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post #301 of 9841
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Originally Posted by KidHorn View Post

I'm looking at a new sub. Want something that can play low, but don't need anything too loud. I was wondering if the extra $200 for the XV15 over the outlaw, when on sale, is worth it. It doesn't sound like it would be worth it to me.
It all depends what you are looking for. But one thing to remember is once you get a sub, you will want another, then a sub that digs deeper. To answer your question the $200 is worth it over the Outlaw. Clearly IMO the XV-15 is a better sub. I have both, so I can honestly say that.
post #302 of 9841
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

It all depends what you are looking for. But one thing to remember is once you get a sub, you will want another, then a sub that digs deeper. To answer your question the $200 is worth it over the Outlaw. Clearly IMO the XV-15 is a better sub. I have both, so I can honestly say that.

This man doesn't lie. All my two XV-15 have made me do is wonder about how awesome two more would be.
post #303 of 9841
Does anybody have any thoughts on how a dual XV15 set up would compare to a solo XV30 in performance? Or better yet, quad XV15's vs dual XV30's? Outside of the cost difference: pros/cons of going with XV15's vs XV30?

Thoughts?
post #304 of 9841
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Originally Posted by ndskurfer View Post

Does anybody have any thoughts on how a dual XV15 set up would compare to a solo XV30 in performance? Or better yet, quad XV15's vs dual XV30's? Outside of the cost difference: pros/cons of going with XV15's vs XV30?
Thoughts?

I was told that two co located xv15's would have a couple db advantage over a single xv30 and that triple xv15's all located together would be very similar to two xv30's.

I bought 3 xv15's and have them all in a row behind a couch.
post #305 of 9841
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post

I was told that two co located xv15's would have a couple db advantage over a single xv30 and that triple xv15's all located together would be very similar to two xv30's.
I bought 3 xv15's and have them all in a row behind a couch.

Good memory Ray!

The XV30 will have a 2.5dB to 3.5dB edge across the operating bandwidth(16-100hz) compared to the XV15. Adding a second XV15 will give you about 6dB more if you co-locate them in the room. If you separate them....say one in each front corner of a medium sized room....the second unit will add more like 3.5 to 4dB(instead of 6dB).

So dual XV15s co-located will have about 3dB more output. But if you separated them you would be very close in output capabilities to a single XV30. Dual subwoofers do give you the potential for a smoother bass response over a variety of seating positions though.

Ndskurfer----how large is your listening room and are there any large openings to other areas of the home?

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #306 of 9841
Just ordered a single XS15 yesterday 10/24 and it's scheduled to be delivered on Friday 10/26. Wow! thats fast. The XS15 is going in a sealed room that is approximately 1800 cu ft and will located in a corner. I had a PC12-nsd, but I could not get over the big cylinder in the room and had to move on. I had narrowed it down to two possible replacements the PSA or Epik Empire. I sent emails to both companies with questions and Tom responded within a few hours, thats service. They get my vote.
post #307 of 9841
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Originally Posted by brookhart995 View Post

Just ordered a single XS15 yesterday 10/24 and it's scheduled to be delivered on Friday 10/26. Wow! thats fast. The XS15 is going in a sealed room that is approximately 1800 cu ft and will located in a corner. I had a PC12-nsd, but I could not get over the big cylinder in the room and had to move on. I had narrowed it down to two possible replacements the PSA or Epik Empire. I sent emails to both companies with questions and Tom responded within a few hours, thats service. They get my vote.

Good choice! The XS15 should be more than sufficient in your size room. Tom will take great care of you. Enjoy! cool.gif
post #308 of 9841
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Originally Posted by brookhart995 View Post

Just ordered a single XS15 yesterday 10/24 and it's scheduled to be delivered on Friday 10/26. Wow! thats fast. The XS15 is going in a sealed room that is approximately 1800 cu ft and will located in a corner.

