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post #91 of 222
3/11/12 at 4:11pm
Pre-ordered the 9600 today. Should be interesting...
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post #92 of 222
3/11/12 at 5:22pm
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was LM9600 at CES 2012??

I believe so.
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post #93 of 222
3/11/12 at 5:47pm
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was LM9600 at CES 2012??

I just checked out a video on cnet website, they mentioned the LM9600 that was on display there.

Here's the link to the cnet video, the reporter starts showing us the LM9600 at around 1:40.

http://cnettv.cnet.com/walk-through-...contentBody;2n
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post #94 of 222
3/11/12 at 6:17pm
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Pre-ordered the 9600 today. Should be interesting...

where from?
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post #95 of 222
3/11/12 at 7:10pm
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where from?

I'm not sure of the rules but the link was given in this thread.
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post #96 of 222
3/11/12 at 8:17pm
Here's a link to the LM9600 series spec sheet pdf that I came across for both the 46" and 55"

It may get updated again for a final release/version when LG eventually updates their website to include the model series.

http://edinw.com/Spec_Sheets/LG_LM9600_SPEC.PDF
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post #97 of 222
3/11/12 at 9:28pm
If you're interested in screenshot of LM9600 in Korean, pls visit my forum link below.
Interesting thing I found about LM9600 is it has 20 pt IRE for grayscale and now support 3D CMS (HSL).

http://forum.realhd.co.kr/xe/4582

It includes new ES8000 LED TV from Samsung.
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post #98 of 222
3/11/12 at 9:53pm
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If you're interested in screenshot of LM9600 in Korean, pls visit my forum link below.
Interesting thing I found about LM9600 is it has 20 pt IRE for grayscale and now support 3D CMS (HSL).

http://forum.realhd.co.kr/xe/4582

It includes new ES8000 LED TV from Samsung.

Forgive me for my noobness when it comes to grayscale. Is that a good or bad thing when you mentioned it has 20 pt IRE for the grayscale? And what about 3D CMS? I do know CMS stands for Color Management System but what does that (3D CMS) do? I'm taking a stab here and will guess that it's a separate color system for the 3D feature? If not, could you or someone please explain what the 3D CMS is and tell me if that would make a small or big difference over the standard CMS?

I appreciate any basic explanation of this 3D CMS (that is if I'm absolutely wrong with my guess) and an easy answer as to whether its a small or big improvement to the tv over CMS.

Cheers,
J-Dogg
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post #99 of 222
3/11/12 at 10:01pm
By the way Freebits, are you by any chance able to find out the panel type? I'm hoping it's LG's newest IPS, which I read somewhere that they've come out with AH-IPS. Also would you be able to find out how many dimming zones this model would have?

Thanks for posting that link with pictures of the LM9600 in action! The ES8000 looks very nice too!

Greatly appreciated with the posting of calibration reports of both sets!
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post #100 of 222
3/12/12 at 6:26am
CNET posted some info on the lm9600 this morning it says it has a 200hz IPS panel.
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post #101 of 222
3/12/12 at 7:35am
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CNET posted some info on the lm9600 this morning it says it has a 200hz IPS panel.

You know you should have posted a link don't you (smile).
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post #102 of 222
3/12/12 at 10:39am
Every place I saw it was the same: 480Hz, not 200.

I would never trust c|net for a serious review.
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post #103 of 222
3/12/12 at 10:55am
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You know you should have posted a link don't you (smile).

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post #104 of 222
3/12/12 at 11:11am
http://asia.cnet.com/product/lg-55lm...d-45879816.htm

It was actually cnet Asia so maybe that why it is different
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post #105 of 222
3/12/12 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by Tapioca Cold View Post

however, glossy finish could be a turn-off for some. You can see me taking the photo.
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its the opposite
glossy screen is a must the get the best and deepset colors.
i dont think people understand that.

i hate matte screens

great pix!
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post #106 of 222
3/12/12 at 5:28pm
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Forgive me for my noobness when it comes to grayscale. Is that a good or bad thing when you mentioned it has 20 pt IRE for the grayscale?

its twice better than the 10 point IRE that they have now.
you can get twice more accurate grayscale now.
its like you double the resolution for calibration.

the good thing is that the AVSHD 709 has 20 pt IRE patterns.

example:
10 point: 10% 20% 30% 40% 50%...
20 point: 5% 10% 15% 20% 25% 30% 35%...
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post #107 of 222
3/12/12 at 8:54pm
As pg_ice mentioned, we can calibrate the grayscale more accurately with 20 point IRE.
The 2011 LG TVs had only 2D CMS which consists of Saturation & Hue. LM9600 now has 3D CMS which means it additionally supports Luminance. With 3D CMS, you can perfectly calibrate your color as long as it works fine.


