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post #1891 of 10009
hey guys, just orderd the XS-30, cant wait to get it, i have Dual Epik Empires, i need to sell them, if anybody is interested, i live in the Saint Paul,MN are, cant wait to test it out vs an Empire.
post #1892 of 10009
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Originally Posted by Joshjp View Post

hey guys, just orderd the XS-30, cant wait to get it, i have Dual Epik Empires, i need to sell them, if anybody is interested, i live in the Saint Paul,MN are, cant wait to test it out vs an Empire.

Congrats!! You are gonna love it. How is the xt32 working out? The anti mode should be here monday
post #1893 of 10009
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Congrats!! You are gonna love it. How is the xt32 working out? The anti mode should be here monday
Thanks, i still gotta test XT-32 more, need to watch a bass movie today, you will love the AntiMode, beware its loud, turn your subs gain way down, try less then half way, and make shure nobody is home,Lol, cant wait to hear your impression of it.
post #1894 of 10009
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Congrats!! You are gonna love it. How is the xt32 working out? The anti mode should be here monday

FYI, Anti-Mode is not a stand-alone panacea. Used in combination with MultEQ XT, is a "HUGE" improvement. But from all I've read, XT32 renders Anti-Mode, moot.

(Advisory: anti-mode needs to be used with sound meter for pre-run gain matching and run before running Audyssey. Final outcome should be accompanied by judicious use of room measured manual subwoofer settings.)

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 3/30/13 at 10:08am
post #1895 of 10009
with all the positive thing i read about anti mode, even if im a newbie , ill buy one for sure once i get my sub! Anyway my rxa1010 will be happy to have this friend helping him tongue.gif
post #1896 of 10009
Can I use anti mode with my three xv15 s. two to one out put( y connector)and the other to 180 output?
post #1897 of 10009
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

FYI, Anti-Mode is not a stand-alone panacea. Used in combination with MultEQ XT, is a "HUGE" improvement. But from all I've read, XT32 renders Anti-Mode, moot.

(Advisory: anti-mode needs to be used with sound meter for pre-run gain matching and run before running Audyssey. Final outcome should be accompanied by judicious use of room measured manual subwoofer settings.)

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Well that's good then. U have the onkyo 809 with XT. So I'm excited!
post #1898 of 10009
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Originally Posted by brendelac View Post

Can anyone offer some insight on a pair of XV15s versus a single Funk Audio 18.1?

They would be approximately the same price for me being in Canada and having to pay more for cross-border fees. My living room is 14x20, but is very open and includes the kitchen and dining room which makes it more like 28x20. I have a FA 15.0 now and am happy with it, but really believe that either a second or larger sub would make enough difference to justify the expense. I would prefer to buy from Nathan as he is local and very helpful, but maybe the XV15s offer the better bang-for-my-buck.
anyone?
post #1899 of 10009
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Well that's good then. U have the onkyo 809 with XT. So I'm excited!

We're using a Marantz, SR5007, which yes, has MultEQ XT and there's a measurable difference with Anti-Mode in the sonic chain. But I've found that despite having two subs, Anti-Mode and Audyssey XT, we're still in need of a third subwoofer to smooth out a huge mid-bass sucking null in the 75Hz to 90Hz range.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 3/31/13 at 5:37pm
post #1900 of 10009
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Originally Posted by brendelac View Post

anyone?

In going with a single subwoofer, one is locked into any complications, one driver in a playback room provides. Two subs are better than one subwoofer and three subwoofers are better than two subwoofers for the purpose of smoothing out room modes.

If buying one 18.1 from Funk Audio, in my opinion, one must do so with one eye on buying a second or third subwoofer in the near future.

Before making such a large purchase, have you acquired room measuring capabilities to aid with accurate subwoofer setup?
post #1901 of 10009
The "u" was supposed to be an I. Damn iPad lol.

I was saying I have xt to go along with the antimode. So I should be good to go.

Cheers
post #1902 of 10009
I thought better of my comment and corrected it. Sorry on my part.
post #1903 of 10009
I'm in the very early stages of considering upgrading my SVS 16-46PC+ that I've enjoyed for years thanks to Tom V. Since Tom was so great helping me last time, my first inclination is to get something from his new company. While I'm happy with my SVS sub most of the time, occasionally it has bottomed out with movies with very strong, very low frequency content. Seems like modern movies contain more of this info than in the past.

The cylinder form of my current sub works very well in my room with its limited placement options (its in the corner near the left front speaker) so I was hoping we would see Power Sound come out with some cylinder models that would be a worthy upgrade. Since it doesn't appear that's happening, I'm looking at what's available in the current line.