That's almost the exact same size as my room. Are your pictures secured properly? wink.gif
post #309 of 9841
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Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post

Good memory Ray!
The XV30 will have a 2.5dB to 3.5dB edge across the operating bandwidth(16-100hz) compared to the XV15. Adding a second XV15 will give you about 6dB more if you co-locate them in the room. If you separate them....say one in each front corner of a medium sized room....the second unit will add more like 3.5 to 4dB(instead of 6dB).
So dual XV15s co-located will have about 3dB more output. But if you separated them you would be very close in output capabilities to a single XV30. Dual subwoofers do give you the potential for a smoother bass response over a variety of seating positions though.
Ndskurfer----how large is your listening room and are there any large openings to other areas of the home?
Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

Hi Tom! We exchanged a few emails earlier this month regarding placement (I have a PC13 that I'm looking to either replace or supplement).

My room is roughly 2300cf (picture is in the link in my sig if you scroll down a little in the first post). This pic is very outdated now as I have replaced furniture & some components and moved the sub, but the room is the same smile.gif . There are 2 doorway openings that lead to 2 sets of stairs in the front right corner. The stairways limit my placement up front. I can fit my PC13 behind the front right speaker, which is where it measures best. I am looking to fill the back 2 corners with XV15's. From your suggestion, I'm also considering placing an XV15 on it's side up front where the PC13 currently, as the footprint is slightly too big to be placed upright and fit behind speaker, and a second (or third) along the back wall. I have REW, so I will be able to explore my options with measurements when it comes time.

Still in the info gathering stage, you have been a ton of help with your prior responses to my questions, thanks again Tom.
post #310 of 9841
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Good choice! The XS15 should be more than sufficient in your size room. Tom will take great care of you. Enjoy! cool.gif


Yeah, really good choice----a single XS15 should extend near (or into) single digits in this type of room environment. Don't hesitate to contact(call or email) me if you run into any setup or calibration questions Brookhart---and thank you for the order!

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #311 of 9841
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Originally Posted by ndskurfer View Post

Hi Tom! We exchanged a few emails earlier this month regarding placement (I have a PC13 that I'm looking to either replace or supplement).
My room is roughly 2300cf (picture is in the link in my sig if you scroll down a little in the first post). This pic is very outdated now as I have replaced furniture & some components and moved the sub, but the room is the same smile.gif . There are 2 doorway openings that lead to 2 sets of stairs in the front right corner. The stairways limit my placement up front. I can fit my PC13 behind the front right speaker, which is where it measures best. I am looking to fill the back 2 corners with XV15's. From your suggestion, I'm also considering placing an XV15 on it's side up front where the PC13 currently, as the footprint is slightly too big to be placed upright and fit behind speaker, and a second (or third) along the back wall. I have REW, so I will be able to explore my options with measurements when it comes time.
Still in the info gathering stage, you have been a ton of help with your prior responses to my questions, thanks again Tom.

Oh Okay, I remember our conversations now..smile.gif When you mentioned DUAL XV30s you threw me there a little...

Don't hesitate to email/call if you need to discuss anything else in the future,

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #312 of 9841
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

It all depends what you are looking for. But one thing to remember is once you get a sub, you will want another, then a sub that digs deeper. To answer your question the $200 is worth it over the Outlaw. Clearly IMO the XV-15 is a better sub. I have both, so I can honestly say that.

I'll keep your response in mind. Thanks.
post #313 of 9841
Tom,

Any thoughts on giving a multi unit discount? I.e. Get $50 off a second sub purchased at the same time shipped to the same address? I would guess the shipping savings alone could make it a wash.

Just a suggestion.

Although it appears your business is doing just fine without it smile.gif
post #314 of 9841
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Originally Posted by KidHorn View Post

Tom,
Any thoughts on giving a multi unit discount? I.e. Get $50 off a second sub purchased at the same time shipped to the same address? I would guess the shipping savings alone could make it a wash.
Just a suggestion.
Although it appears your business is doing just fine without it smile.gif

Hi Kidhorn,


We do offer 5% discount on any dual order and 5% off for repeat customers.Like you said----every little bit can add up quickly..smile.gif


Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #315 of 9841
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Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post

Hi Kidhorn,
We do offer 5% discount on any dual order and 5% off for repeat customers.Like you said----every little bit can add up quickly..smile.gif
Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

Good to know. Thanks.

I couldn't find it on your web site.

