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post #2191 of 3370
No extra weight on the HMD as the battery pack should be install at the video processing box.
post #2192 of 3370
Were still making cushion pads like crazy! Up to orders from Feb 13th now, still behind and getting many orders daily

SO everyone who has not gotten them, please hang in there!
post #2193 of 3370
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

Were still making cushion pads like crazy! Up to orders from Feb 13th now, still behind and getting many orders daily

SO everyone who has not gotten them, please hang in there!

if i place my order today.. how long is estimated wait time?
i'm from netherlands.

i keep thinking about these cushion pads, but i'm not sure if they will help me..
(i got used to the nose pain already :P)
post #2194 of 3370
Looks like you were bang on for U K , I am in manchester and just got a text to say mine will be here tomorrow ( Friday ) , hope you got the same good news .
post #2195 of 3370
Possibly about 2 months.
post #2196 of 3370
anyone had god of war hd ghost of sparta? only this games so far i see double image on very far view for certain scene and i hope is games specific only not my eyes issue :P anyone care to test this games if they see double image on a very far view.
post #2197 of 3370
oh and is a ps3 games and 3d detail is max.

Thanks
post #2198 of 3370
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Originally Posted by squall12 View Post

anyone had god of war hd ghost of sparta? only this games so far i see double image on very far view for certain scene and i hope is games specific only not my eyes issue :P anyone care to test this games if they see double image on a very far view.

I played both God of War 3D games on PSP. I can't remember which one it was, but one of them required me to move the 3D depth slider to less than 50 percent because it looked blurry -- i wouldnt call it ghosting or a double image.. but it just didn't look right. I think the same was true of the Sonic Generations demo. I do remember Ghost of sparta had some good 3D though and really enjoyed it
post #2199 of 3370
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Originally Posted by stumlad View Post

I played both God of War 3D games on PSP. I can't remember which one it was, but one of them required me to move the 3D depth slider to less than 50 percent because it looked blurry -- i wouldnt call it ghosting or a double image.. but it just didn't look right. I think the same was true of the Sonic Generations demo. I do remember Ghost of sparta had some good 3D though and really enjoyed it

ok thanks will try it later today and see if can resolved my double image issue.

Thanks
post #2200 of 3370
Hmmm so I picked the HMZ today. Been playing with it for a few hours now and I watched some 2d videos and stuff. I love it but I am having issues with it. I can't for the life of me find the "sweet spot" where there is 100% clear screen. This is forgetting the comfort factor right now, I just want the sweet spot. Any suggestions?

If I can't find the sweet spot then I am over this product, I can't stand blurry images. I knew about this issue before, and I knew about it at the store when I tried it. But the problem was at the store they don't really offer any content that shows this issue, so I figured I had gotten the sweet spot. Got it home, hooked it up to my pc and I just can't make the blurry corners or blurry middle or blurry some part go away. I am begining to think I just have the wrong head size with eye placement or something for this product.

Also others had mentioned it, but honestly I feel this product's 3d seems to be lacking. I know its the content that matters but I have yet to be really impressed by the 3d, obviously I love the zero ghosting but I am just not getting the "pop" that I can on my monitor. Still needs more testing but these are just my initial thoughts. I will post more tomorrow after I've had a day to mess with it.

Again any suggestions are welcome, I am still going through the...74 pages of this thread reading what others have said.
post #2201 of 3370
subst8,
the 3d is amazing. maybe there is no pop, but it's definetly better than anything i've seen on any 3d screen.
watch few movies in 2d, then switch to sector 9 in 3d for example. you will feel the diffrence right away!

i'm using my hmd for few months now, and at the beginning i had a lot of blurry images, but after a while i think my eyes got adjusted to look at these tiny screens from short distance, and now i can see more clearly. it's not 100% clear like in the middle, but it's more than enough to continue playing. in games you won't notice that that much.

when i bought it, i was really pissed of about those issues, and the comfort so i put it for sale immediatly. i already got a buyer, and if i would sell, i would already make profit out of it but after few days of keep using it i decided to keep it for myself. i don't regret it!
post #2202 of 3370
subst8,
I've been using the HMZ for a few months now and think that the 3d is very impressive. The amount of pop definately depends on the material. I have watched some 3d movies on my samsung active 3d tv and then watched them on the HMZ and noticed that the 3d "pop" did not seem as pronounced on the HMZ although it felt much more natural and pleasant to watch on the HMZ. At the same time some movies, like Tangled, had good pop on the HMZ for me.

