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post #301 of 3370
what are you using to play 3d bluray isos? HT(PC) with hdmi output? Or is there ways now for ps3 or WDTV/Popcorn like players to play these now?

Plan to use buying this as a double excuse to buy a new gaming pc too as mine is old as the hills now Something as beaut as this needs a step up from the 360/ps3, but if they can play on the ps3 then its always a bonus in the meantime while I buy and configure a new pc (If I can ever get my hands on one of these)
post #302 of 3370
I've got an Nvidia gt 430 and I use either Power DVD 11 or Arcsoft Total Media Theater 5.

I built my HTPC for like 400.00.
post #303 of 3370
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

How would you guys compare the pixel grid structure to scan lines that are visible with Passive 3D TV's? Even though I can see the scan lines, I still prefer the image with passive because of the lack of ghosting and brightness. Is it better or worse then a passive (or should I say, what is more noticeable, or annoying)

No comparison, the OLED pixel grid structure is microscopically smaller compared to the Passive 3D TV's scan lines which are much more visible at a normal viewing distance.

Paul
post #304 of 3370
Just confirming; Nvidia 3d Play drivers do not yet work with this? (I did see a post that DDD drivers do).
post #305 of 3370
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Originally Posted by jasonmvt View Post

Hi guys. Got my HMZ-T1 today and have had a few hours to play with it. I've read through this thread and the various impressions and thought my $.02 might help someone trying to decide whether or not to purchase.

To start off, I absolutely love the quality of the image. I was concerned that 720p so close to my eyes would show each and every pixel. That's not the case here at all. You can see a structure to the pixels if you take your focus off of the on-screen material and direct your attention to it, but you definitely have to try, and even then they're not easy to spot. It doesn't distract at all. Colors are vivid and bright, black is truly black, and motion is smooth and ghost-free. I'm not sure how well it would pass test patterns and calibration discs, but it was so much better than I expected for what it is, I doubt I'll pursue finding any wrinkles.

The headphones seem decent. They do the job just fine, play loudly and clearly with some level of bass. I'm not someone to crank up headphones, but I find no reason to complain, again given the immersion the entire system is providing. I have heard better applications of surround in headphones before however, but I am more used to the Dolby approach so my ears may just need to 're-learn' the directional clues of Sony's system before I know where the helicopter flying over is without seeing it, so to speak.

But I have to get to the parts that made me post here in the first place, and what I felt varied from what I have read in this thread, to my own experience: The 3D and the fit of the viewer itself.

I currently own 2 3D HDTV's, a 3D PC monitor, a Fuji 3D camera, a 3DS even, and a 3D projector. I've used 3D Blu-ray, gamed in 3D on a pc, a PS3, and an Xbox 360. Been an avid 3D fan and user for years now, experienced several different 3d headsets, and was an extremely early adopter of most of this technology. I have no technical a/v background, but probably have as much as experience as a hobbyist can get with such a thing. So it pains me to say that the 3D on this device is absolutely weak. I can certainly tell when it's in 3D mode, and aside from a few brief moments here and there, it is not impressive at all. I took it through a small tour of some of the 3D PS3 games I have, and it was a little disappointing. Motorstorm Apocalypse, Killzone 3, Mortal Kombat, Tumble, Super Stardust, NBA, The Show, Tron, Crysis 2, - all were very underwhelming. I even tried Motorstorm 3D Rift, which normally can start to make me queasy after 20 minutes, the depth is so intense on my plasma- but not the case here. It did produce the most depth of the bunch, but still nothing that would make you say "wow" like it has in the past. No ghosting at all, which was great, but I would never choose to experience a game in 3d for the first time this way.

The low perception of depth in 3D mode is a definite minus for me, but the deal breaker, and the reason I will probably see how I can return them to Sony, is the way the unit fits on my head. I'm not sure if I have a difficult size or shape to my head, but the fit is so much worse than I imagined. I have been through every adjustment, again each time using each forehead piece, and it's impossible to feel comfortable. It either mashes down so heavy on your nose it hurts, or, it crushes against your forehead so hard it also hurts. This presents another issue related to the fit: There's a definite "sweet spot" to looking through the eye pieces. If you are off to the left, right, top, or bottom, the opposite edge will either become blurry (mostly left to right alignment) or the top or bottom becomes obscured. Something I could deal with if I didn't either feel like I'd been punched in the nose after 15 minutes, or that my head was in a vice grip, or both. It's just not happening for me. Maybe it's partially the weight, although it seems reasonable for what you're getting, and I've had heavier headsets on in the past and not felt like this. So far this has completely soured the entire experience, and if I can't find a solution soon, I will have to move on.