Edit: Never mind. I found it "Save 5% when ordering two or more subwoofers. Please contact us for a coupon code.". It was in too obvious a location.wink.gif
post #316 of 9841
Hey fellas! I purchased the XV15 back around 25th September. I was running just 1 solo Velodyne CHT15 before. It was def a big improvement over my CHT15. My room is very very very open, a lot of space to fill. I have it placed behind the couch tucked in that corner. I ran it solo for a few weeks to try it out. I was looking for a sub to dig deeper and more punch than my CHT. The XV15 was for sure able to do that. I was finally able to feel some stuff that I was missing out on from my CHT. My room is not by all means ideal for a HT setup. It has 20ft ceiling, balcony look over and very very next to no walls connecting to other rooms. So I am sure I am still not getting the best of the XV that I could get in a more enclosed room! I eventually hooked up my Velo CHT15 and have it placed up front off to the right so both subs are angled from each other. It has really helped out in evening out the room and imaging a ton. I can really notice the XV15 take over when I crank it up and that deep bass on those LFE tracks kick in. Tom has been nothing but helpful with any questions I've had on setting things up and a couple hiccups when I first got the sub hooked up.










Panoramic pic
post #317 of 9841
Congrats on your new toy!

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Originally Posted by pretsam View Post


Just a thought... wouldn't it be better to pull that way from the wall a little in order to let the port breath some? It seems to be a bit close.
post #318 of 9841
There is 5" or 5.5" between the port and the corner wall, just the pic makes it look closer than it is. I can always pull it out a inch if needed.
Edited by pretsam - 10/25/12 at 7:42pm
post #319 of 9841
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Originally Posted by pretsam View Post

There is 5" or 5.5" between the port and the corner wall, just the pic makes it look closer than it is. I can always pull it out a inch if needed.

That should be okay. If you hear any weird noises you can try sliding it out another inch as it could be the port flow having to make an abrupt turn. But I'd guess you're fine at 5 inches or so.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #320 of 9841
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Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post

That should be okay. If you hear any weird noises you can try sliding it out another inch as it could be the port flow having to make an abrupt turn. But I'd guess you're fine at 5 inches or so.
Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

I actually just remeasured it tonight and I was pretty off. From port to corner it's 10". From corner of the sub to wall it's prolly 1". The only time I've actually heard something back there is when I've really turned it up and I've heard something but haven't really checked out what it was. Just thought it was a picture frame on the table behind the couch or something sitting on the table behind the couch.
post #321 of 9841
Hi tom. I got 2 xv15s sitting at home waiting to be set up cant wait till i get off work. Not sure if this has been brought up yet it sounds like u guys r workn on more subs if so will u offer a trade in, like if u come out with one thats more power then the xv15? Thanks nick
post #322 of 9841
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Originally Posted by nicker1987 View Post

Hi tom. I got 2 xv15s sitting at home waiting to be set up cant wait till i get off work. Not sure if this has been brought up yet it sounds like u guys r workn on more subs if so will u offer a trade in, like if u come out with one thats more power then the xv15? Thanks nick


Hi Nick,

Going to be a long day at work I bet..smile.gif Don't hesitate to email/call me if you have any setup or calibration questions.

The trade-up idea is something Jim and I have discussed but nothing has been decided as of yet. If we come out with another "Power-X" subwoofer in the same price range as the current models we probably won't include a trade-in offer as it would be more of a side ways move in many cases. Factor in shipping and the potential benefits are minimized a good bit. If, however, we introduce a new product line substantially more powerful than our "Power X" product line(and likely substantially more expensive)....allowing all Power-X owners some form of a trade-in opportunity would be something we would *like* to do if at all possible.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #323 of 9841
Thanks for the reply tom and i understand about the side ways move wouldnt make since on ur guys part. Long days at work, they showed up yesterday but the gf left to get her hair done r somethin like that and they came when she was gone go figure, so 2 very long days at work waiting to open them up lol
post #324 of 9841
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Originally Posted by nicker1987 View Post

Thanks for the reply tom and i understand about the side ways move wouldnt make since on ur guys part. Long days at work, they showed up yesterday but the gf left to get her hair done r somethin like that and they came when she was gone go figure, so 2 very long days at work waiting to open them up lol

I made sure I was up bright and early on delivery day in fear FedEx would come early and they did around 10am when they normally come around 3pm. smile.gif Congrats on the 2 XV15!
post #325 of 9841
Tom,

