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post #2671 of 9939
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Yeah, clearly a misstep. The original version owners are lucky.

FYI. Wives love those bases. It makes it much more spouse friendly. My big reservation with the xs30 is the lack of that base. I was thinking they should put it on just for consistency and aesthetics.

I just read the announcement. They are excited to announce this update and went on to call it hot rodding. LOL good stuff.

Quick reminder Tom. ID shoppers are savvy. Not stupid smile.gif


You do realize anyone can order either version, correct?

Since you are obviously no longer interested in our products perhaps you can go elsewhere so our "support" thread can go back to its intended purposes.....supporting Power Sound Audio customers and their questions. Thanks.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #2672 of 9939
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Just saying, from a consumer view point, the old base plate gave it a cool, or unique physical appearance. With the four legs, it's looks like everybody else's offering. That's neither a lament nor a complaint but hopefully will be seen as a consumer based observation.

I understand weight, shipping and manufacturing costs (maintaining competitive pricing) and how important these considerations are. In my opinion, the base plate differentiated your product mix from everybody else's product mix; a sort of cool factor.

Please, do not see my above as anything more then one consumer's view point as I have no complaint to grieve.


No worries at all Beeman----this is exactly why you will be able to purchase either one..smile.gif

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #2673 of 9939
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Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post

You do realize anyone can order either version, correct?

Since you are obviously no longer interested in our products perhaps you can go elsewhere so our "support" thread can go back to its intended purposes.....supporting Power Sound Audio customers and their questions. Thanks.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

I'm no longer interested in the XS15, this is accurate. I am however still very interested in the XS30 and am trying to decide on buying one or possibly two and selling my SVS SB13-plus (yes, I'm the same guy that emailed you yesterday). I was leaning toward this anyway because a sealed sub at this price/performance is very attractive.

No need to be offended because one doesn't support one of your product decisions as well as the press release that seemed disingenuous. Not everyone has to like everything. I just call it like it is. cool.gif

I have literally been skimming this entire thread to get a good idea of the XS30 and the XS15. I'm catching up to the rest of these good people.

So the answer is no, as a potential future owner of XS30, I will not be going elsewhere. You will have to continue to deal with the good and the bad...I'm just more honest vs being a fanboy. smile.gif
post #2674 of 9939
Well the beast has arrived. The VX30. Wow. I included a picture to compare it to what I thought was a relatively decent sized 12" JBL sub. It makes it look tiny.

What an awesome piece of equipment! Thanks Tom. I'm still working on where it will work best.

photo1.jpg 126k .jpg file

Needless to say, it sounds incredible.

Edit: Sorry the picture is upside down.
post #2675 of 9939
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Originally Posted by hockeynut View Post

Well the beast has arrived. The VX30. Wow. I included a picture to compare it to what I thought was a relatively decent sized 12" JBL sub. It makes it look tiny.

What an awesome piece of equipment! Thanks Tom. I'm still working on where it will work best.

photo1.jpg 126k .jpg file

Needless to say, it sounds incredible.

Edit: Sorry the picture is upside down.

Wow, that is a monster sub! What is it with that base plate with me - LOL. I really like the look of it. smile.gif

If you don't mind giving your impressions (I hope you have Dark Knight Rises) when you have a chance - thanks!
post #2676 of 9939
Okay I Confess.... I Am A PSA Fan. biggrin.gif


I also am a Fan of Mirage and Oppo.smile.gif
post #2677 of 9939
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Originally Posted by flickhtguru View Post

Tom, will you be doing the same thing with the XV30???

Also is a dual opposed sealed design the best sealed design? Or would having the XS30 with dual downfiring drivers be just as good? Just questions cuz I don't have too much knowledge on sealed subs.


There will likely be some changes to the XV30 at some point. I can't target an exact date though.

In theory, having the drivers opposed would be preferred all things being equal. In practice, there won't be much (audible) benefit either way. This assumes the enclosure designs on both options are well engineered and will not exhibit any audible coloration to the input signal.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #2678 of 9939
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

How does adding a bottom plate to the XS30 dress it up? If you want a dressed up sub maybe look at something other then a PSA.

If you're having troubles moving it around maybe hit up the gym tongue.gif.
I personally think it would look a little silly especially knowing that it has absolutely no function. At least on the XS15, XV15 it's protecting the driver.
On a XS30 it would just add unneeded weight.

