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post #2431 of 9873
Hey guys remember when I did that video recording of the glass of water with the XS30? Well before my "dilemma" I captured this with my XV30. Same scene, different sub, this time it's my bathroom door.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKEOSzREcFE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
post #2432 of 9873
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

I am using rocket fish 5ghz devices for 69.00 and they work flawless. No intererence, extension down to 14hz, and I notice no difference from hooked direct other than ypao sets the sub distance setting a bit farther. my computers, printer, ps3, yamaha 773, all run wireless tethered off of my note2 and there is no intereference at all since the RF devices operate on a 5ghz band. You should pick one up and try it...makes it so much easier to find the correct spot for your subs.





No I normally do not run my subs this hot, just testing.


Hi basshead. From what i learned from REW forum, you don't want to show your FR smoothed for bass.
post #2433 of 9873
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Originally Posted by mp5475 View Post

Hi basshead. From what i learned from REW forum, you don't want to show your FR smoothed for bass.

i understand how to use rew. anyhow the point of my post was to show bass extension below 20hz
with the wirless devices. i would say im exceeding that easy wink.gif


here i found the no smoothing graph.
Edited by basshead81 - 5/2/13 at 8:35am
post #2434 of 9873
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

i understand how to use rew. anyhow the point of my post was to show bass extension below 20hz
with the wirless devices. i would say im exceeding that easy wink.gif


here i found the no smoothing graph.

Cool. Are you doing anything to tame that peak?
post #2435 of 9873
Or Maybe you like it. Looks a lot better than mine with 3 xv15s. Can't do anything about my l shaped room.
post #2436 of 9873
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Originally Posted by mp5475 View Post

Cool. Are you doing anything to tame that peak?

yea i am thinking about getting a minidsp when i get back from vacation...although the peak at 30hz does not bother me. i kind of like the extra output when a explosion hits during a movie.
post #2437 of 9873
I will also suggest a antimode...things are quite awesome!
post #2438 of 9873
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Originally Posted by mp5475 View Post

Or Maybe you like it. Looks a lot better than mine with 3 xv15s. Can't do anything about my l shaped room.

have you tried nearfield placement?
post #2439 of 9873
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

They work AWSOME! check my other post for details...just make sure to re run your room correction software in your avr, so it can compensate for the delay difference. I spent two weeks moving my subs around going back and fourth between wireless and direct, could not tell one audible difference...not to mention my bass extension was the exact same.

Hey BH, I really like your wireless velcro SS setup. I'm going to give this a shot. Best Buy has the devices, should I get them there and I guess I would need two setups for dual subs, correct? Or is there just one transmitter needed and two receivers, please advice this non-tech savvy person, thanks my friend.
Cheers Jeff
post #2440 of 9873
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

have you tried nearfield placement?

No room. Have to put it front of me which would block the RLC. I am putting up 15 panels, 5 of which will be bass traps. Hope it helps. Is minidsp difficult to use?
post #2441 of 9873
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Originally Posted by ahblaza View Post

Hey BH, I really like your wireless velcro SS setup. I'm going to give this a shot. Best Buy has the devices, should I get them there and I guess I would need two setups for dual subs, correct? Or is there just one transmitter needed and two receivers, please advice this non-tech savvy person, thanks my friend.
Cheers Jeff

yep you will have to purchase 2 setups @ 69.99 each. i picked up a 2 pack of the surge strips for 11.99 @ radio shack, however im sure best buy will have the same thing. also i prefer to use y adapters just so i dont have to use so much input gain on the sub amps, however its not necessary. i have my gains in between 12-1:00 posistion instead of 2:00 just using lfe input.
post #2442 of 9873
^^^

Do you really need two of the Rocketfish setups? Couldn't you just use one transmitter and one receiver then split the signal (if your subs are close enough together? This would then require *some* cabling, but not much.
post #2443 of 9873
Hey, I just ordered an XV30! Thank you Tom for your guidance in making the correct purchase.

My previous sub...a JBL12. Do you think I will be able to tell the difference. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
post #2444 of 9873
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

^^^

Do you really need two of the Rocketfish setups? Couldn't you just use one transmitter and one receiver then split the signal (if your subs are close enough together? This would then require *some* cabling, but not much.

yes that works too!
post #2445 of 9873
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

Dont listen to folks that tell you the pb1000's will be enough. You will be glad you went with 15's down the road. Despite what subs measure on paper, 15's just sound deeper in the lower range.

So I shouldn't believe Ed at SVS? The biggest reason he said that the dual PB1000 would work well for me is that I don't listen to it at reference level but at -15 dB maximum on my master volume and that even without a LFE sub right now my system sounds great to me so the addition of dual PB1000's would work fantastic he said. Anything above it would be a waste of money he pointed out.

Now that being said I'm still drawn to having dual XS15's and listening to all of you bass heads might be pointing me in a direction that is more then I need. I think that many of you are more into the belief that there is never enough bass. I've almost pulled the trigger on the dual PB1000 several times only to hesitate. eek.gif
post #2446 of 9873
Been talking to Tom at PSA & he sure does make me just want to get dual XS15's over the dual PB1000. This is what he said to me in part of an email....