So not to disagree with anyone who has posted already, each of us has their own perspective and opinions. I just wanted to let you know mine, from someone who was literally speeding home to get to play with my new toy, and who is now sitting here typing up an internet forum post instead of enjoying it.

Thanks for sharing this.
post #306 of 3370
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

For those that have the Panasonic Blu-ray 3D demonstration disc. The "Coral Wonderland" segment located in the 'Fun Contents' section of the menu is a Full HD 3D sample that was recorded in native 720P. All I can say is that I've never experienced the 3D quality of being underwater, short of being there more than with this Sony HMD. My 65" Panasonic Viera series VT25 3D set doesn't reveal the total detail that this little headset does. I now see small plankton floating in the water which makes the water depth and variable liquid denseness into the distance phenomenal! The tropical fish, both in schools and going in and out of the coral crevices are now seen with total realistic immersion. I never had that experience with the VT25. It makes me want to take a breath of air it looks so real. All 3D segments on the demonstration disc, either authored in 1080P or 720P have noticeable quality improvement.


AVATAR on Blu-ray 3D has also improved. Depth in the theater was not as good or on my 65" VT25 Plasma.

The HMD is definitely a keeper.

Paul

Paul how does the 3D quality of HMZ T1 compare to F 3D ?
post #307 of 3370
I'm quite jealous reading all of the first impressions on here - Sony Germany doesn't even accept preorders yet, Sony USA won't ship internationally and third-party dealers won't be getting any for months, so I'm still trying desperately to get my hands on a pair.

I run a blog dedicated to PC 3D gaming with the HMZ-T1 (check it out at hmz3dgaming.blogspot.com or follow my twitter @hmz3dgaming) but can't even continue running the blog at this point without a unit to test, which really sucks for me...

For all you guys disappointed with yours or who have an extra pair that they might be willing to sell, I'd be more than happy to pay you a nice premium for your efforts and take care of all the shipping and handling, your help would be very much appreciated - please send me a PM or email me at hmz3dgaming(at)gmail.com, I'm really hoping that there's a way I can keep up the blog and not have to wait until January 2012 to get one!
post #308 of 3370
I am dying for one myself. I am quite upset with Sony over this. Here in my city in Japan we were told Nov 11th is the release date and we can pick it up in stores. But instead, they had preorders and still advertised we can pick this up Nov 11th.

And wouldn't you know, I can't get one anywhere here. All stores claim I have to preorder and wait till Jan or Feb to get it. Screw that! Sony should have made enough of these damn things to supply. They did the same with the PS2 I remember back when it came out, not enough to supply and people got mad. They advertised this product for a Nov 11th release yet can't supply. Seems they can't supply anywhere worldwide, shame on them. iPhone 4S, iPAD 2 were popular yet I could get those the day they came out, despite 1,000's waiting in lines to get them. Yet Sony can't supply this item for people? Come on...
post #309 of 3370
and these are probably way less popular than an ipad.....My ship date seems to be between the 18th and 21s. I'm keeping my fingers crossed because at this rate it seems the alternative is 2012.
post #310 of 3370
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

I am dying for one myself. I am quite upset with Sony over this. Here in my city in Japan we were told Nov 11th is the release date and we can pick it up in stores. But instead, they had preorders and still advertised we can pick this up Nov 11th.

And wouldn't you know, I can't get one anywhere here. All stores claim I have to preorder and wait till Jan or Feb to get it. Screw that! Sony should have made enough of these damn things to supply. They did the same with the PS2 I remember back when it came out, not enough to supply and people got mad. They advertised this product for a Nov 11th release yet can't supply. Seems they can't supply anywhere worldwide, shame on them. iPhone 4S, iPAD 2 were popular yet I could get those the day they came out, despite 1,000's waiting in lines to get them. Yet Sony can't supply this item for people? Come on...

My biggest issue with this is the charade that Amazon and Best Buy were going to get these. We all know Best Buy had that big training manual instructing employees how to properly demonstrate the unit. If Sony could only supply a couple hundred to their websites, why even pretend this was going to be anything other than an extremely limited run for 2011?


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Originally Posted by ds445 View Post

I'm quite jealous reading all of the first impressions on here - Sony Germany doesn't even accept preorders yet, Sony USA won't ship internationally and third-party dealers won't be getting any for months, so I'm still trying desperately to get my hands on a pair.