PC games on the other hand have excellent pop on the HMZ because you have the ability to control the convergence and depth options which will let you tailor the experience to your on preference. I have played PC games using 3dvision on a 22 inch monitor, a 10' projection screen using an HD66 dlp projector and on my HMZ. The HMZ is by far the best experience. The brightness and ghost free image avialable on the HMZ puts it way ahead of the other too. In fact I haven't used either the monitor or projector for 3d gaming since I got the HMZ.

The other thing that the HMZ provides is a very high level of immersion. When you really get focused on the movie that you are watching or the game that you are playing it can really become immersive because the video image is the only thing that you can see.

As far as the blurry images I also have that issue although I have found that if I loosen the back straps just a little bit the image gets a little clearer although some blurriness is still there in the corners. I use it in my reclining theater chair so I don't have to have the straps real tight to keep the unit on. I have found that with most games this is not an issue until you go to a menu screen that has a lot of text on it and even then it is playable but annoying at times depending on the font size. In movies this has been a non-issue.

I am really curious to read hands on reports of the upcoming ST1080 product to see how it compares on this blurriness issue.
post #2203 of 3370
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Originally Posted by kixpress View Post

subst8,
the 3d is amazing. maybe there is no pop, but it's definetly better than anything i've seen on any 3d screen.
watch few movies in 2d, then switch to sector 9 in 3d for example. you will feel the diffrence right away!

i'm using my hmd for few months now, and at the beginning i had a lot of blurry images, but after a while i think my eyes got adjusted to look at these tiny screens from short distance, and now i can see more clearly. it's not 100% clear like in the middle, but it's more than enough to continue playing. in games you won't notice that that much.

when i bought it, i was really pissed of about those issues, and the comfort so i put it for sale immediatly. i already got a buyer, and if i would sell, i would already make profit out of it but after few days of keep using it i decided to keep it for myself. i don't regret it!

Hmmmm yeah I played with it some more and there is no all the time sweet spot, but I did find a nice balance. When I am working on papers or surfing the web I use one setting then in games or movies I switch to another.

Now I am trying to find easy ways to mod it for comfort, any easy suggestions there? I noticed the thing those guys are selling, but waiting two months to get it? No thanks.
post #2204 of 3370
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Originally Posted by acegamer View Post

subst8,
I've been using the HMZ for a few months now and think that the 3d is very impressive. The amount of pop definately depends on the material. I have watched some 3d movies on my samsung active 3d tv and then watched them on the HMZ and noticed that the 3d "pop" did not seem as pronounced on the HMZ although it felt much more natural and pleasant to watch on the HMZ. At the same time some movies, like Tangled, had good pop on the HMZ for me.

PC games on the other hand have excellent pop on the HMZ because you have the ability to control the convergence and depth options which will let you tailor the experience to your on preference. I have played PC games using 3dvision on a 22 inch monitor, a 10' projection screen using an HD66 dlp projector and on my HMZ. The HMZ is by far the best experience. The brightness and ghost free image avialable on the HMZ puts it way ahead of the other too. In fact I haven't used either the monitor or projector for 3d gaming since I got the HMZ.

The other thing that the HMZ provides is a very high level of immersion. When you really get focused on the movie that you are watching or the game that you are playing it can really become immersive because the video image is the only thing that you can see.