I had a couple thoughts. Either one XV30 in the corner where my current sub resides (I get a good response from my SVS sub in this location even without EQ, which would be another upgrade I'm considering), or two XV15s, one in said corner and one beside the couch as an end table (would be a tight fit!). Thoughts?

For reference my room is a living room/dining room combo with a cathedral ceiling open to an upstairs landing; about a total of 5500 cubic ft.

Thanks.
post #1904 of 10009
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post



Before making such a large purchase, have you acquired room measuring capabilities to aid with accurate subwoofer setup?
negative.
post #1905 of 10009
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Originally Posted by brendelac View Post

negative.

Is that a no way, no how, negative or is that a negative you're willing to work on to make happen? confused.gif

FYI, I just finished lovingly coiling up the recording cables, put the measuring gear in their respective protective boxes and safely tucked them all into bed until needed the next time to come out and play. About three o'clock tomorrow afternoon, the WAF once again enters the living room and she doesn't like wires all over her living room. tongue.gif

(I must be lucky as she's very tolerant of these sorts of inconveniences)

Without measuring gear, there's zero chance of getting the best out of your system nor does one have a chance of understanding why they're not getting the best out of their subwoofer system. REW allows one, once acclimated to REW's user interface, to easily take (quite literally, point and click) acoustical measurements of a listening venue so one is able to easily see what's what with what as to how their subwoofer system is integrating with the room's acoustics.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 3/31/13 at 9:03pm
post #1906 of 10009
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

I had a couple thoughts. Either one XV30 in the corner where my current sub resides (I get a good response from my SVS sub in this location even without EQ, which would be another upgrade I'm considering), or two XV15s, one in said corner and one beside the couch as an end table (would be a tight fit!). Thoughts?

For reference my room is a living room/dining room combo with a cathedral ceiling open to an upstairs landing; about a total of 5500 cubic ft.

Thanks.

Hey now, fellow SAM1s owner! Going to follow suit again and end up with an XV15 or two now? wink.gif Maybe initially try one XV15 next to your main seat. After consulting Tom, and based on my listening habits and near field placement plans for the new sub, his recommendation is to go with a single XV15 (with a 2nd XV15 under future consideration) . I have an older a/d/s sub still kicking that I may or may not incorporate initially (certainly I can experiment and validate other people's opinions that more subs are better for room smoothing, or that two unequal subs can potentially compromise the better sub's performance, hence best to go with two or more identical units).

I have a very open great room, well over 6500 cu. ft. total -- 24' x 14' with 16 foot high ceilings, and it's adjacent to an 8 ft. opening into a 12'x14' entry foyer and another 8 ft. opening into a 15'x12' dining area with 8 ft ceilings. Also opens upstairs to the loft, sitting above the foyer, and 2nd floor that overhangs a small part of the great room. Open! My listening habits are 75% music/25% HT. I typically listen to music at 80dBs, sometimes cranking up to 90dB for very short periods. FYI: using my SPL meter, I hit 90dB at my main listening position at a volume level of -18 on the Yamaha RX-A3000 AVR. When watching bluray movies with a HD lossless soundtrack at the loudest level we enjoy, it's at -6. For TV viewing typical volume levels range from -25 to -15 depending on the content and surround mix.

So here's what Tom shared with me that clinched the initial purchase, given I was using a near field placement within 4 ft. of the MLP and placing the sub against a boundary wall: "In your room environment you could expect extension down to the 14-16hz range with clean output capabilities. If the subwoofer would be against one wall in your near-field scenario you can expect clean output capabilities of 115-124dB at the seats. This should give plenty of "headroom" to spare which is always a good thing of course. This way the subwoofer is always coasting. The bass will always have extremely low distortion and you'll have plenty of "reserve" if there is a sudden transient in the music or film that requires unusually loud output from the subwoofer."

I should receive my sub this week or next. Will share more once I get it setup and dialed in. Might even pick up a UMM-6 mic and get REW installed on the laptop so I can see how using dissimilar subs does affect the measurements. But initially I'm expecting to be into doing what everyone else here does when a new bass toy arrives, feeding my head and body a steady diet of bass heavy ear candy. biggrin.gif
post #1907 of 10009
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Originally Posted by ottoinct View Post

Hey now, fellow SAM1s owner! Going to follow suit again and end up with an XV15 or two now? wink.gif Maybe initially try one XV15 next to your main seat. After consulting Tom, and based on my listening habits and near field placement plans for the new sub, his recommendation is to go with a single XV15 (with a 2nd XV15 under future consideration) . I have an older a/d/s sub still kicking that I may or may not incorporate initially (certainly I can experiment and validate other people's opinions that more subs are better for room smoothing, or that two unequal subs can potentially compromise the better sub's performance, hence best to go with two or more identical units).

