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post #4021 of 10047
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

I still have yet to understand why folks get all hung up on drivers....

Because there's not enough other things to get hung up on?

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Because it's more fun to argue the benefits of one driver over another drive, then it is to watch a Blu-ray video recording?

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Because doing so prevents them from actually having to buy a subwoofer?

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When all else fails, there's always minutia to fall back on.

...tongue.gif

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 7/6/13 at 8:44am
post #4022 of 10047
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

We were hoping you would pick up a Triax and let us know? smile.gif

If i had a sealed enclosure, in the future, I would consider. As of now- my hands are full. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post

I am sure Tom is extremely busy right now gearing up for the first shipment of Triax's.

I few weeks ago he posted in here that the Triax's driver thrives in a very specific environment (high power amp/sealed box) and would add almost nothing over the regular XV driver.

i figured the same about Tom, as he hasn't even replied to my admittedly low priority emails. Just seems like it's been quite awhile since he's been on here.
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

I still have yet to understand why folks get all hung up on drivers....especially the few on this forum that claim the xv drivers are cheap. Imo its all about the combination amp, driver, enclosure. Stuffing a different driver in the same enclosure with the same amp makes no sense and will offer next to no gain as previously mentioned. On contrary to what some believe, the xv drivers are high quality and PSA has yet to have one fail to date. smile.gif

PDX, this is not directed at you, just thinkin out loud.

No worries. I agree completely about you statement re: the driver, enclosure, amp combo. I would expect an amp in the upgrade kit. It would also possibly be a bit more complicated with a ported enclosure.

I wouldn't expect much more DB, but i would expect a much different sound. I went through the JL audio subs from release (12w0) all the way up through the w7 and while from the first JL release up through the W-7 did add more DBs, the difference was mostly sound quality.

That bigger magnet, spider, and surround, and extra power are not there for nothing. wink.gif
post #4023 of 10047
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

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i figured the same about Tom, as he hasn't even replied to my admittedly low priority emails. Just seems like it's been quite awhile since he's been on here...

Hopefully he and Jim are taking a well deserved break for the holiday. smile.gif
post #4024 of 10047
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

Hopefully he and Jim are taking a well deserved break for the holiday. smile.gif

Unfortunately after talking with Tom the other day this couldn't be further from the truth!...lol
This is typically the slow time of the year as far as electronics go but PSA is screaming busy!
Which also goes to show that all their hard work is paying off big time, so good for them.
post #4025 of 10047
I'm glad for them. They are top notch from what I've experienced.

I spent two hours on the phone and chats today dealing with poor CS from 3 different companies, and email to a 4th. It's very refreshing to see someone still gives a crap and on top of that cares about made in the USA.
post #4026 of 10047
Like I said in another thread, Jim and Tom are setting a new standard in customer service that all ID companies will be measured against IMO.
post #4027 of 10047
I auditioned two subs very recently. One was an SVS SB13-Ultra and the other was the Hsu ULS-15. I kept the Ultra for my stereo system simply because the Ultra is a musical marvel. Unbelievably refined and powerful. The Hsu I returned because of various problems, but it was a powerful sounding sub for movies when it was working properly. After yet more research and several email conversations with Tom Vodhanel, I decided to give PSA a try. After all, SVS ... PSA ... hmmm, seems like a connection here. Anyway, I ordered the XS30 on July 4th. Hopefully, it will be as good as everyone has been saying. We shall see....
post #4028 of 10047
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Originally Posted by dsrussell View Post

I auditioned two subs very recently. One was an SVS SB13-Ultra and the other was the Hsu ULS-15. I kept the Ultra for my stereo system simply because the Ultra is a musical marvel. Unbelievably refined and powerful. The Hsu I returned because of various problems, but it was a powerful sounding sub for movies when it was working properly. After yet more research and several email conversations with Tom Vodhanel, I decided to give PSA a try. After all, SVS ... PSA ... hmmm, seems like a connection here. Anyway, I ordered the XS30 on July 4th. Hopefully, it will be as good as everyone has been saying. We shall see....

Definitely let us know what you think when you get your PSA sub. smile.gif
post #4029 of 10047
Nice! please let us know how the xs30 stacks up against the ultra and uls.
post #4030 of 10047
Is anyone using a single XV30f? I'm wondering how it sounds versus a single 15" sub. When I see dual 15" the thought is it puts out twice as much bass, but I know that's unrealistic.
post #4031 of 10047
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Is anyone using a single XV30f? I'm wondering how it sounds versus a single 15" sub. When I see dual 15" the thought is it puts out twice as much bass, but I know that's unrealistic.

