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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

If you are happy with it, why spend more?....Then again, I was happy with my RW-12D, and now I want more LOL. So, I'm saving up for the XV-30 biggrin.gif

That's a good move. As much as the Klipsch is touted on this forum (it is a good deal).....it can't touch an XV-30 in all areas (Sound, build, esthetics, etc).

vardo
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So here's a Q for you guys...I've got a small HT (1530 cubic feet). I'm considering the xs30 because I prioritize extension and sound quality ahead of max spl.

From what I've read the xs30 should be able to give me plenty of output in that size room while offering the benefits of deeper extension and better accuracy associated with a sealed design. Is this assumption correct?

I hesitate because I use my room for 95% movies/Xbox. The consensus on this forum is to go vented for HT. But it seems to me that a sealed sub with that much power in a room my size could potentially offer the best of both worlds. To the contrary, what would a vented design in my price range (hsu vtf-15h, rythmik fv15hp, PSA xv30) be able to do better than the xs30 in a listening area that small?

Thanks in advance for any feedback!
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Originally Posted by JuEv0splash View Post

So here's a Q for you guys...I've got a small HT (1530 cubic feet). I'm considering the xs30 because I prioritize extension and sound quality ahead of max spl.

From what I've read the xs30 should be able to give me plenty of output in that size room while offering the benefits of deeper extension and better accuracy associated with a sealed design. Is this assumption correct?

I hesitate because I use my room for 95% movies/Xbox. The consensus on this forum is to go vented for HT. But it seems to me that a sealed sub with that much power in a room my size could potentially offer the best of both worlds. To the contrary, what would a vented design in my price range (hsu vtf-15h, rythmik fv15hp, PSA xv30) be able to do better than the xs30 in a listening area that small?

Thanks in advance for any feedback!
I'm still learning the ins and outs of subwoofers myself, but as I understand it, the XS30 is probably more than you need for room that size. An XS15 would probably be sufficient, but what is "enough" for one person may not be enough for the next. A vented sub will fill a larger spacer more easily, especially if it is placed in a corner and does provide more SPL, but can be subject to port noise and a lower quality of bass than compared with a sealed counterpart - although I do recall reading one of the AVS subwoofer shoot-out meetings where several distinguished bass-heads could not tell the difference between sealed and ported subwoofers when they were tested blindly.
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Originally Posted by JuEv0splash View Post

So here's a Q for you guys...I've got a small HT (1530 cubic feet). I'm considering the xs30 because I prioritize extension and sound quality ahead of max spl.

From what I've read the xs30 should be able to give me plenty of output in that size room while offering the benefits of deeper extension and better accuracy associated with a sealed design. Is this assumption correct?

I hesitate because I use my room for 95% movies/Xbox. The consensus on this forum is to go vented for HT. But it seems to me that a sealed sub with that much power in a room my size could potentially offer the best of both worlds. To the contrary, what would a vented design in my price range (hsu vtf-15h, rythmik fv15hp, PSA xv30) be able to do better than the xs30 in a listening area that small?

Thanks in advance for any feedback!

I have a similarly small HT and I upgraded from a vented 12" sub to a pair of XS15s. To me, the main difference is all about the slope of the rolloff. Where my ported sub was very flat down to about 18Hz, my XS15 pair get steadily quieter as they descend to very low frequencies. Because my room is small, I get a lot of gain at the low frequencies.

The result is that upper bass hits with more effect, and deep bass doesn't overwhelm everything else--it all sounds more neutral and more balanced now. I don't doubt that some users would prefer the heavier impact down low, or they might need it in larger rooms with less room gain. For me, it's meant that my master volume seems appropriate now across my system's entire range; it doesn't become hugely loud in the deep bass.

It's a matter of personal taste really, but I think that in small rooms, sealed subs are a better choice for neutrality across the spectrum.
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My xv15 shipped today. biggrin.gif
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My XV-30 SHIPPED TODAY
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Josh, you'll defiantly have to post a little mini review to compare it with the XS30 that you had.
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Originally Posted by Joshjp View Post

My XV-30 SHIPPED TODAY

Josh, why are you doing this to me, I have dual XS30s but just can't seem to get the 30s out of my head, then I read your post, thanks brother for the potential pocket book deflator:D
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Josh, you'll defiantly have to post a little mini review to compare it with the XS30 that you had.
I will, but i suck at writing reviews.
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Originally Posted by ahblaza View Post

Josh, why are you doing this to me, I have dual XS30s but just can't seem to get the 30s out of my head, then I read your post, thanks brother for the potential pocket book deflator:D
SORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY, if you like the XS-30's then keep em, they have a liitle more upper bass then the XV-30, like i said, if your happy just keep em, mayby PSA will release another sub soon.
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Originally Posted by ahblaza View Post

Josh, why are you doing this to me, I have dual XS30s but just can't seem to get the 30s out of my head, then I read your post, thanks brother for the potential pocket book deflator:D
SORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY, if you like the XS-30's then keep em, they have a liitle more upper bass then the XV-30, like i said, if your happy just keep em, mayby PSA will release another sub soon.
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Originally Posted by Joshjp View Post

SORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY, if you like the XS-30's then keep em, they have a liitle more upper bass then the XV-30, like i said, if your happy just keep em, mayby PSA will release another sub soon.

