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post #3151 of 3364
My headphone are not run through the HMZ control box. I use the optical audio out from the source. I thought at some point I may open it up again and add a plug to the headphone connectors on the board so I could use any regular stereo headphones if I wanted, much like what the T2 will offer having removable ear buds.
post #3152 of 3364
Ah I got ya, pretty cool
post #3153 of 3364
I got my headset from a forum member on Saturday and finally had some time the last couple nights to mess with it. Unfortunately, I started to rip the lower rubber strap while test fitting the unit to my head. I went to Home Depot last night and found some latex tubing in the plumbing aisle that is very stretchy and pliable so I bought some of that. I tore the rubber strap off and cut a section of tubing to size. I melted a hole in the left support arm and the inner diameter of the tubing allowed me to slip it right over the arm. I secured the left side with a plastic tab I found at work, poked it through the tubing and the hole then melted the tab on the back side. The tubing just slides over the right support arm as the loop on the end of the arm holds the tubing tight. I might secure the tubing with a couple wire ties eventually as well. The tubing is much more comfortable and doesn't pull on your hair.



As for my thoughts with the unit after a couple days, I like it. I must have been lucky but I didn't have any major issues getting the unit to fit right but it is still lacks some comfort so I might have to look at adding a head strap. I have a slight amount of blurring at the edges but nothing noticeable during a movie so I might eventually take them apart and remove the gear so I can have the independent lens movement. The light reflection on the lens are somewhat distracting, I will have to see if there is anything that can be done with that. I noticed that I do suffer from eye fatigue using them for awhile though, I am hoping that will go away with usage. The 3d is good but I have to admit the 720P resolution is lacking and distracting for me. I have a PS Vita and love the screen on that so maybe I had too high of expectations. I would rather watch a movie on my 92" Mits DLP if I had the choice but the HMZ will be nice for bedroom or for travel. I have a portable Samsung blu ray player that outputs 3d so I can throw that in a bag with the HMZ/control box and have entertainment at my parents or in a hotel room.
post #3154 of 3364
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Originally Posted by Natrix1973 View Post

The light reflection on the lens are somewhat distracting, I will have to see if there is anything that can be done with that.
What's the source of light that's causing the unwanted reflection? External (ambient room light) or internal (the OLED screens themselves)?
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Originally Posted by Natrix1973 View Post

I would rather watch a movie on my 92" Mits DLP if I had the choice but the HMZ will be nice for bedroom or for travel.
How would you compare the perceived diagonal size of the HMZ to the your 92" projector? Bigger, smaller or the same?
post #3155 of 3364
I can say from sitting on my couch and looking at my gt750 projector with about space for a 96" picture then lifting my head to compare that the T1 looks about120 to 150 perceived.
post #3156 of 3364
I can say from sitting on my couch and looking at my gt750 projector with about space for a 96" picture then lifting my head to compare that the T1 looks about120 to 150 perceived.
post #3157 of 3364
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Originally Posted by DG25 View Post

What's the source of light that's causing the unwanted reflection? External (ambient room light) or internal (the OLED screens themselves)?
How would you compare the perceived diagonal size of the HMZ to the your 92" projector? Bigger, smaller or the same?

The light reflection on the edges of the lens are internal from the screens. It breaks the illusion of being in a big dark theater room with a huge screen. I think I read here that someone took theirs apart and painted the edges of the lens to get rid of the reflections.

I would say that the screen size of the HMZ looks somewhat bigger than the DLP TV, maybe like a 120" but it is hard to tell since there is no frame of reference with the HMZ screen.

I also used a calibration disk last night and I am more pleased with the image than in my previous post.
post #3158 of 3364
Don't forget that audio will also influence the perceived size of the screen. The stock headphones ruined it for me. Using higher quality headphones or my home theater speakers made a huge difference. I also use bass shakers with the headphones which gives the illusion of huge base. Also being in pitch dark is important.