I have a very open great room, well over 6500 cu. ft. total -- 24' x 14' with 16 foot high ceilings, and it's adjacent to an 8 ft. opening into a 12'x14' entry foyer and another 8 ft. opening into a 15'x12' dining area with 8 ft ceilings. Also opens upstairs to the loft, sitting above the foyer, and 2nd floor that overhangs a small part of the great room. Open! My listening habits are 75% music/25% HT. I typically listen to music at 80dBs, sometimes cranking up to 90dB for very short periods. FYI: using my SPL meter, I hit 90dB at my main listening position at a volume level of -18 on the Yamaha RX-A3000 AVR. When watching bluray movies with a HD lossless soundtrack at the loudest level we enjoy, it's at -6. For TV viewing typical volume levels range from -25 to -15 depending on the content and surround mix.

So here's what Tom shared with me that clinched the initial purchase, given I was using a near field placement within 4 ft. of the MLP and placing the sub against a boundary wall: "In your room environment you could expect extension down to the 14-16hz range with clean output capabilities. If the subwoofer would be against one wall in your near-field scenario you can expect clean output capabilities of 115-124dB at the seats. This should give plenty of "headroom" to spare which is always a good thing of course. This way the subwoofer is always coasting. The bass will always have extremely low distortion and you'll have plenty of "reserve" if there is a sudden transient in the music or film that requires unusually loud output from the subwoofer."

I should receive my sub this week or next. Will share more once I get it setup and dialed in. Might even pick up a UMM-6 mic and get REW installed on the laptop so I can see how using dissimilar subs does affect the measurements. But initially I'm expecting to be into doing what everyone else here does when a new bass toy arrives, feeding my head and body a steady diet of bass heavy ear candy. biggrin.gif

Hey neighbor! Long time no hear!

Obviously we both have great taste in speakers and subs. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

I forgot you had an a/d/s sub. Which model? I still have an M3 that's just being used as a table (it has a gorgeous mahogany veneer finish). Given the SVS is a bit cleaner than the a/d/s, I've not used them together; didn't want to compromise the SVSs cleaner output.

I'd love to know how a single XV15 works out for you, especially given out similiar rooms and same speakers. Once I'm in a position to look more seriously, I plan on contacting Tom V. to get his take on what would work best in my room. I'm not sure if combining an XV15 with my SVS 16-46PC+ would be a good idea. I thought I remember reading something about it not being a good idea to run two vented subs with different tuning (the SVS is tuned to 16hz). Perhaps someone here could clarify this.

Maybe I need to invite myself over once you get set up. biggrin.gif
post #1908 of 10009
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

I forgot you had an a/d/s sub. Which model?

I have the ms3/u model I bought spanking brand new in '96 or so: http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/subwoofers/ads/ms3-u/prd_124770_2741crx.aspx

Fairly utilitarian in appearance being all dark gray. But it really has low miles on it and will get your heart racing a bit still playing WOTW pod emergence scene. For a 10" 150w ported box this thing is pretty robust. You wouldn't believe how loud, while still fairly controlled, it gets in my large room, just not hitting very hard at the low end, nor digging very deep. But I'm prepared for the increase in output, impact, range, and tightness today's designs bring.

Invite extended!
post #1909 of 10009
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Originally Posted by ottoinct View Post

I have the ms3/u model I bought spanking brand new in '96 or so: http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/subwoofers/ads/ms3-u/prd_124770_2741crx.aspx

Fairly utilitarian in appearance being all dark gray. But it really has low miles on it and will get your heart racing a bit still playing WOTW pod emergence scene. For a 10" 150w ported box this thing is pretty robust. You wouldn't believe how loud, while still fairly controlled, it gets in my large room, just not hitting very hard at the low end, nor digging very deep. But I'm prepared for the increase in output, impact, range, and tightness today's designs bring.

Invite extended!

Yep, bought mine new as well; looks the same as what I have, but not sure what the "u" means. Perhaps it's related to the finish? It's been a long time since I've heard mine. I keep thinking one day I'll use it in a second system.

