see floating blacks very easily(a matter of 2 mins or less )on my old 54S2...

...still yet to see them, not saying they don't exist but I need to return the set if they're there, I only have a week return period left.
post #910 of 1090
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Originally Posted by dtbreen76 View Post


Thanks Sage! I guess I will just keep mine for now and see how it goes. If between you and your father you have experienced this with 5/5 sets, it tells me that it exists to some degree with all of them. With mine it is pretty faint, and it seems to get better after playing full screen content for a little while. My blobs don't show up on the slides at all. I only have 100 hours on the set now, so we will see what happens. What did panasonic say about it?

Panasonic said that I might be too picky.

For realz.
post #911 of 1090
aw ****, got my st30 and running the slides for 8 hours now and just rechecked the settings to make sure they were right. Apparently I input the settings before going to picture mode, so for the past 8 hours I've been running the slides on default. I hope it doesn't screw with my set too much
post #912 of 1090
Sorry if this is a noobie question, I just purchased my first plasma (TCP50ST30) and want to make sure I do it right Do I set the TV to all the settings listed below (from the first post) or just the "Slideshow Settings" for the 100 hr slideshow break-in period? Thanks in advance!


Photo Settings

Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Color: 70
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 50
Color Temp: Cool2
Photo Enhancement: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off

Pro Settings
***Leave all settings in this menu at their default***

HDMI Settings
***Leave all settings in this menu at their default***

Advance Picture
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off



Slideshow Settings

Frame: Off
Photo Effect: Off
Transition Effect: Off
Photo Size: Normal
Burst Playback: Off
Display Interval: Slow
Repeat Playback: On
post #913 of 1090
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Originally Posted by JesusisGod View Post

Sorry if this is a noobie question, I just purchased my first plasma (TCP50ST30) and want to make sure I do it right Do I set the TV to all the settings listed below (from the first post) or just the "Slideshow Settings" for the 100 hr slideshow break-in period? Thanks in advance!


Photo Settings

Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Color: 70
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 50
Color Temp: Cool2
Photo Enhancement: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off

Pro Settings
***Leave all settings in this menu at their default***

HDMI Settings
***Leave all settings in this menu at their default***

Advance Picture
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off



Slideshow Settings

Frame: Off
Photo Effect: Off
Transition Effect: Off
Photo Size: Normal
Burst Playback: Off
Display Interval: Slow
Repeat Playback: On

you do all of them, but make sure you do them when you're in the photo section (not like my dumbarse).
post #914 of 1090
I am in the 3rd day of running the slides (42" GT30 plasma) and I have noticed two horizontal bands which appear only at transitions from certain slides to others (grey to other colors or between different shades of grey). This happens on fast (manual) transitions, when I switch between slides back and forth in less than a second. The bands become clearly visible for a second during these transitions and then they are gone. One is about 15 cm high and the other maybe about 5, one along the lower edge and the other along the higher edge.

Is this usual behaviour for this model ? Can I expect it to stay the same or get worse ? Is it the case to return it ?

Edit: It looks like it was a false alarm. I have tried other similar models and they also exhibit the same type of "band", or "line" on (fast) switching between different colors or shades. It is probably related to the plasma image technology and hopefully it won't be visible in usual, non-test images.
post #915 of 1090
I'll hit 96 hours straight tonight @ 8:30 or so..

question becomes stop then or let er rip over night to 107 hours at 7 am or so

any thoughts

first time plasma owner so i know this is nitpicking
just curious
post #916 of 1090
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Originally Posted by sagecounsel View Post

I'll hit 96 hours straight tonight @ 8:30 or so..

question becomes stop then or let er rip over night to 107 hours at 7 am or so

any thoughts

first time plasma owner so i know this is nitpicking
just curious

I am in the same place you are. I plan to keep my slides running at night when i go to bed, but use tv normally during the day (full screen only.) I am going to continue this until 150-200 hours, just to be safe.
post #917 of 1090
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Originally Posted by Von Soundcard View Post

I am in the 3rd day of running the slides (42" GT30 plasma) and I have noticed two horizontal bands which appear only at transitions from certain slides to others (grey to other colors or between different shades of grey). This happens on fast (manual) transitions, when I switch between slides back and forth in less than a second. The bands become clearly visible for a second during these transitions and then they are gone. One is about 15 cm high and the other maybe about 5, one along the lower edge and the other along the higher edge.

Is this usual behaviour for this model ? Can I expect it to stay the same or get worse ? Is it the case to return it ?

Most of us used the slow setting, so I cannot tell you for sure. It doesn't sound like anything to worry about if it is just the transition. Our tv's display color banding anyway, usually when there is a graduation of shades of grey.
post #918 of 1090
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Originally Posted by Techgurl View Post

What program content makes these blob issues more profound. I've heard everything from Black and White, Gray slides, to episodes of house. How do the blobs compare to floating blacks in being noticable: because I could see floating blacks very easily(a matter of 2 mins or less )on my old 54S2...

...still yet to see them, not saying they don't exist but I need to return the set if they're there, I only have a week return period left.