Lol! I must say I have always been a fan of sealed subs, but PSA's XV line is amazing...I love the 20-30hz range and they are still tight and musical! I hope they do not release another sub, I do not want to spend more money! biggrin.gif
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My XS15 shipped today. So many subs shipped today this thread should pick up... smile.gif
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My XS30 shipped Friday also...I should have it by Monday!
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Originally Posted by jafo818 View Post

My XS15 shipped today. So many subs shipped today this thread should pick up... smile.gif

You're in for a treat smile.gif Please do come back with your impressions.
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Man it's crazy to think about how many XS30's Tom and Jim have already sold since it was release in December! I would guess it's probably over 250 units now. eek.gif
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Thanks for the input guys. Although I apologize for slightly derailing the topic with my questions about my room. I will create a dedicated thread for additional help.

Thx again!
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I know some people should be getting there PSA sub today.....biggrin.gif
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yes I am waiting to hear everybodies feedback. smile.gif
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So for all of the PSA fans here I have a question. I've been looking at getting dual XV15's for my medium sized 2600 c/f room but the large size of the sub itself has had me thinking. I've always loved sealed subs so how about a pair of XS15' s instead? I'll only be using them for movies but from what I'm hearing they go almost as deep with a little less SPL but the mid bass is better & smoother. Any thoughts? Thanks! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Jim Cutter View Post

So for all of the PSA fans here I have a question. I've been looking at getting dual XV15's for my medium sized 2600 c/f room but the large size of the sub itself has had me thinking. I've always loved sealed subs so how about a pair of XS15' s instead? I'll only be using them for movies but from what I'm hearing they go almost as deep with a little less SPL but the mid bass is better & smoother. Any thoughts? Thanks! smile.gif

The mid bass is 1db less and the 20-30hz range is 3-4db less. I wouldnt say the midbass is better, the fr response will just be a slow descent down... depending on room gain the xs15 might extend lower, but im getting strong ouput down to 14hz with my xv15's. Like I said in your other thread you can always take the base plate off and lay them on thier side...that will save 2.5" and be around the same size as the xs15. For movies only in that size room you will appreciate the port tune that the xv line has.
Also I have yet to have one person say the subs look huge...actually the opposite for being a 15.

Now that being said do not be afraid to try xs15's as they will be a huge upgrade from your current sub...
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

The mid bass is 1db less and the 20-30hz range is 3-4db less. I wouldnt say the midbass is better, the fr response will just be a slow descent down... depending on room gain the xs15 might extend lower, but im getting strong ouput down to 14hz with my xv15's. Like I said in your other thread you can always take the base plate off and lay them on thier side...that will save 2.5" and be around the same size as the xs15. For movies only in that size room you will appreciate the port tune that the xv line has.
Also I have yet to have one person say the subs look huge...actually the opposite for being a 15.

Now that being said do not be afraid to try xs15's as they will be a huge upgrade from your current sub...

I called PSA & they said that the dual XS15 should be plenty of sub in my medium size room. I listen to my other room at no louder then -15 dB on my volume knob & at those levels he said I won't hear any difference. So now I'm leaning toward the XS15. I'm thinking that even the XS15 is more sub then I've ever owned so how much better is good enough? It's easy to get caught up in the numbers but every 10" sub I've owned to this point has rocked movies to me so a XS15 will probably blow me away!
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Originally Posted by Jim Cutter View Post

I called PSA & they said that the dual XS15 should be plenty of sub in my medium size room. I listen to my other room at no louder then -15 dB on my volume knob & at those levels he said I won't hear any difference. So now I'm leaning toward the XS15. I'm thinking that even the XS15 is more sub then I've ever owned so how much better is good enough? It's easy to get caught up in the numbers but every 10" sub I've owned to this point has rocked movies to me so a XS15 will probably blow me away!

You will be happy either way...Like I said before I am the type that wants to maximize my dollars spent. quite a few PSA customers on this site that bought sealed subs for movies returned them for ported...not everybody but quite few. take a xv and xs15, during a explosion scene in a movie(20-30hz), at the same volume, you will hear the xv15 come to life over the xs15 at the same volume level. I do agree with Tom tho, both subs will kick ass, so pull the trigger already and enjoy! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Joshjp View Post

SORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY, if you like the XS-30's then keep em, they have a liitle more upper bass then the XV-30, like i said, if your happy just keep em, mayby PSA will release another sub soon.