I run a blog dedicated to PC 3D gaming with the HMZ-T1 (check it out at hmz3dgaming.blogspot.com or follow my twitter @hmz3dgaming) but can't even continue running the blog at this point without a unit to test, which really sucks for me...

For all you guys disappointed with yours or who have an extra pair that they might be willing to sell, I'd be more than happy to pay you a nice premium for your efforts and take care of all the shipping and handling, your help would be very much appreciated - please send me a PM or email me at hmz3dgaming(at)gmail.com, I'm really hoping that there's a way I can keep up the blog and not have to wait until January 2012 to get one!

Haha. I RSS'd your site quite a while ago. It's so lonely in my feed. Never updated. Hope you get one soon.
post #311 of 3370
Here's something cool I discovered this morning while I had my HMZ-T1 connected to my laptop. I can view YouTube 3D video content! I wasn't able to do this before with my HP Envy 17 3D as I can only view 3D content with the active shutter glasses when using supported apps like Total Media Theater, PowerDVD 11 Ultra, TriDef, not while i"m viewing YouTube videos in IE/Chrome. Here's how to do it if you have your HMZ-T1 hooked up to your PC/laptop over HDMI.

Go to one of the 3D videos up on YouTube. Here's a nice one I found...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDQ3rmEeKN8

Select 1080p resolution at the bottom of the YouTube video window. Just to the left of the resolution selector, you'll see a 3D icon. Click it to select your 3D viewing method. I chose side-by-side with half-width. Start playing the video in full-screen mode. The HMZ-T1 will not automatically detect you're viewing a 3D video on YouTube (you'll see the video playing in split-screen view), so you need to bring up the 3D settings menu on your HMZ-T1 and change the '3D Display' setting to 'Side by Side'. This forces 'Sde by Side' 3D mode. Exit the menu. You should now be viewing the YouTube video in glorious 3D! When you're done viewing the 3D content, change back the 3D Display setting to 'None'.

edit: wow, there's some really cool 3D video content out there on YouTube. Here's a nice 3D timelapse video I just finished watching. Amazing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYx8uLz_P1I

Hint.. there's a 3D checkbox in YouTube's search filters, so you can search and only return videos in 3D. I might seriously consider buying a 3D HD camcorder now. Sony just came out with a couple of digtial HD 3D binoculars. A bit pricey though at $1300 and $2000.
post #312 of 3370
There's more online 3D video content compatible with the HMZ-T1's 'Side by Side' 3D mode over at http://www.3dvisionlive.com/3d_video
post #313 of 3370
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Originally Posted by PhoenixCoyote View Post

Here's something cool I discovered this morning while I had my HMZ-T1 connected to my laptop. I can view YouTube 3D video content! I wasn't able to do this before with my HP Envy 17 3D as I can only view 3D content with the active shutter glasses when using supported apps like Total Media Theater, PowerDVD 11 Ultra, TriDef, not while i"m viewing YouTube videos in IE/Chrome. Here's how to do it if you have your HMZ-T1 hooked up to your PC/laptop over HDMI.

Go to one of the 3D videos up on YouTube. Here's a nice one I found...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDQ3rmEeKN8

Select 1080p resolution at the bottom of the YouTube video window. Just to the left of the resolution selector, you'll see a 3D icon. Click it to select your 3D viewing method. I chose side-by-side with half-width. Start playing the video in full-screen mode. The HMZ-T1 will not automatically detect you're viewing a 3D video on YouTube (you'll see the video playing in split-screen view), so you need to bring up the 3D settings menu on your HMZ-T1 and change the '3D Display' setting to 'Side by Side'. This forces 'Sde by Side' 3D mode. Exit the menu. You should now be viewing the YouTube video in glorious 3D! When you're done viewing the 3D content, change back the 3D Display setting to 'None'.

edit: wow, there's some really cool 3D video content out there on YouTube. Here's a nice 3D timelapse video I just finished watching. Amazing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYx8uLz_P1I

Hint.. there's a 3D checkbox in YouTube's search filters, so you can search and only return videos in 3D. I might seriously consider buying a 3D HD camcorder now. Sony just came out with a couple of digtial HD 3D binoculars. A bit pricey though at $1300 and $2000.

Nice I was actively searching for some free 3D contents I can use to demo on the HMD (in anticipation of its arrival next week *fingers crossed*)
Great to hear I can get some more than decent material from YouTube.
post #314 of 3370
Isn't this pretty awesome news? The HMZ-T1 can handle SBS content on its own. This means that content like COD for the 360, or 3D SBS MKVs on the net will work as well.

Sweet!