"I can't say for sure if you'll notice much of a difference with a "depth charge" scene. But I bet you would notice a difference with any soundtrack that included ANY music you are familiar with. It is easy to "get away" with mediocre bass quality when the source material is a plane crash or a monster's footstep....we just have no reference point for that. Pop in a film that includes some music you are familiar with on the sound track and I have no doubt you would prefer the XS-15s....every time..smile.gif

Now, is this type of difference worth the price difference to you$(949 versus $1423)? That's the part only you can decide. I'm quite sure you'll enjoy the PB1000s as they appear to be good values at the price. But when we compare everything (Made in USA versus china, overall performance, A very durable satin finish versus a vinyl wrap, etc)...I personally believe the XS15s would be well worth the price premium. Now, I am biased of course..smile.gif Really, you can't go wrong, you are picking two high value options. "


This is the catch 22, will I notice it enough to pay $475 more for the PSA?
post #2447 of 9873
My XS15 was just delivered. smile.gif
post #2448 of 9873
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Originally Posted by Jim Cutter View Post

Been talking to Tom at PSA & he sure does make me just want to get dual XS15's over the dual PB1000. This is what he said to me in part of an email....


"I can't say for sure if you'll notice much of a difference with a "depth charge" scene. But I bet you would notice a difference with any soundtrack that included ANY music you are familiar with. It is easy to "get away" with mediocre bass quality when the source material is a plane crash or a monster's footstep....we just have no reference point for that. Pop in a film that includes some music you are familiar with on the sound track and I have no doubt you would prefer the XS-15s....every time..smile.gif

Now, is this type of difference worth the price difference to you$(949 versus $1423)? That's the part only you can decide. I'm quite sure you'll enjoy the PB1000s as they appear to be good values at the price. But when we compare everything (Made in USA versus china, overall performance, A very durable satin finish versus a vinyl wrap, etc)...I personally believe the XS15s would be well worth the price premium. Now, I am biased of course..smile.gif Really, you can't go wrong, you are picking two high value options. "


This is the catch 22, will I notice it enough to pay $475 more for the PSA?

I say go with the XS15's, but then again I'm not someone who's ever really lost much sleep about spending $500.
post #2449 of 9873
If you can afford the extra $500, buy the XS15s. You will enjoy them, and you'll never find yourself wondering "What if I'd bought the XS15s instead of [.......]?!" smile.gif
post #2450 of 9873
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Originally Posted by Jim Cutter View Post

So I shouldn't believe Ed at SVS? The biggest reason he said that the dual PB1000 would work well for me is that I don't listen to it at reference level but at -15 dB maximum on my master volume and that even without a LFE sub right now my system sounds great to me so the addition of dual PB1000's would work fantastic he said. Anything above it would be a waste of money he pointed out.

Now that being said I'm still drawn to having dual XS15's and listening to all of you bass heads might be pointing me in a direction that is more then I need. I think that many of you are more into the belief that there is never enough bass. I've almost pulled the trigger on the dual PB1000 several times only to hesitate. eek.gif

you dont have to listen at reference level to notice a difference between a 15" and a 10". even at -15db, which is 100db, the xs15 is going play at that level with less effort and fill your room much easier. thats what i like about my subs...the fact that they play at moderate levels with depth and precision effortlessly. thats called head room, the more of it the better.
post #2451 of 9873
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

you dont have to listen at reference level to notice a difference between a 15" and a 10". even at -15db, which is 100db, the xs15 is going play at that level with less effort and fill your room much easier. thats what i like about my subs...the fact that they play at moderate levels with depth and precision effortlessly. thats called head room, the more of it the better.

basshead, are you saying that at -15 you think the OP's system would be playing at 100db?
post #2452 of 9873
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

basshead, are you saying that at -15 you think the OP's system would be playing at 100db?

no im going off of my system. roughly -15 on my avr is equivalent to around 100db depending on source. sorry should of been more clear on that.

im listening to pandora right now at -20 and and hitting 90db peaks from my lp. to me this is moderate volume. playing joe satriani, the 15's hit so tight and deep....lovey lovey longtime biggrin.gif
Edited by basshead81 - 5/2/13 at 3:09pm
post #2453 of 9873
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

no im going off of my system. roughly -15 on my avr is equivalent to around 100db depending on source. sorry should of been more clear on that.

im listening to pandora right now at -20 and and hitting 90db peaks from my lp. to me this is moderate volume. playing joe satriani, the 15's hit so tight and deep....lovey lovey longtime biggrin.gif

Oh okay, it's typically recommended that you set your speakers at between 75db and 83db when calibrating reference and usually setup your subs around 86db.
I personally have my speakers calibrated with a meter for 83db and my subs at 86db with my volume knob at 0 or reference.
post #2454 of 9873
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Oh okay, it's typically recommended that you set your speakers at between 75db and 83db when calibrating reference and usually setup your subs around 86db.
I personally have my speakers calibrated with a meter for 83db and my subs at 86db with my volume knob at 0 or reference.

my subs are set +5db from ypao r.s.c calibration. 75db is around -30 on my yamaha...reference levels are around -5.
post #2455 of 9873
Some photos of my XS15 unboxing. I haven't run any calibration yet but so far so good. biggrin.gif




post #2456 of 9873
^Nice!!
post #2457 of 9873
Congrats. Looking forward to reading your feedback.
post #2458 of 9873
Okay, I finally pulled the trigger on dual XS15's. I can't wait to get them & begin all the fun. biggrin.gif
post #2459 of 9873
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

my subs are set +5db from ypao r.s.c calibration. 75db is around -30 on my yamaha...reference levels are around -5.

So when you have your volume knob turned to 0 or reference what dB do you have your speakers and sub set at?
post #2460 of 9873
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Originally Posted by Jim Cutter View Post

Okay, I finally pulled the trigger on dual XS15's. I can't wait to get them & begin all the fun. biggrin.gif

Congrats Jim, you're going to love them.
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