I wouldn't worry if you don't see them. I suppose it is possible that you don't have them, but I think it is more likely that they are faint and you have not watched the right content. I have a PS3 and in the background of the screen they have a graduated grey that reveals a pink and green tinge to the grey in a couple of areas on the screen. That is how I found them. If I had not seen that particular screen, I probably never would have noticed it.

Now that I know where they are, I can see the slight discoloration caused by the pink one in certain scenes of movies or tv shows. It usually takes a grey sky with some clouds. Instead of being just tones of grey, I can see a faint pink tinge to them (clouds/sky) in the area where the blob exists. It is a very soft edge to the blob, so it is not a defined shape.

I am not going to bother returning mine, as I believe that all of them probably exhibit the blobs to some extent. It is very rare that it shows up when watching tv/movies or playing games, so i just have to learn to ignore it. My pink one is the only one visible to me when watching content and it is in the upper left corner of the screen, so it does not impact the important part (center.)

As Sage discovered, Panasonic is not going to recognize it as a problem anyway.
post #919 of 1090
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

Panasonic said that I might be too picky.

For realz.

That's it? No recognition that this occurs? They didn't even bother to tell you that "your tv is performing to specs?" Or that it is not problem?

How long have you had your second S30?
post #920 of 1090
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Originally Posted by sagecounsel View Post

I'll hit 96 hours straight tonight @ 8:30 or so..

question becomes stop then or let er rip over night to 107 hours at 7 am or so

any thoughts

first time plasma owner so i know this is nitpicking
just curious

If you plan on using D'Nice's setting stop at 100. Anyone going 150 to 200 is not doing it right for D's settings!
post #921 of 1090
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Originally Posted by gce View Post

If you plan on using D'Nice's setting stop at 100. Anyone going 150 to 200 is not doing it right for D's settings!

Yeah, I already screwed up in the very beginning by not having the picture settings right when running the slides for the first 8 hours or so. Plus I ran some full screen content (tv) when wife was home during the day. I am still going to plug them in and see how they look though.
post #922 of 1090
I have done the setup to run the slideshow. How do I get to the usb's to run it? I pluged it in to the usb port but cannot find it in the menu options? What am I doing wrong? thanks
post #923 of 1090
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Originally Posted by fire9746 View Post
I have done the setup to run the slideshow. How do I get to the usb's to run it? I pluged it in to the usb port but cannot find it in the menu options? What am I doing wrong? thanks
Did you try to back out of the photo viewer? Format the drive to fat32 or ntfs.

You might try to unzip these to the drive.


Attachment 240749

Then go into viera tools to view them.

 

BreakIn_Images.zip 7.6904296875k . file
post #924 of 1090
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Originally Posted by dtbreen76 View Post


That's it? No recognition that this occurs? They didn't even bother to tell you that "your tv is performing to specs?" Or that it is not problem?

How long have you had your second S30?

Little more than a month. They kept telling me that they'd never seen or heard of this issue before and that if I was unsatisfied with the image that I could try a higher end model. Which is funny to me as even the VT suffers from the green/pink. Nope, at that point I decided that I wouldn't be spending one more penny with Panasonic on their 2011 line and my choice would be to return the set and cut my loses or just keep it for the few things it does really well. Currently I'm leaning towards keeping it but if something should fall into my lap between now and my return date who knows...

As I've said before, the S is a superb set with a high quality source and a light controlled room. Put it in a position to perform and it will defy it's entry level price. Movies are stunning on this set thanks to the deep blacks and gaming is a blast too if you can look past the fubar gamma in game mode.

This is the point that someone chimes in that their 2011 panny set isn't dim after which DNice starts posting luminance measurements followed shortly by the plasma police who politely suggest I shove off to the LCD forum where they suppose everyone likes their displays to resemble the surface of the sun... I don't give a **** and so I'm going to say it again: the 2011 Panasonic plasma line is dim. Period. Panasonic even advertises this 'feature' by showing a mother and her child watching tv together without the pain of "eye fatigue".
post #925 of 1090
^^^

My new 65vt30 is plenty bright for my needs. I just don't see all this crap like i keep hearing about with pink- green blobs, line bleed, and no buzz than i can hear.
post #926 of 1090
I am supposed to plug the thumb drive right into the usb port correct?
post #927 of 1090
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

^^^

My new 65vt30 is plenty bright for my needs. I just don't see all this crap like i keep hearing about with pink- green blobs, line bleed, and no buzz than i can hear.

I'm not surprised you wouldn't notice the green even if your set exhibits it as it's not all that obvious-- until you see it an then you're ****ed (pardon my french). I'm surprised you've never seen line bleed. It's fairly common on plasma but the 2011 line was especially bad. As I understand it, the VT wasn't exempt from this. As for buzz... All plasmas buzz. It's just that some buzz more than others.
post #928 of 1090
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Originally Posted by fire9746 View Post

I am supposed to plug the thumb drive right into the usb port correct?

Yes. Make sure the files are in the root folder. Not in their own folder, although that may work too.
post #929 of 1090
OK got it. How do I get to the slideshow settings? I have set everything else but don't see those.
post #930 of 1090
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Originally Posted by fire9746 View Post

OK got it. How do I get to the slideshow settings? I have set everything else but don't see those.

viera tools --> media player
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