As far as the blurry images I also have that issue although I have found that if I loosen the back straps just a little bit the image gets a little clearer although some blurriness is still there in the corners. I use it in my reclining theater chair so I don't have to have the straps real tight to keep the unit on. I have found that with most games this is not an issue until you go to a menu screen that has a lot of text on it and even then it is playable but annoying at times depending on the font size. In movies this has been a non-issue.

I am really curious to read hands on reports of the upcoming ST1080 product to see how it compares on this blurriness issue.

I feel like this blurriness issue I am getting could be fixed if the slider didn't have set notches but just slide from side to side and then you locked it in place. Maybe even allow them to slide independently would help me alot, when I close one eye I can see the image perfect but the other seems just slightly off. I thought I had perfect vision but maybe this isn't the case lol.
post #2205 of 3370
in my case, when i close one eye i can see 80% of the screen sharp with left or right (depends wich eye i close) side blurred.

some games have the screen adjustment (bf3 does), so you can move all your hud to non-blurred area. helps a lot.

i highly recommend turning on the 3d vision crosshair, as it's more accurate when playing in 3D mode.
post #2206 of 3370
That is an interesting thing to note about bf3 because bf3 is what I was gonna go test it on first lol. Good to note.
post #2207 of 3370
subst8 . I just got mine this morning, after some playing with it i watched 7 Wonders of the solar system and i dont know how this rates 3d wise but it was very good once i settled to this being on my head , one part with a dolphin i could of kissed it on the nose , I did find lots of light getting in even with the light blockers , so i covered my head with a towel and this made the effect that much better , not ideal but i dont mind for now.

I have been doing some more playing with it to try and sort out the blurry edges and i have changed to the small pad and ajusted the spraps and the weight now feel as it is mostly on the pad and bearly touches my nose and i have it very clear at the edges now , i dont know how this will be comfort wise till i try another movie .
Hope you find it better after playing with it some more
post #2208 of 3370
I should be getting mine by next friday.
Should i need to buy a 1.4a hdmi or it comes with it?
any other things i need for the startup?
or to check anything if its defective.
post #2209 of 3370
Hi, I am a very satisfied Hmz-t1 user, but I encountered a very strange problem. When I am using Nvidia GTX 560 and 3dtv play to watch 3d video files with kmplayer, I can only use 1920x1080 resolution to get into 3d mode. When I switch to 1280x720, I got two screens on hmz-t1, and no 3d!

At 1920x1080, when I begin to play 3d files, the built-in hmz-t1 set up screen will show "3d mode off", and I see two screens with no 3d. Then I turn the 3d mode on with the hmz-t1 button, and it becomes 3d.

At 1280x720, when I begin to play 3d files, the built-in hmz-t1 set up screen will show "3d mode on", and I see two screens with no 3d. And I can't turn it into 3d mode even though the set up screen says "3d on".

I can now comfortably watch the 3d video clips at 1920x1080, but I really want to know why it does not work at 1280x720. I see everywhere it should be properly shown at 720p!
post #2210 of 3370
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Originally Posted by mohd2000 View Post

I should be getting mine by next friday.
Should i need to buy a 1.4a hdmi or it comes with it?
any other things i need for the startup?
or to check anything if its defective.

A short 1.4a HDMI cable come with it. 5 feet I think. If its length is enough for you, you just need a PS3 or 3D BD player and get amazing 3D that no other technologies can deliver right now.
post #2211 of 3370
Welp I decided to return it, after playing with it for hours yesterday and today I can't find the sweet spot. I really enjoy it but I wont accept any blurriness for $800, this is just for me though. I think my eyes are off or something because no matter how I try I get some bluriness and I am not willing to take the thing apart to make it work for me.

I also missed having two screens while gaming, and the fact of the smaller resolution. I bought the device to make PC gaming better but ended up missing more things than gaining. Ah well sony has a good return policy. I will be keeping up to date on this device though and hopefully the second version will be improved. Even then though I don't see me buying another one only for the fact I enjoy having multiple monitors.