As for the light inside the lenses, you will need to take the unit apart and paint the edges of the lenses black. Once you open it up you will see what to do. It reduces but doesn't eliminate the issue. I actually don't really notice it anymore. Actually the more I use hmz, the less I tend to notice the flaws.
post #3159 of 3364
Maybe some T1 owners could tell me, anyone tested it on PC, playing 3d games? Should i have any concerns? Everything works ok? I plan on buying very soon the T2 version, for using it with my PC and PS3 (movies and some games).
post #3160 of 3364
I sure can.

You will need to buy Nvidia's 3DTV play to enjoy 3D gaming on your PC using a HMZ-T1 / T2. The quality of the 3D far suppasses that of a standard 3DTV, essentially the 2 OLED screen setup eliminates ALL ghosting / crosstalk allowing you to enjoy games in 3D without unwanted side effects. The T1 / T2 will also allow you to push up your convergence settings much higher than a traditional 3D displays, which is a bonus smile.gif

Skyrim for one looks amazing in 3D on a HMD, I'd highly recommend buying a TrackIR so you can also enjoy looking around in the Skyrim world (all be it only mouse emulation), it's a truly breathtaking, immersive experience!

I enjoy 3D gaming so much on my T1 I can hardly bring myself to play in 2D anymore.

There is a downside, Nvidia are pretty useless at 3D compatibility, in reality there are not an abundance of "3D Ready" titles - however thanks to a team of dedicated modders, you can download patches for most popular new games, such as Dishonered and the Mass Effect titles. Just google Helix 3D fixes and you'll find their page.

PS3 3D is very limited in all honesty. Some games such as Killzone 3 and wipeout look fantastic, others look very "flat", such as Batman Arkham City. Mainly due to the lack of any real depth and convergence settings. On the PC, Batman AC in 3D is awesome and you have total controll of the 3D aspect of things due to 3DTV Play.

In summary, 3D gaming on the PC is much better than 3D on the PS3, if a PC version is available I'd choose it over the PS3 one any day. That's not to say there are no quality 3D titles for the PS3, just not as many as the PC.

I hope that helps smile.gif
post #3161 of 3364
Thanks. Do you think 560 TI is enough for most games, when playing in 3D on T1 / T2? I usually play on max settings, with AA enabled (2 or 4x), on my 1080p monitor.
post #3162 of 3364
Enabling 3D will put an extra strain on your hardware. I have a 580, so far everything has played fine on max settings for me.

If you loose any FPS try turning down your AA settings, enabling 3D often reduces the appearence of jaggies so is not needed as much.
post #3163 of 3364
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jqAtGabTWU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Thought I would re-post up the link to my most current mod with a follow up over here. Yes, there is no going back to stock but the fact that it's usable without any discomfort and perfect clarity is worth it. Since I made the video I was able to further modify the face shield strap which I mentioned bothering me in the video simply by cutting it out and replacing that section with the same soft nylon left over from the over the head camping strap. I then just re-wrapped the thin foam around it. Now it contours the upper forehead area perfectly so it's comfortable for extended use. No more pain or numb spots yet it fits snug enough to stay in place nicely. It also lets your face get enough ventilation.
Edited by FSP48 - 11/4/12 at 3:18am
post #3164 of 3364
@ Cylonsurfer... Sounds like you are using the same gaming choices as well. My system has a 560ti OC and seems to do pretty well but more HP is always a plus. I have come to the conclusion that the DDD drivers are simply better than 3dtvplay. Maybe not as convenient since you have to manually enable SBS but the depth and look of BF3 is amazing. I have mostly decided if I can get it on PC than that's the platform I'll buy for. PS3 titles need to be 3D or MOVE or only an exclusive for me to grab them. KillZone 3 is just awesome in the HMZ. with the MOVE gun or XIM Edge with g700 mouse and g13 gamepad stick or Nav controller which can now be used wireless with the XIME and an ASUS bt211 micro dongle.
Edited by FSP48 - 11/4/12 at 3:20am
post #3165 of 3364
Phone triple post...sorry
Edited by FSP48 - 11/4/12 at 2:39am
post #3166 of 3364
If anyone interested, I have a brand new Modded HMZ-T1, I modded: Separate IPS adjustment, no headphones, (makes it 20% lighter too) new set of straps/pads from Blazin3d.
PM me if interested, will ship internationally via EMS express, PayPal.
post #3167 of 3364
So I just tried to mod mine and removed the gear.