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Originally Posted by J-Dogg View Post

Forgive me for my noobness when it comes to grayscale. Is that a good or bad thing when you mentioned it has 20 pt IRE for the grayscale? And what about 3D CMS? I do know CMS stands for Color Management System but what does that (3D CMS) do? I'm taking a stab here and will guess that it's a separate color system for the 3D feature? If not, could you or someone please explain what the 3D CMS is and tell me if that would make a small or big difference over the standard CMS?

I appreciate any basic explanation of this 3D CMS (that is if I'm absolutely wrong with my guess) and an easy answer as to whether its a small or big improvement to the tv over CMS.

Cheers,
J-Dogg
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post #108 of 222
3/12/12 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

its twice better than the 10 point IRE that they have now.
you can get twice more accurate grayscale now.
its like you double the resolution for calibration.

the good thing is that the AVSHD 709 has 20 pt IRE patterns.

example:
10 point: 10% 20% 30% 40% 50%...
20 point: 5% 10% 15% 20% 25% 30% 35%...

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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

As pg_ice mentioned, we can calibrate the grayscale more accurately with 20 point IRE.
The 2011 LG TVs had only 2D CMS which consists of Saturation & Hue. LM9600 now has 3D CMS which means it additionally supports Luminance. With 3D CMS, you can perfectly calibrate your color as long as it works fine.

Thanks pg_ice and freebits for replying back and explaining! So whats the maximum point IRE that currently exists on a HDTV for grayscale? Is there a brand/model that actually has like a 30 point? I'm not saying that I will go out to get a tv just for that feature. Just asking thats all. I think that's wonderful to hear that they've upgraded the CMS to 3D to support luminance, because, like freebits says, we can get a better picture quality by hopefully getting perfectly calibrated colors (hopefully if LG did a proper job of implementing this 3D CMS system)

By the way Freebits, I checked out that link you gave, it looks like LG needs to get some firmware done on the LM9600 from the looks of the post calibration report? I say this because the blue seems to be out of whack on it? I'm not saying I'm right or anything. Just going by what my little understanding/knowledge of these calibration reports.

Once again thanks guys!
Cheers,
J-Dogg
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post #109 of 222
3/12/12 at 9:49pm
Normally it 2 pt or 10 pt.
20 pt IRE is for the high end displays or video processor so it's unusual to implement 20 pt IRE in LM9600.
LM9600 had some luminance issue with expert mode 1 & 2. Those modes had max 40 fL while other modes had more than 80 fL. So I couldn't make 60fL like Samsung ES8000.

Those calibration chart was for the standard mode since expert mode 1/2 didn't have enough brightness. We can't calibrate the grayscale in the standard mode and that's why I had such non-perfect reports.
I guess it's firmware issue and return to the shop to calibrate again if LG fixes it later.
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post #110 of 222
3/12/12 at 10:14pm
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Normally it 2 pt or 10 pt.
20 pt IRE is for the high end displays or video processor so it's unusual to implement 20 pt IRE in LM9600.
LM9600 had some luminance issue with expert mode 1 & 2. Those modes had max 40 fL while other modes had more than 80 fL. So I couldn't make 60fL like Samsung ES8000.

Those calibration chart was for the standard mode since expert mode 1/2 didn't have enough brightness. We can't calibrate the grayscale in the standard mode and that's why I had such non-perfect reports.
I guess it's firmware issue and return to the shop to calibrate again if LG fixes it later.

Ok and 60 fL is about where we want the fL to be around is what you're saying? So have you by any chance contacted LG support yet with your calibration findings so they can hopefully come out with a firmware asap so the users will be satisfied with the picture quality in expert 1 & 2 modes?

Have you been able to find out about the panel type (that LG is using their AH-IPS panel or a different IPS one?) and the number of dimming zones in this to help with uniformity and hopefully helps to make the blacks blacker rather than appear grayish.

How long has this model been out in Korea now? What was the release date? I'm still waiting for it to become available in North America (especially here in Canada). What's the selling price over there in Korea anyways? The MSRP/MAP seems to be $3299.99 in the U.S.

Cheers,
J-Dogg
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post #111 of 222
3/13/12 at 12:15am
The target luminace was 60fL while 45-50fL is normally recommended at home. I haven't contacted LG since I'm not owning LM9600 yet.

When I activated service menu, I found it's the same backlight type called ALEF_LED which is used at the LZ9600/LW9800 TVs.