Thanks for the advice everyone though.
post #2212 of 3370
bad for you dude.
i've seen 3 screens gaming rigs, and i think they are great for work! but not for gaming. i hate seeing the frame of the screen.. and the image looks so stretched.

hmz-t1 has it flaws, but i can't imagine going back to 24" led iiyama or 50" lg plasma to play. it's never going to be the same anymore.

maybe you should give yourself a little more time? i had the same feeling when i bought it, but i decided to keep it.
post #2213 of 3370
Hi I had same opinion as you at first until I modded it using welders helmet. I do not use any glue and it is completely reversible in 2 minutes. Result total comfort, no blurriness great sweet spot. I could wear it for 6 hours without discomfort sat up or lying down. If you want pics have a look back through the posts. It is slightly different now since I added elasticated rear band, similar to ST1080 but wider.
post #2214 of 3370
subst8, If you have a 30 day return policy, why don't you give it more time before returning it. You may change your mind after using it a bit more. Your choice of course but it sounds like you are giving up on it too quickly
post #2215 of 3370
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Originally Posted by SubSt8 View Post

Welp I decided to return it, after playing with it for hours yesterday and today I can't find the sweet spot. I really enjoy it but I wont accept any blurriness for $800, this is just for me though. I think my eyes are off or something because no matter how I try I get some bluriness and I am not willing to take the thing apart to make it work for me.

I also missed having two screens while gaming, and the fact of the smaller resolution. I bought the device to make PC gaming better but ended up missing more things than gaining. Ah well sony has a good return policy. I will be keeping up to date on this device though and hopefully the second version will be improved. Even then though I don't see me buying another one only for the fact I enjoy having multiple monitors.

Thanks for the advice everyone though.

SubSt8 - pal you are not alone regd the sweet spot issue - hmz is known for it's limitations regd. optics [small exit pupil] which is reason enough for me not to get it even for free!

what amazes me is that Sony which has best of engg. brains - yet it cannot design this perfectly and this another unknown company [SMD] has come up with 1080p HMD with huge exit pupil.

Seems SMD has done the homework right and is trying to succeed where everyone failed including Sony

BTW -

1)i have read reviews that OLEDs displays are not sharp enough and the image is seen behind the pixel grid - is it true ?

Truth be hold there is no HMD in the market for true VR gaming be it Sony /st1080 each with it's pros/cons but NOT perfect.


so my hope is with st1080 only and i am waiting when they start to ship without lag! although fov is less but i guess the image q is better than sony as long as i do not see the pixel grid or have screen door effect [small exit pupil] and latest 3D formats bilt-in as bonus - hehehe
post #2216 of 3370
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Originally Posted by ancjob View Post

SubSt8 - pal you are not alone regd the sweet spot issue - hmz is known for it's limitations regd. optics [small exit pupil] which is reason enough for me not to get it even for free!

hat amazes me is that Sony which has best of engg. brains - yet it cannot design this perfectly and this another unknown company [SMD] has come up with 1080p HMD with huge exit pupil.

Seems SMD has done the homework right and is trying to succeed where everyone failed including Sony

BTW -

1)i have read reviews that OLEDs displays are not sharp enough and the image is seen behind the pixel grid - is it true ?

Truth be hold there is no HMD in the market for true VR gaming be it Sony /st1080 each with it's pros/cons but NOT perfect.


so my hope is with st1080 only and i am waiting when they start to ship without lag! although fov is less but i guess the image q is better than sony as long as i do not see the pixel grid or have screen door effect [small exit pupil] and latest 3D formats bilt-in as bonus - hehehe

What amazes me is the fact that Sony had the ability and fortitude to produce the first mass consumer HD 720P discrete-3D capable HMD, and starting a market trend with a price of $799.00, with HDMI1.4 capability, a variety of 3D rendering formats, and with effective OLED architectural screens that are giving the best shadow detail I've ever experienced in a display. With so many 3D movies that have been released having dark atmosphere scenes, it really is a treasured gem that can only be satisfied with futuristic improvements.