I put everything back together and my menu button doesn't work anymore. I can power it on and get to the "Welcome, please press Menu to continue" screen, but get no responses past this part. Also, I've just noticed that the display goes black after about ten seconds. Don't remember if that is normal on the welcome screen.

I've double checked to make sure the flexible connector from the buttons is properly seated.

Any ideas how I can fix this? I hope I haven't broken this...
Edited by suffah - 11/19/12 at 3:52am
post #3168 of 3364
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Originally Posted by suffah View Post

So I just tried to mod mine and removed the gear.
I put everything back together and my menu button doesn't work anymore. I can power it on and get to the "Welcome, please press Menu to continue" screen, but get no responses past this part. Also, I've just noticed that the display goes black after about ten seconds. Don't remember if that is normal on the welcome screen.
I've double checked to make sure the flexible connector from the buttons is properly seated.
Any ideas how I can fix this? I hope I haven't broken this...

You probably missed something, the thingy that holds the forehead cushion is an on/off button
If its not pressed the screen will turn off
Disassemble it again and check if it works, the cushion pad should click on a button that is connected to the mainboard
post #3169 of 3364
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Originally Posted by ViruzzX View Post

You probably missed something, the thingy that holds the forehead cushion is an on/off button
If its not pressed the screen will turn off
Disassemble it again and check if it works, the cushion pad should click on a button that is connected to the mainboard

That did the trick! Thank you very much. Somehow I overlooked that little switch.
post #3170 of 3364
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Originally Posted by suffah View Post

That did the trick! Thank you very much. Somehow I overlooked that little switch.

whats your PayPal email? Ill send a 25$ invoice for my services.
post #3171 of 3364
How do you stick the band to the forehead pad ????? Thanks!!!
post #3172 of 3364
Would you say 3D PC gaming on this is a more enjoyable 3D feeling than watching 3D movies (the ones that are filmed this way)? Is it really that immersive as i hope it to be? I know it doesn't have the FOV of Rift, so i'm not expecting that level, but still much better than 3d gaming on a monitor or big tv, i hope.

And one other question for those that played 3d pc games on this, do i have to set the in-game resolution to 720P, or just leave it at the default 1080P and let the HMZ box do the scaling? I'm imagining that if i let the hmz do the video scaling, that will introduce some additional input lag. Not to mention my video card that will work harder to render 3D 1080P (as opposed to just 720P). And if i play in 720P, maybe i can squeeze some higher AA settings, as i imagine that is a must for not seeing jaggies on such a large screen. Am i right?
post #3173 of 3364
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Originally Posted by DG25 View Post

Would you say 3D PC gaming on this is a more enjoyable 3D feeling than watching 3D movies (the ones that are filmed this way)? Is it really that immersive as i hope it to be? I know it doesn't have the FOV of Rift, so i'm not expecting that level, but still much better than 3d gaming on a monitor or big tv, i hope.
And one other question for those that played 3d pc games on this, do i have to set the in-game resolution to 720P, or just leave it at the default 1080P and let the HMZ box do the scaling? I'm imagining that if i let the hmz do the video scaling, that will introduce some additional input lag. Not to mention my video card that will work harder to render 3D 1080P (as opposed to just 720P). And if i play in 720P, maybe i can squeeze some higher AA settings, as i imagine that is a must for not seeing jaggies on such a large screen. Am i right?

I'd say stereo pc gaming was much more immersive than any 3d movie I've seen but then it should be as it's interactive. You can have the convergence way higher than any system that suffers from crosstalk. Also because you wear the unit on your head, especially if you black it out properly, it's far more immersive as you are not distracted by the real world and it really gives you a sense of being there in first person games. Sliding the hmz down over your eyes is like looking into another world sometimes. Head tracking I imagine would add so much more to this but I don't think many games support this so i haven't bothered to play with it yet.