Keep me posted about the XV15. I'm looking forward to hearing it!
post #1910 of 10009
after being almost certain to buy the PB13 ultra, however I decided to do a little more research. after reading up and then talking with Tom V. (certainly wish all companies had a clone of Tom) I am now 100% positive I want to go with PSA. my dilemma is only deciding between the dual XV15's or single V30? because of placement possibilities I am forced to have the subs at the rear portion of the room where the seating is. my main question would be: do you think that I would have as much "tactile response" with one V30 (positioned about 3 ft. to the left of the couch) as opposed to two v15's (one on each side) ? the room is 12 X 25, 8ft. ceiling, and tile floors.
post #1911 of 10009
I would say if your budget allows for it go with dual XV15's, they'd only have about a 1db advantage over a single XV30 but duals with help smooth out the bass and help with room modes and nulls.
post #1912 of 10009
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Originally Posted by buxfan View Post

after being almost certain to buy the PB13 ultra, however I decided to do a little more research. after reading up and then talking with Tom V. (certainly wish all companies had a clone of Tom) I am now 100% positive I want to go with PSA. my dilemma is only deciding between the dual XV15's or single V30? because of placement possibilities I am forced to have the subs at the rear portion of the room where the seating is. my main question would be: do you think that I would have as much "tactile response" with one V30 (positioned about 3 ft. to the left of the couch) as opposed to two v15's (one on each side) ? the room is 12 X 25, 8ft. ceiling, and tile floors.

Get the xs30 then if the room needs more add a second down the road. that's what I am going to do.
post #1913 of 10009
PSA XS-30 Ordered cool.gif
post #1914 of 10009
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Originally Posted by buxfan View Post

after being almost certain to buy the PB13 ultra, however I decided to do a little more research. after reading up and then talking with Tom V. (certainly wish all companies had a clone of Tom) I am now 100% positive I want to go with PSA. my dilemma is only deciding between the dual XV15's or single V30? because of placement possibilities I am forced to have the subs at the rear portion of the room where the seating is. my main question would be: do you think that I would have as much "tactile response" with one V30 (positioned about 3 ft. to the left of the couch) as opposed to two v15's (one on each side) ? the room is 12 X 25, 8ft. ceiling, and tile floors.
That's a tough one because of the nearfield placement. I would say go with the XV30 if you are only concerned about one seating position right next to the couch. If you need better coverage throughout your room go with the dual XV-15s for better response. Regardless of what I say, check with Tom...he will not steer you in the wrong direction. He is not a used car salesman and will not over sell you.
post #1915 of 10009
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Originally Posted by walke108 View Post

That's a tough one because of the nearfield placement. I would say go with the XV30 if you are only concerned about one seating position right next to the couch. If you need better coverage throughout your room go with the dual XV-15s for better response. Regardless of what I say, check with Tom...he will not steer you in the wrong direction. He is not a used car salesman and will not over sell you.

I spent the better part of the afternoon chatting with tom via emails( since I had the day off). He said go with the xs-30 over dual 15's. He also recommended the XS30 over the XV30 because it will have more mid bass output and extend lower. The XV30 however will have slightly more low end output. He also believes one quality sub will fill the room enough in most cases and a second is not going to offer much(that of course is when comparing the xs30 to 2 lesser subs). My room is a 20x15 with a 6ft opening to my foyer and den in the side. Check my thread for pics...
post #1916 of 10009
@Walke108, I have zero doubt in placing my utmost trust in Tom. its just difficult to get a true idea of what the actual sound/feel of subs of this nature (I have only experienced a klipsch sub12, and an even lesser velodyne model) will bring to my HT.
post #1917 of 10009
@basshead81, is a sealed sub more suited for music? that has been my prevailing thought. of course I am still am an idiot in this area lol. my listening preference is 70% movies 30 for music.
post #1918 of 10009
buxfan, here's a link to a worth while read on a users review of the XS30.
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/home-audio-subwoofers/64133-power-sound-audio-xs30-first-impressions.html
post #1919 of 10009
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Originally Posted by buxfan View Post

@basshead81, is a sealed sub more suited for music? that has been my prevailing thought. of course I am still am an idiot in this area lol. my listening preference is 70% movies 30 for music.

according to Tom the xs30 does both very well. the xv30 is going to offer slightly more output between 20-30hz but the xs30 will extend down to around 7hz. so yes the xv30 is taylored more towards home theatre but it also is the size of a end table. for me the xs30 was a clear winner for its size, output, flexability, and price.
post #1920 of 10009
@jbrown & basshead81, having owned and only hearing ported subs I am just nervous about any changes I might not care for. the one thing I picture in my mind happening is that with a ported sub one would get that kind "whoosh" of air movement. with a sealed sub (in my mind at least) that same response would not be present. as far as size I have the room to accommodate and quite like the idea of a massive sub box in the room that immediately grabs peoples attention. so the XV30 is not a problem there. I am still just down to the bare question. maybe someone here has a single V30 and around the same room measurements that I have. if so that person can let me know how much slam and shake they experience. much thanks to all that have chimed in, I am learning more.
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