+1
post #2679 of 9939
So,my sub is on carpet. I like the base because it should disperse the sound,without the bass,won't it deaden the sound on carpet? Also,how much of a difference is there between the xv15 and xs30?
post #2680 of 9939
OK, good stuff, now back to the antimode. As far as moving my dual XS30s, those 5$ magic sliders @ Dollar General make it a breeze, I think a base plate on the XS30 would look rediculous, just my opinion. Anyway back to the antimode, seems even I may be able to use it:D Do you do one sub at a time or both? What accessories are needed besides the antimode itself, is it OK to buy used and what model is the most regarded? Thanks guys for all the help. What's up Tom my man, good to see you (hear) from you in this forum.smile.gif
Cheers Jeff
post #2681 of 9939
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Wow, that is a monster sub! What is it with that base plate with me - LOL. I really like the look of it. smile.gif

If you don't mind giving your impressions (I hope you have Dark Knight Rises) when you have a chance - thanks!

I'm afraid I don't have Dark Knight Rises.I do have Transformers Dark of the Moon. That should have some good bass. I may give that a try.

I'm no audio expert, but I will let you know what I think.
post #2682 of 9939
Dark of the moon has excellent bass.. I don't have The Dark Knight Rises either.. Terrible movie! The 1st 2 were excellent,too bad I can't finish the collection,I won't buy it.
post #2683 of 9939
All this talk of anitmodes really makes me want to try it, just wish there was someone nearby so i can see what its all about, I currently run Sms-1 to my 2 subs, and it sounds good to me(of course) just wondering if antimode would make any diffrence in sound, and if its worth selling the sms to get antimode.
post #2684 of 9939
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Originally Posted by hockeynut View Post

I'm afraid I don't have Dark Knight Rises.I do have Transformers Dark of the Moon. That should have some good bass. I may give that a try.

I'm no audio expert, but I will let you know what I think.

That's a great movie too for bass and 7.1 surround.

I have been at this a while so I can interpret smile.gif. Seriously though, the only thing that matters is how much it makes you smile.

But if u want to do some critical listening...pay attention to the quality of the bass in terms of tightness and accuracy. It's one thing to shake the room but generally tighter more accurate bass is more satisfying. Happy listening.

I just can't get over how gigantic that sub is and with that base plate it really looks nice. biggrin.gif
post #2685 of 9939
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

Dark of the moon has excellent bass.. I don't have The Dark Knight Rises either.. Terrible movie! The 1st 2 were excellent,too bad I can't finish the collection,I won't buy it.

Lol! And I think it's the best movie out of the trilogy in story and bass. When that bat plane takes off, it should sound like your whole house is coming down.

The bass at my house is excellent but not at that level yet...which is why I'm looking for a 2nd sub to replace my old deftech pf1500
post #2686 of 9939
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Lol! And I think it's the best movie out of the trilogy in story and bass. When that bat plane takes off, it should sound like your whole house is coming down.

The bass at my house is excellent but not at that level yet...which is why I'm looking for a 2nd sub to replace my old deftech pf1500

Well, I can't wait to get home and try this out.

This truly is the biggest and most bad-ass upgrade I have ever made on any of my audio equipment. My Dad about crapped when I told him how much it weighed!
post #2687 of 9939
I'm sure it has some pretty good bass,but you thought it had a good story and best out of the trilogy? You really have to respond to that.. I would love to know why you think that? You are definitely in the minority on that one..
post #2688 of 9939
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Originally Posted by hockeynut View Post

I'm afraid I don't have Dark Knight Rises.I do have Transformers Dark of the Moon. That should have some good bass. I may give that a try.

I'm no audio expert, but I will let you know what I think.

One of the guys from this forum (SuperLeo) has made a kickass bass demo disc available for d/l for free. I have d/l all of the demo discs these guys have made and they are fantastic for showcasing your stuff to your friends (and the whole neighborhood)
The scene with the planes at the beginning of Dark Knight Rises is on there.

You can find all the info here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1469192/reference-2-blu-ray-demo-disc-bd9s-bd50
post #2689 of 9939
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

I'm sure it has some pretty good bass,but you thought it had a good story and best out of the trilogy? You really have to respond to that.. I would love to know why you think that? You are definitely in the minority on that one..

I just watched it for the 2nd time last night. My SVS SB13-plus and the old DefTech PF1500 had to work pretty hard. Luckily my new Revel F208/C208s have very good bass and massive dynamics and my Emotiva XPR-5 provides awe inspiring power. It was quite enjoyable. Thanks to the Blackhawksfan (go Hossa!), I'm now looking at the XV30 with the cool base plate and even more visceral power.

First, I think the dark knight's weak point was a lack of a hot girl. Dark knight rises solved this with a pretty girl who is an awesome actress.