Now if only they'd ship mine out
post #315 of 3370
If you want more 3D content, why not just buy the monoprice 3D Creator ($100) and convert everything to 3D SBS?
post #316 of 3370
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Originally Posted by avmaxfan View Post

Paul how does the 3D quality of HMZ T1 compare to F 3D ?

3D on the Sony F 3D laptop is in full 1080P HD 3D resolution and is my logic to the reason it produces the best rendering 3D image I have experienced on any single-view display, bar none. The 3D quality of the HMZ T1 is "discrete" and I don't think there will be anything that beats that technology short of Holography and is my preference for 3D. For clarity, sharpness, and best picture, I'd have to pick the 1080P F 3D, but for 3D quality in real-world convergence, I pick the two 720P Oleds without reservation.

Reasons for picking the HMZ-T1 for 3D viewing:
Filtering from glasses degrades light & clarity from the darkest images in any format with no exceptions. Also, the darkest image environments, like in "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 (3D)" is rendered natively and as good as any 2D cinema screening I have experienced.

1080P will only make things better in future models and IMHO, future 1080P OLED's will easily surpass the F 3D's OCB LCD panel rendering aspects.

Paul
post #317 of 3370
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

3D on the Sony F 3D laptop is in full 1080P HD 3D resolution and is my logic to the reason it produces the best rendering 3D image I have experienced on any single-view display, bar none. The 3D quality of the HMZ T1 is "discrete" and I don't think there will be anything that beats that technology short of Holography and is my preference for 3D. For clarity, sharpness, and best picture, I'd have to pick the 1080P F 3D, but for 3D quality in real-world convergence, I pick the two 720P Oleds without reservation.

Reasons for picking the HMZ-T1 for 3D viewing:
Filtering from glasses degrades light & clarity from the darkest images in any format with no exceptions. Also, the darkest image environments, like in "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 (3D)" is rendered natively and as good as any 2D cinema screening I have experienced.


1080P will only make things better in future models and IMHO, future 1080P OLED's will easily surpass the F 3D's OCB LCD panel rendering aspects.

Paul

This is kind of contradictory though isn't it? Being LCD based with shutter glasses and your admission of what that entails (tremendous loss of light out, very poor dark content detailing, crosstalk, low contrast, ect...) it seems, by definition, impossible for the F series laptop to be better in any respect. Even the resolution advantage is going to be greatly diminished (if not rendered completely moot) by most of the other concessions. In my experience, 1080p and 720p FP 3D become very difficult to tell apart due to the low light output, crosstalk, and subtle flickering (if you happen to be susceptible).
post #318 of 3370
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Originally Posted by Orta View Post

This is kind of contradictory though isn't it? Being LCD based with shutter glasses and your admission of what that entails (tremendous loss of light out, very poor dark content detailing, crosstalk, low contrast, ect...) it seems, by definition, impossible for the F series laptop to be better in any respect. Even the resolution advantage is going to be greatly diminished (if not rendered completely moot) by most of the other concessions. In my experience, 1080p and 720p FP 3D become very difficult to tell apart due to the low light output, crosstalk, and subtle flickering (if you happen to be susceptible).

It would be contradictory and I would agree if I were referring to the majority of 3D consumer single-image displays. The Vaio F 3D is unique in that it has NVIDIA PC technology combined with Sony's proprietary active 3D technology. The screen and glasses are also used in Sony's high-end professional lines. My description of the Loss of light from the glasses is that they have extremely subtle light loss. The 3D screen is high contrast with minimal ghosting to none that I notice. It has very accurate color rendition and produces an incredible visual experience. You would have to experience one or take the word of others who use one to be aware of the difference in what is available for consumers as a high-quality 3D display.

Paul
post #319 of 3370
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Originally Posted by Paul33993 View Post

My biggest issue with this is the charade that Amazon and Best Buy were going to get these. We all know Best Buy had that big training manual instructing employees how to properly demonstrate the unit. If Sony could only supply a couple hundred to their websites, why even pretend this was going to be anything other than an extremely limited run for 2011?

I completely agree - same goes for other third-party dealers taking preorders (and already charging them in full!) who know they won't be supplied until early 2012...


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Originally Posted by Paul33993 View Post

Haha. I RSS'd your site quite a while ago. It's so lonely in my feed. Never updated. Hope you get one soon.

Leave it in there, I promise to post tons of updates as soon as I actually have something to post about... *sigh*
post #320 of 3370
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Originally Posted by Midnight Tboy View Post

what are you using to play 3d bluray isos? HT(PC) with hdmi output? Or is there ways now for ps3 or WDTV/Popcorn like players to play these now?