The dimming zone is also one of our most interesting factors in 2012 models but nobody knows even LG doesn't announce it.

One guy in Korea tried running dimming zone tests using his magic remote at night but he couldn't find the blooming or similar zone information.
Seems LG raised the black level not to show the blooming effect thus he felt its black level is lower than TV with 288 zones such as LZ9600/LW9500. The black is not completely dark rather it had clouds even it's local dimming backlight. We're all disappointed.

It's been out for 2 weeks now and it's the most expensive TVs here even higher than ES8000.
55" costs around $4,500USD. It bundles with LG laptop PC for free though.


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Originally Posted by J-Dogg View Post

Ok and 60 fL is about where we want the fL to be around is what you're saying? So have you by any chance contacted LG support yet with your calibration findings so they can hopefully come out with a firmware asap so the users will be satisfied with the picture quality in expert 1 & 2 modes?

Have you been able to find out about the panel type (that LG is using their AH-IPS panel or a different IPS one?) and the number of dimming zones in this to help with uniformity and hopefully helps to make the blacks blacker rather than appear grayish.

How long has this model been out in Korea now? What was the release date? I'm still waiting for it to become available in North America (especially here in Canada). What's the selling price over there in Korea anyways? The MSRP/MAP seems to be $3299.99 in the U.S.

Cheers,
J-Dogg
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post #112 of 222
3/13/12 at 2:35am
Has anyone seen the 84" outside CES? I see it listed in some PDFs but not release date or any reviews/previews
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post #113 of 222
3/13/12 at 4:34am
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

The target luminace was 60fL while 45-50fL is normally recommended at home. I haven't contacted LG since I'm not owning LM9600 yet.

When I activated service menu, I found it's the same backlight type called ALEF_LED which is used at the LZ9600/LW9800 TVs.

The dimming zone is also one of our most interesting factors in 2012 models but nobody knows even LG doesn't announce it.

One guy in Korea tried running dimming zone tests using his magic remote at night but he couldn't find the blooming or similar zone information.
Seems LG raised the black level not to show the blooming effect thus he felt its black level is lower than TV with 288 zones such as LZ9600/LW9500. The black is not completely dark rather it had clouds even it's local dimming backlight. We're all disappointed.

It's been out for 2 weeks now and it's the most expensive TVs here even higher than ES8000.
55" costs around $4,500USD. It bundles with LG laptop PC for free though.

*Sigh* thanks for the news, freebits.
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post #114 of 222
3/13/12 at 6:20am
I don't know if everyone has seen this list of prices and availability:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...874&newsletter

Jim
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post #115 of 222
3/13/12 at 6:32am
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Has anyone seen the 84" outside CES? I see it listed in some PDFs but not release date or any reviews/previews

Wondering the same.
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post #116 of 222
3/13/12 at 8:24am
the 3299 USD is the MSRP that all of the retailers show for the 55LM9600. I wonder if thats what the price will be or its just suggested.

is LG doing a similar Unilateral Pricing Program as Samsung?
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post #117 of 222
3/13/12 at 9:06am
The 72LM9500 is missing from that list. Percy's has, at least a placeholder, of $6499.99 listed.

On another note, why does the 72" seem like the step-child in the group? It's design does not match any of the other model lines. Could you have at least given us that ovular stand LG? The style looks very plain and dated.
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post #118 of 222
3/13/12 at 5:27pm
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the 3299 USD is the MSRP that all of the retailers show for the 55LM9600. I wonder if thats what the price will be or its just suggested.

is LG doing a similar Unilateral Pricing Program as Samsung?

that's completely absurd. but its your $$, spend it any way you like.
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post #119 of 222
3/13/12 at 6:56pm
What a sad news (cloud issues even it's local dimming backlight).

Availability for N.A. is 03/31:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...Cinema_3D.html
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post #120 of 222
3/14/12 at 2:18am
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It's incorrect information. LW9800 in Korea also had the same 96 dimming zones and many customers tried to get refund due to LG's false advertisement.
btw, I'm from Korea.

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Are you located in Korea?

I'm a foreigner and a proud owner of an LZ9600. I reside in Daegu, but will be moving to Seoul in August. Do you have any info on getting my set calibrated? I went to the Electronics Depot in Yongsan but the LG guy had no idea what I was talking about. He did not know anything about 케리브래이션. I thought it was a bit strange, but not surprising. My Korean is not the greatest in the world. 족음 한국말 해요. 잘 못했읍니다.

I'll send this as a message too. I hope you can give me a hand.

Cold
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