For 3d vision I would recommend using 720p as 1080p is only at 24hz over hdmi and 3dvision seems to force vsync so while 1080p is sometimes playable it's generally way too choppy and definitely unplayable with a mouse. The drop to 720p is noticeable, especially if you are used to 1440p get ready to see lots of jaggies. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a way to downsample at a 3dvision resolution so you need to use a lot of AA. For me there is actually a loss of detail when switching from 1080p24 to 720p60 I don't know if this is something to do with the processing of the HMZ T1 as the panels are only 720p.
The tridef drivers allow 1080p SBS so you can get more resolution per eye. It also allows downsampling of higher resolutions to 720p60hz. I had a brief play with this but got a massive performance hit even at 720p compared to 3d vision and the 3d was poor on the games I tested. I understand that for some games it actually does a better job so you may want to double check.
Edited by kilobulb - 12/1/12 at 6:27am
post #3174 of 3364
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Originally Posted by kilobulb View Post

1080p is only at 24hz over hdmi
Is this a limitation of the HMZ hardware?
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Originally Posted by kilobulb View Post

and 3dvision seems to force vsync
So you're saying in any 3dvision enabled game i will have forced vsync ON? Doesn't this badly affects performance, if i can't get constant 60 fps? I only have one 560 ti video card. Maybe i'll upgrade, but i'm not sure yet.
post #3175 of 3364
I'm using the TriDef SBS for BF3 and it does a much better job IMHO. I just ended up getting both so whichever works better is the one to use.
post #3176 of 3364
I read back quite a few pages but I didn't see an answer to my questions. Im moving in a couple months and my new home wont have room for a projector and screen so i'm interested in this unit.

Can I use two of these at the same time? I use a ps3 with a sony 7.1 receiver with hdmi.
My current home theater is a 120" screen and I sit about 11-12' away. How will the size of the image compare? I don't have a local Sony store to test this unit out at.
It looks like I can use a different headset for audio. I have a Tritton headset that uses an optical cable. Can I use both at the same time? How about surround sound from my receiver?
post #3177 of 3364
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Originally Posted by DG25 View Post

Is this a limitation of the HMZ hardware?

So you're saying in any 3dvision enabled game i will have forced vsync ON? Doesn't this badly affects performance, if i can't get constant 60 fps? I only have one 560 ti video card. Maybe i'll upgrade, but i'm not sure yet.

HDMI currently only has the bandwidth to carry framepacked 1080p at 24hz so it will affect all any hdmi device. I'm not sure if it forces vsync exactly but there's no tearing and the frame rate is capped at the refresh rate when I use 3dvision.
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Originally Posted by FSP48 View Post

I'm using the TriDef SBS for BF3 and it does a much better job IMHO. I just ended up getting both so whichever works better is the one to use.

If you have both I take it you have a nvidia card? How do you find performance vs 3dvision? In Borderlands 2 I took a massive framerate hit using tridef vs 3dvision but I didn't experiment that much as I'd already faffed around too much and just went back to playing instead. Maybe I should revisit it, any other games where you prefer Tridef?
post #3178 of 3364
if anyone intrested im selling my T1 its like brand new with 2 year warranty .i live in Brooklyn New york .pm if intrested
post #3179 of 3364
Hello,
I received my Sony HMZ-T1 today and really having a problem setting it up. I just spent a small fortune on this project and really would like to get it all fixed.

I have a new gamming desktop with a Geforce GTX 650 graphic card, G25, Playseat and suround headphones. . It says Inno 3D on the graphic card box and I had no trouble setting my HMZ up on the PC. When the PC boots up it says 3D detected and using the calibration app I get good 3D on my HMZ. However, when I try to play F1 2012 or even watch youtube 3D content, I get a weird messed up picture. 2D is fine its just 3D that is not working.

I have tried everything I have read on the internet so far including playing around with the resolution but I can't get a 3D picture. Very frustrating.
If any kind soul has some ideas to try I would very much apreciate it.

Thanks for any advise!
post #3180 of 3364
Weird how? Does it show as anaglyphe. red\cyan?
If you only look through one eye is the picture ok?
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