Second, the storyline is much more gripping. It's an inspirational story where despite all the obstacles, the dark knight rises and saves Gotham again. Man he got beaten down but still came back to fight. And I loved how the girl turned from being very selfish to giving herself to save Gotham - I really hate selfish people. And the ending where Bain was not the child etc...that storyline gave me chills. I'm a lot like Bain, 6'2" 228 lbs of a physical specimen. biggrin.gif. And my wife is very savvy like the bad girl or catwoman Lol.

Call me crazy, bc I kind of am. But I always speak my mind and and say things as I see it. I praise and criticize with equal passion and conviction. Things people want to say but are afraid to get criticized, I'll yell it out from the top of my lungs. And I'll be the first to give you a huge hug and congratulate.

There is so much more but let's get back to PSA subs. But there you have it...watch it again pls, ill bet you'll love it bc you will understand it better. smile.gif
post #2690 of 9939
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

I just watched it for the 2nd time last night. My SVS SB13-plus and the old DefTech PF1500 had to work pretty hard. Luckily my new Revel F208/C208s have very good bass and massive dynamics and my Emotiva XPR-5 provides awe inspiring power. It was quite enjoyable. Thanks to the Blackhawksfan (go Hossa!), I'm now looking at the XV30 with the cool base plate and even more visceral power.

First, I think the dark knight's weak point was a lack of a hot girl. Dark knight rises solved this with a pretty girl who is an awesome actress.

Second, the storyline is much more gripping. It's an inspirational story where despite all the obstacles, the dark knight rises and saves Gotham again. Man he got beaten down but still came back to fight. And I loved how the girl turned from being very selfish to giving herself to save Gotham - I really hate selfish people. And the ending where Bain was not the child etc...that storyline gave me chills. I'm a lot like Bain, 6'2" 228 lbs of a physical specimen. biggrin.gif. And my wife is very savvy like the bad girl or catwoman Lol.

Call me crazy, bc I kind of am. But I always speak my mind and and say things as I see it. I praise and criticize with equal passion and conviction. Things people want to say but are afraid to get criticized, I'll yell it out from the top of my lungs. And I'll be the first to give you a huge hug and congratulate.

There is so much more but let's get back to PSA subs. But there you have it...watch it again pls, ill bet you'll love it bc you will understand it better. smile.gif

I'm like you personality wise I believe. Having said that,there were so many holes in the movie its incredible. The 1st 2 were far superior and its not even close. Bain was a terrible villain. He is the exact type of guy that is hard to ground. He was never part of the league of shadows. They should have used a different villain. I know they were trying to come full circle with the story but Nolan has hits and misses like anyone else...(See inception) another bad movie.. I'm going to watch Jack Reacher tonight.. I'll see how that makes the XV15 pound smile.gif Anyways,I'm glad you liked TDKR.. It wasn't a god aweful,but certainly wasn't in the same league as the 1st 2.. JMO of course.
post #2691 of 9939
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

I'm like you personality wise I believe. Having said that,there were so many holes in the movie its incredible. The 1st 2 were far superior and its not even close. Bain was a terrible villain. He is the exact type of guy that is hard to ground. He was never part of the league of shadows. They should have used a different villain. I know they were trying to come full circle with the story but Nolan has hits and misses like anyone else...(See inception) another bad movie.. I'm going to watch Jack Reacher tonight.. I'll see how that makes the XV15 pound smile.gif Anyways,I'm glad you liked TDKR.. It wasn't a god aweful,but certainly wasn't in the same league as the 1st 2.. JMO of course.

Lol. Yes Bain is the polarizing villain. Actually he was in the league of shadows but was kicked out. Talk about having undying love for someone. Although like the professional it's a tad weird. Man, I gotta watch it again now to be sure smile.gif

I loved Inception too until the ending. biggrin.gif. Then I thought it was a horrible movie.

Hey, are you rubbing that XV15 WITH the base plate in? Good stuff. Lol! I think based on the measurements, we have similar levels of bass.

If you can give your opinion on the xv15, I'd really appreciate it. Occasional impressions really help the late joiners. Although, if I want that I gotta pay extra now. frown.gif. Early bird gets the worm!

I'm a big Tom Cruise fan...maybe I'll go rent that. Thanks!