Yeah you're really sorry, I hear you about a new sub being released, I'm getting the vibes and gut feelings, same scenario when I had my dual XV15s and traded them in for the XS30s, I really like the the S30s but still miss the XV15s. I have a feeling like you said that Tom and Jim are working on something new, I think before years end we may see or hear about some prototype speakers, towers and monitors, wouldn't surprise me a bit. smile.gif If they can work the same quality and components in their subs and integrate these into multiple driver loudspeakers made in the USA, this would indeed be magical.wink.gif
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Originally Posted by ahblaza View Post

Yeah you're really sorry, I hear you about a new sub being released, I'm getting the vibes and gut feelings, same scenario when I had my dual XV15s and traded them in for the XS30s, I really like the the S30s but still miss the XV15s. I have a feeling like you said that Tom and Jim are working on something new, I think before years end we may see or hear about some prototype speakers, towers and monitors, wouldn't surprise me a bit. smile.gif If they can work the same quality and components in their subs and integrate these into multiple driver loudspeakers made in the USA, this would indeed be magical.wink.gif

That would be awesome. I am thinking of replacing my current set up later on.....but if my wife's car keeps breaking down, I don't think this will be possible any time soon mad.gif...$400 dollars for a A/C compressor eek.gif
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

You will be happy either way...Like I said before I am the type that wants to maximize my dollars spent. quite a few PSA customers on this site that bought sealed subs for movies returned them for ported...not everybody but quite few. take a xv and xs15, during a explosion scene in a movie(20-30hz), at the same volume, you will hear the xv15 come to life over the xs15 at the same volume level. I do agree with Tom tho, both subs will kick ass, so pull the trigger already and enjoy! biggrin.gif

I know, huh? rolleyes.gif It seems so much harder when you can't see or hear them before buying. I've been playing with placement options all day to see what I could squeeze into the corner. I've got a door on one side so it makes it tougher. Would having dual XS15's in each corner be better than dual XV15's on each side of the center between the center & L&R speakers?
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Originally Posted by ahblaza View Post

Yeah you're really sorry, I hear you about a new sub being released, I'm getting the vibes and gut feelings, same scenario when I had my dual XV15s and traded them in for the XS30s, I really like the the S30s but still miss the XV15s. I have a feeling like you said that Tom and Jim are working on something new, I think before years end we may see or hear about some prototype speakers, towers and monitors, wouldn't surprise me a bit. smile.gif If they can work the same quality and components in their subs and integrate these into multiple driver loudspeakers made in the USA, this would indeed be magical.wink.gif

If you dont mind me asking why do you miss your xv15's since you now have xs30's?
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Originally Posted by Jim Cutter View Post

I know, huh? rolleyes.gif It seems so much harder when you can't see or hear them before buying. I've been playing with placement options all day to see what I could squeeze into the corner. I've got a door on one side so it makes it tougher. Would having dual XS15's in each corner be better than dual XV15's on each side of the center between the center & L&R speakers?

I know the feeling since I was in your posisition about a month ago. I was just as indescisive because its a tough choice when you cant see or hear them before hand. all i can tell you is the ideal spot for the sub in your mind will be the least effective spot for the sub. I spent 2 weeks moving and measuring to find out that in my room the subs sound best on each side of the couch about 20-25" from the corners. Im using them as end tables, they are so rock solid nothing vibrates off the top. I really like because my couch literally shakes like I have shakers installed. also with the subs being down firing having them nearfield is sweet because there is no localization. I will say alot of folks on this site prefer the 1/4 and 3/4 location for the subs...which means to measure the wall and place them accordingly to those spots. so yea inside your towers is most likely going to be a better location.
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

If you dont mind me asking why do you miss your xv15's since you now have xs30's?

I don't mind you asking at all, I really don't mean that literally, I was just so amazed with the first XV15 when I purchased it that I immediately bought a second. I didn't have to try a lot of positioning with the XVs, they just sounded so right in my room and played the room so well, I got every bit of LFE out those subs, then Tom emails me telling me of the new sealed 30s and offered a deal that I couldn't say no to, I only live an hour from PSA. Please don't think that I am not totally satisfied with the sealed 30s, cause I certainly am. Every day they seem to amaze me in ways I was not ready for, just little nuances for a better term. They are over achievers to say the least, I listen to music a lot especially vinyl and the X30s really do shine, they're no slouch with HT as well, I just have a place in my heart for a well designed vented subwoofer, thus the reason for missing them, would I go back to them over the S30s, absolutely not.
Cheers Jeff
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Originally Posted by ahblaza View Post

I don't mind you asking at all, I really don't mean that literally, I was just so amazed with the first XV15 when I purchased it that I immediately bought a second. I didn't have to try a lot of positioning with the XVs, they just sounded so right in my room and played the room so well, I got every bit of LFE out those subs, then Tom emails me telling me of the new sealed 30s and offered a deal that I couldn't say no to, I only live an hour from PSA. Please don't think that I am not totally satisfied with the sealed 30s, cause I certainly am. Every day they seem to amaze me in ways I was not ready for, just little nuances for a better term. They are over achievers to say the least, I listen to music a lot especially vinyl and the X30s really do shine, they're no slouch with HT as well, I just have a place in my heart for a well designed vented subwoofer, thus the reason for missing them, would I go back to them over the S30s, absolutely not.
Cheers Jeff

Thanks for your insight...I was entertaining the idea of sending the xv15's back for xs30's, but Im going to hold off. They have more than enough output in the mid bass region and I love the port tune on these subs, not to mention I really like the downfiring design...they make awsome powered end tables. biggrin.gif
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