I am using a new media streamer called the Himedia 900B which can handle streaming 3D blurays. The cool part is that is has the ability to just start playing the movie without BS of the front menu, previews, etc.

I was using a popcorn hour C200 and A110 + my media center HTPC w/ Nvidia GT430 to play 3D blurays, but now use the HiMedia 900B exclusively for 2D and 3D use since it's faster to jump between movies.

http://www.futeko.com/products/MP00031.php
post #321 of 3370
thanks, I'll check out that player....looks good to finally replace my Popcorn A110. Will research into it to see how menus etc are.

Main concern is in the link it says only certain BD isos will give full menus, others custom menus....so will have to check more into that.....will searcch out of thread tho to keep it on topic I have an Onkyo 607 receiver too which I on't believe supports 3d, so have to see if it can passthrough, or may have to replace that too

really wish I coulddecide what to do. £800 is a lot to pay when still no guarantee before xmas. And if much delay I'm off to US in May anyway so could get it for lots cheaper. Sister living in singapore I thought was the ideal solution but can't even get it on sonys website there which I'm surprised
post #322 of 3370
Well I received a phone call from Sony today with an "update". They are stating that my viewer is still shipping on the 21st. better late, than 2012 right?
post #323 of 3370
Has anyone tried 3D from a Macbook Pro?

If so, what Mini Displayport to HDMI adapter do you use?

-Pie
post #324 of 3370
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Originally Posted by EatingPie View Post

Has anyone tried 3D from a Macbook Pro?

If so, what Mini Displayport to HDMI adapter do you use?

-Pie

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I haven't tried it with the hmzt1 since I don't have mine yet but it worked fine for SBS on my tv. It said thunderbolt but I have a mid-2010 and I am able to use it just fine.
post #325 of 3370
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Originally Posted by EatingPie View Post

Has anyone tried 3D from a Macbook Pro?

If so, what Mini Displayport to HDMI adapter do you use?

-Pie

I would like to know, as well. I'm using a 2009 Mac Mini with DVI-to-HDMI and the HMZ-T1 doesn't recognize it. Tried both 720p, 1080p and standard computer configurations.

But I just realized this Mac also has a mini displayport out, which I've never used; so maybe with that I can get the HMZ to like it. Not that I need to, but would be a nice novelty.
post #326 of 3370
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Originally Posted by emans View Post

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I haven't tried it with the hmzt1 since I don't have mine yet but it worked fine for SBS on my tv. It said thunderbolt but I have a mid-2010 and I am able to use it just fine.

That would only be good for the video. You would need something like the Mini DisplayPort+Toslink Audio to HDMI Adapter for both Audio & Video on the Mac Pro to transfer via HDMI to the Sony HMD.

Edit: it states on the back of the package: "It allows users to enjoy perfect image and sound on HDTV."
post #327 of 3370
Not interested in Gamin on PC or consoles....as there are no decent headsets for PC gaming - either image q or the optics are poor....unless a great headset comes along - i'd keep my self away from PC/console gaming...


i need this for 2D movies and 3D blu-rays only....
i have asrock ion 3d blu-ray nettop [ http://www.asrock.com/nettop/overvie...%203D%20Series ] - want this to be hooked up to it....
i have Headplay and emagin z800 but emagin z800 cannot be configured on this nettop - currently managing with headplay PCS which is 'Generic plug'n'play' for the nettop ...

hoping thet HMZ-T1 will be a nice upgrade from headplay...

Has anybody tried hooking up Asrock ion 3d blu-ray nettop with Sony HMZ-T1....via HDMI ?
post #328 of 3370
Would that work to view 3D content if it is only HDMI version 1.3 and not 1.4b
post #329 of 3370
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

That would only be good for the video. You would need something like the Mini DisplayPort+Toslink Audio to HDMI Adapter for both Audio & Video on the Mac Pro to transfer via HDMI to the Sony HMD.

Edit: it states on the back of the package: "It allows users to enjoy perfect image and sound on HDTV."

Mini DisplayPort | Thunderbolt to HDMI Adapter w/ Audio Suppor
post #330 of 3370
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Originally Posted by emans View Post

Mini DisplayPort | Thunderbolt to HDMI Adapter w/ Audio Suppor

It has audio support but where is the audio going to come from on the Macbook Pro? Does the Mini Display port have audio output?

Paul

Edit: Ah I see that it states: This product will support audio on Mac computers capable of outputting audio through mini-displayport.
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