Realistically speaking, it looks four times as cool. tongue.gif

(and yes, cool factor does count)
post #4032 of 10047
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Realistically speaking, it looks four times as cool. tongue.gif

(and yes, cool factor does count)



The damn thing is as tall as my towers biggrin.gif oh yeah the cool factor counts too.
post #4033 of 10047
Has anyone taken a look at the numbers just recently added on data-bass.com on the Funk Audio 18.0C sub? I only mention this because I'm located only about an hour away from Funk so I was very close to buying two from Nathan. Well needless to say that after i looked at the posted numbers I'm very glad I stuck with dual XS30's. The Funk subs would have cost me about $800 more too.

Comparing some data-bass numbers the 18.0C doesn't even out perform an Epik Empire. That's some food for thought.
post #4034 of 10047
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Has anyone taken a look at the numbers just recently added on data-bass.com on the Funk Audio 18.0C sub? I only mention this because I'm located only about an hour away from Funk so I was very close to buying two from Nathan. Well needless to say that after i looked at the posted numbers I'm very glad I stuck with dual XS30's. The Funk subs would have cost me about $800 more too.

Comparing some data-bass numbers the 18.0C doesn't even out perform an Epik Empire. That's some food for thought.

I seen that...it does not even come close to the xv15 from 16-40hz. I know thats comparing ported to sealed...just sayin.
post #4035 of 10047
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

The damn thing is as tall as my towers biggrin.gif oh yeah the cool factor counts too.

It's taller than my towers. Currently, I have a stacked pair of 12" subwoofers next to it that are 46" tall and they look massively cool next to our 43" tall mains. Now, I do have to admit, that's a manly man's opinion where factor is sometimes allowed to supersede function. LOW WAF (if tastefully done, not too low) but the combination has a huge thumbs up in the guys, way cool index of how things should look in a manly man's, real world environment. biggrin.gif

(the XV30f is 45" tall)

Brag, brag, just ordered a one hundred and fifty degree, three image game (stitch or single image of fifty degree) camera for the backyard. Now I'll be able to see who's digging up our freshly reseeded lawn........HA!......GOTCHA! biggrin.gif

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 7/7/13 at 11:31am
post #4036 of 10047
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Originally Posted by dsrussell View Post

I auditioned two subs very recently. One was an SVS SB13-Ultra and the other was the Hsu ULS-15. I kept the Ultra for my stereo system simply because the Ultra is a musical marvel. Unbelievably refined and powerful. The Hsu I returned because of various problems, but it was a powerful sounding sub for movies when it was working properly. After yet more research and several email conversations with Tom Vodhanel, I decided to give PSA a try. After all, SVS ... PSA ... hmmm, seems like a connection here. Anyway, I ordered the XS30 on July 4th. Hopefully, it will be as good as everyone has been saying. We shall see....

Interesting. I read more than once in my sub selection journey that the svs ultra wasnt that musical. Goes to show just how subjective this can be.
post #4037 of 10047
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Is anyone using a single XV30f? I'm wondering how it sounds versus a single 15" sub. When I see dual 15" the thought is it puts out twice as much bass, but I know that's unrealistic.

I have a single XV30F yes. My brother has a Cerwin Vega XLS-15s (http://www.cerwinvega.com/home-audio/subwoofers/xls-15s.html) and mine puts out more bass and most likely would sound better but that is because I paid a lot more for mine, mine goes to a lower frequency and also each driver is getting more watts versus his single driver. I assume mine would sound better but I haven't had him bring his sub over to to swap them out and have a listen.

It'd be really hard to compare.
post #4038 of 10047
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Comparing some data-bass numbers the 18.0C doesn't even out perform an Epik Empire. That's some food for thought.

I compared it to the 12NSD. Yes it’s sealed compared to vented but sheeze! Then I compared it to some of the DIY sealed's. eek.gif
post #4039 of 10047
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Interesting. I read more than once in my sub selection journey that the svs ultra wasnt that musical. Goes to show just how subjective this can be.

The Ultra you were likely reading about is the ported PB13 or PC13. I have read and experienced the same regarding its shortfall in performance for music. I went from 1 PC13 to dual XS30's and would take the XS30's any day for music (considering I'm comparing 1 sub to 2 subs). My family room is mainly set up for movies and games though.
post #4040 of 10047
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Interesting. I read more than once in my sub selection journey that the svs ultra wasnt that musical. Goes to show just how subjective this can be.