Hoping that the LCDs of the the ST1080 render significant black detail. The Sharpness and a screen door effect form the Sony micro screens have been a non-issue.

Excitedly anticipating a 1080P comparison from the ST1080 and hoping it will show visual astonishment with the ever evolving improvement for the media.

Paul
post #2217 of 3370
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Originally Posted by ancjob View Post

SubSt8 - ...which is reason enough for me not to get it even for free!

Well... I guess different strokes for different folks.

What I have found:
1) Even with some edge blurriness, the hmz works very well for both movies and games. And the unique benefits (best immersion, superior 3d, etc.) far out-weigh the down-sides.

2) Also, a decent mod (welders or hard hat) that allows the removal of the forehead pad (putting the eyes much closer to the lenses) results in a completely sharp image.

Frankly (in hindsight), considering the unique high-quality enjoyment the hmz has provided me over the last few months, I would've readily paid much more than $800 for it! Just please don't tell Sony that - they might raise the price on the next model.
post #2218 of 3370
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Originally Posted by kixpress View Post

bad for you dude.
i've seen 3 screens gaming rigs, and i think they are great for work! but not for gaming. i hate seeing the frame of the screen.. and the image looks so stretched.

hmz-t1 has it flaws, but i can't imagine going back to 24" led iiyama or 50" lg plasma to play. it's never going to be the same anymore.

maybe you should give yourself a little more time? i had the same feeling when i bought it, but i decided to keep it.

You misunderstand I use multiple monitors but only one monitor for the game. My second monitor has my browser and ventrillo. I play single player games, but the majority of my time I spend playing multiplayer games. Even in single player games I like to talk to friends. I also stream and having a second monitor with chat open from the stream is nice so I can respond to questions or anything. So while the HMZ is pretty cool, it's not worth the price tag to me. I would have kept it gladly if it was a $200 price tag, not saying I have $200 to throw around but for that price it would match what I would use it for.

Either way, I look forward to the future of these devices, when they become more main stream (if ever) and cheaper I will probably pick one up for other uses then what I had intended (such as console gaming and movie viewing)

If someone asked me my over all rating on these? An easy 7 out of 10, needs better comfort and a more in depth customization (such as removing the ear pieces to use your own head set, allowing the eye adjustments to have a larger area and separate from each other.) Along with a more appropriate price tag of around $400-500.

Just my two cents.
post #2219 of 3370
I have only had this since Friday and spent many hours with it , changing the forehead pads and unlike most i have ended up with the large one, this works perfectly for me and is more confortable, I am totally blown away with the image quallity and the 3d i must say i have never seen it so good , as said its like being in the cinema alone but better because the picture quallity and the 3d is even better .
Phil
post #2220 of 3370
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

What amazes me is the fact that Sony had the ability and fortitude to produce the first mass consumer HD 720P discrete-3D capable HMD, and starting a market trend with a price of $799.00, with HDMI1.4 capability, a variety of 3D rendering formats, and with effective OLED architectural screens that are giving the best shadow detail I've ever experienced in a display. With so many 3D movies that have been released having dark atmosphere scenes, it really is a treasured gem that can only be satisfied with futuristic improvements.

Hoping that the LCDs of the the ST1080 render significant black detail. The Sharpness and a screen door effect form the Sony micro screens have been a non-issue.

Excitedly anticipating a 1080P comparison from the ST1080 and hoping it will show visual astonishment with the ever evolving improvement for the media.

Paul


agreed 100% The HMZ is not perfect by any means but it is a stellar first effort from Sony and will hopefully lead to future improved models from Sony and other affordable HMDs from other companys. I really hope that the ST1080 can match the Sony in image quality with the added benefit of higher resolution, larger exit pupil and better comfort.
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