Update: just reserved it at Redbox. I'll predict only one of us will like it. smile.gif
Edited by lsdec - 5/10/13 at 3:19pm
post #2692 of 9939
hey guys that antimode i have a line on is just a older 8033 not a 8033c? is it still worth the 225 or should i keep lookin.
post #2693 of 9939
What is difference in the Anti-modes C, S, 2, any reco's where to buy new, thanks? What model, I have dual XS30s
post #2694 of 9939
^

http://www.dspeaker.com/en/products/anti-mode-8033.shtml
Edited by basshead81 - 5/10/13 at 5:15pm
post #2695 of 9939
As side note, bosko2, a AVS member, had 4 Epik Empires hooked up to one plain Anti Mode 8033, which he said worked great.
The plane Anti Mode 8033 is no longer for sale......just the Cinema and 8033S-11. The original was $350.
I don't see the plain original version of the Anti Mode on the Creative Sound Solutions
web site, but I do see the 8033 Cinema listed for $100 less than the Anti Mode 8033S-11.
There used to be a wiring diagram showing the original 8033 being hooked up to multiple subs, but
that diagram(s) has been removed from the web (or I can't find it). So for the Cinema....

http://www.creativesound.ca/details.php?model=ANTIMODE8033Cinema

Creative Sound Solutions is the US distributor for the DSP Anti Mode (not Ebay or someplace else).
I went ahead and ordered the 8033S-11 version, as I emailed Creative Sound, and they said for dual subs
the 8033S-11 was the one to get.

Anyways, here is a PDF manual for the 8033 Cinema and 8033S-11 for you viewing enjoyment biggrin.gif.


http://www.dspeaker.com/fileadmin/datasheets/dspeaker/antimode8033CinemaSIIen.pdf

vardo

Edit: here is the wiring diagram for the C and S models: http://www.dspeaker.com/en/technology/anti-mode-technology/anti-mode-connection-examples.shtml
Edited by vardo - 5/10/13 at 5:49pm
post #2696 of 9939
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Originally Posted by vardo View Post

As side note, bosko2, a AVS member, had 4 Epik Empires hooked up to one plain Anti Mode 8033, which he said worked great.
The plane Anti Mode 8033 is no longer for sale......just the Cinema and 8033S-11. The original was $350.
I don't see the plain original version of the Anti Mode on the Creative Sound Solutions
web site, but I do see the 8033 Cinema listed for $100 less than the Anti Mode 8033S-11.
There used to be a wiring diagram showing the original 8033 being hooked up to multiple subs, but
that diagram(s) has been removed from the web (or I can't find it). So for the Cinema....

http://www.creativesound.ca/details.php?model=ANTIMODE8033Cinema

Creative Sound Solutions is the US distributor for the DSP Anti Mode (not Ebay or someplace else).
I went ahead and ordered the 8033S-11 version, as I emailed Creative Sound, and they said for dual subs
the 8033S-11 was the one to get.

Anyways, here is a PDF manual for the 8033 Cinema and 8033S-11 for you viewing enjoyment biggrin.gif.


http://www.dspeaker.com/fileadmin/datasheets/dspeaker/antimode8033CinemaSIIen.pdf

vardo

Edit: here is the wiring diagram for the C and S models: http://www.dspeaker.com/en/technology/anti-mode-technology/anti-mode-connection-examples.shtml

so in your opinion what is a fair price for a used plain 8033?
post #2697 of 9939
Basshead81,

If it works as new (it should, I can't see it being defective), about $250. I'm of the opinion now that a plain 8033 will do
multiple subs. Bosko2, who is very knowledgeable about home theater, and has terrific equipment, now has four
Submersives, and uses a plain 8033. He loves the difference the single plain antimode makes.

I've have the SMS-1, and I tamed peaks with it. If you try to bring up a null, it will create another peak. Eq's tame
peaks, not nulls. I have bass traps (4 currently and 2 on order) to help with nulls, and the traps really smooth out
the bass frequency.

vardo
post #2698 of 9939
^thanks! Im going to pick it up!!
post #2699 of 9939
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Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post

.... Home audio enthusiasts generally like to go vertical ......

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

Still waiting for PSA to announce a cylinder design that would be a nice upgrade for my current SVS 16-46PC+ (that Tom sold to me years ago). wink.gif. Wishful thinking?

post #2700 of 9939
Basshead81,

Great. Let me/us know how you like the Anti Mode. Very easy to install. Only a 19 page manual. A lot of the manual are things you don't need to install
the Anti Mode to get it up and on line. First 13 pages are important.

The SMS 1 manual has 59 pages, and it's nice to see a freq curve on your TV or whatever, but the learning curve
is a little steep. It just didn't make much of a difference in the way my system sounded. It also has an automatic
setup, but truthfully it doesn't work as claimed. It's supposed to create a freq curve of +/-3db from I forget which
freq extensions, but that doesn't happen. (No offense to SMS-1 users)

I like the Anti Mode much better.

vardo
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