Couple questions. How well would an Hsu VTF-15H play with either your XV30, or an XV15? I have a large room (19.5' wide, 33' long, open to another room that is 11' x 15'. The VTF-15 is doing a solid job but, like many, I want more. Was going to add a second VTF-15H, but am intrigued with your subs (used to be an SVS owner as well). That said, I have no plans of selling the VTF-15H, so am curious if one of the above options would play nice with the VTF-15H.
post #326 of 9841
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

Tom,
Couple questions. How well would an Hsu VTF-15H play with either your XV30, or an XV15? I have a large room (19.5' wide, 33' long, open to another room that is 11' x 15'. The VTF-15 is doing a solid job but, like many, I want more. Was going to add a second VTF-15H, but am intrigued with your subs (used to be an SVS owner as well). That said, I have no plans of selling the VTF-15H, so am curious if one of the above options would play nice with the VTF-15H.

Hello Ackbk,

If you have the budget for a second vtf15 that would be the "safer" option. With ported subs it is important to get the tuning point(phase shifting) as close as possible. Obviously you would want the extension and output capabilities to be similar too. I believe you would find the XV15 sounds very similar to the vtf-15 but it is tough to say exact;ly how the tuning points will line up. I tried reading through the one review (with good fr measurements) at audioholics a while back but to be honest....the "signal/noise" ratio lost my interest for the most part. There would be little doubt the XV30 would have a substantial output advantage but again...the vtf15 is no slouch in that regard.

Do you have one of the receivers that can Audy EQ dual subs separately? (Sub EQ HT). If so, that may help with the integration. But if the budget is there ($1000?) for the second vtf15....I'd avoid the potential integration headaches and just get a second vtf15...its a really good woof. I'm sure two of them would stop any upgraditis you might have....at least for 6-8 weeks..smile.gif

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #327 of 9841
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Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post

Hello Ackbk,
If you have the budget for a second vtf15 that would be the "safer" option. With ported subs it is important to get the tuning point(phase shifting) as close as possible. Obviously you would want the extension and output capabilities to be similar too. I believe you would find the XV15 sounds very similar to the vtf-15 but it is tough to say exact;ly how the tuning points will line up. I tried reading through the one review (with good fr measurements) at audioholics a while back but to be honest....the "signal/noise" ratio lost my interest for the most part. There would be little doubt the XV30 would have a substantial output advantage but again...the vtf15 is no slouch in that regard.
Do you have one of the receivers that can Audy EQ dual subs separately? (Sub EQ HT). If so, that may help with the integration. But if the budget is there ($1000?) for the second vtf15....I'd avoid the potential integration headaches and just get a second vtf15...its a really good woof. I'm sure two of them would stop any upgraditis you might have....at least for 6-8 weeks..smile.gif
Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

Thanks Tom, my current receiver is only Audyssey MutliEQ, and I suspected as much based on your reply (trying to integrate two different subwoofers). I am very interested in hearing an XV30, and hope I can someday. It might convince me enough to upgrade smile.gif I will most likely add a second VTF-15H, but am also toying with selling it and going with two dual DIY subs. Since completing my basement build, I am itching for a fun DIY project smile.gif

Very much appreciate your honest reply. I suspect your new endeavor will do just fine smile.gif
post #328 of 9841
Hi all, couple quick notes.

First, we may not be shipping on Tuesday. Fedex may keep high profile trucks off the road so we may need to wait a day or two(depends on the storm).

Second, we do have a few B-stocks we will be putting on the webpage soon(10% discount). We've gotten a couple review subs back, a couple shipping damage (very small nicks that we will provide pictures on request) and we have 1 or 2 with very minor blemishes in the finish(Again, pictures will be provided on request). I think we have 2 XS15, 2 XV15, and 1 XV30. All perform 100%.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #329 of 9841
what's an example of a receiver that will do Aud EQ on dual subs separately? thx
post #330 of 9841
[quote name="joffer" url="/t/1372020/power-sound-audio-
discussion-thread/300#post_22540216"]what's an example of a receiver that will do Aud EQ on dual subs separately? thx[/quote]

My Denon 4311 does this. There are other also.

Look for receivers with multi eq xt32. Audyssey has them listed on their site.
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