I beleieve youu are thinking of the PB13 ultra not the SB13 ultra.
post #4041 of 10047
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

It's taller than my towers. Currently, I have a stacked pair of 12" subwoofers next to it that are 46" tall and they look massively cool next to our 43" tall mains. Now, I do have to admit, that's a manly man's opinion where factor is sometimes allowed to supersede function. LOW WAF (if tastefully done, not too low) but the combination has a huge thumbs up in the guys, way cool index of how things should look in a manly man's, real world environment. biggrin.gif

(the XV30f is 45" tall)

Brag, brag, just ordered a one hundred and fifty degree, three image game (stitch or single image of fifty degree) camera for the backyard. Now I'll be able to see who's digging up our freshly reseeded lawn........HA!......GOTCHA! biggrin.gif

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Well since I don't have to worry about WAF I might just order one of these biggrin.gif
Lmao at the camera deal in the backyard, go get em. But you have to explain digging up your yard to me?
post #4042 of 10047
This is waaay off topic but does anyone know what the thumbs up count means under our post count to the left? rolleyes.gif
post #4043 of 10047
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

This is waaay off topic but does anyone know what the thumbs up count means under our post count to the left? rolleyes.gif



It's how many people have liked your comments. So if you have 20 thumbs up
It means members have liked your comments 20 times, although I believe you start out with 10. You also get notified in your mail who and what comment they liked.
post #4044 of 10047
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

It's how many people have liked your comments. So if you have 20 thumbs up
It means members have liked your comments 20 times, although I believe you start out with 10. You also get notified in your mail who and what comment they liked.

Thanks! So they the reader has to inform the forum in some way then..
post #4045 of 10047
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Interesting. I read more than once in my sub selection journey that the svs ultra wasnt that musical. Goes to show just how subjective this can be.

Any speaker, by its very nature, will be subjective. I wrote a very long review on Amazon.com on the SB13-Ultra and another on the SVS website that explains my findings concerning the musicality of the Ultra. I compared the Ultra head to head with the Hsu ULS-15 and Hsu wasn't even close and both are sealed designs. Movie wise, the Hsu was an excellent performer, except it had mechanical issues.
post #4046 of 10047
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Thanks! So they the reader has to inform the forum in some way then..



No problem. I don't get what you mean? The forum informs the poster that he received a thumbs up for a particular comment. If you look in your profile and click on your thumbs ups you'll see what comment and who liked them smile.gif I didn't realize this until a couple of weeks ago and decided to start giving them myself. I guess it's the AVS way of liking something like you do on FB. Some don't like it but its ok with me.
post #4047 of 10047
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Lmao at the camera deal in the backyard, go get em. But you have to explain digging up your yard to me?

It was a generalized, off topic, brag, brag comment and nothing more. There are some niffty, way cool toys out there these days.

We have some night critters digging up our newly reseeded lawn (taking care of moss troubles) and I though it would be entertaining to see which critters are coming into our yard at night. Some of them have taken to occasionally tearing up the drip system and chewing the bejezzus out of the supply lines.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 7/7/13 at 1:53pm
post #4048 of 10047
Thanks comfy, you get a thunbs up smile.gif Back to reg programing.
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Any speaker, by its very nature, will be subjective. I wrote a very long review on Amazon.com on the SB13-Ultra and another on the SVS website that explains my findings concerning the musicality of the Ultra. I compared the Ultra head to head with the Hsu ULS-15 and Hsu wasn't even close and both are sealed designs. Movie wise, the Hsu was an excellent performer, except it had mechanical issues.

With the ULS having a +-1 at 15 I can see why you liked it for movies except for the problems you had.. not good!
post #4049 of 10047
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Originally Posted by ndskurfer View Post

The Ultra you were likely reading about is the ported PB13 or PC13. I have read and experienced the same regarding its shortfall in performance for music. I went from 1 PC13 to dual XS30's and would take the XS30's any day for music (considering I'm comparing 1 sub to 2 subs). My family room is mainly set up for movies and games though.

So how would you compare them for movies?
post #4050 of 10047
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Has anyone taken a look at the numbers just recently added on data-bass.com on the Funk Audio 18.0C sub? I only mention this because I'm located only about an hour away from Funk so I was very close to buying two from Nathan. Well needless to say that after i looked at the posted numbers I'm very glad I stuck with dual XS30's. The Funk subs would have cost me about $800 more too.

Comparing some data-bass numbers the 18.0C doesn't even out perform an Epik Empire. That's some food for thought.

There is a simple answer to why this sub isn't as impressive as we would think. Well two actually. There is no replacement for displacement. And when you go with a very small cabinet you loose lower end efficiency.

Funk makes nice stuff but they seem to focus on the mid bass and being small and compact at the loose of low prices.

I bet if Tom and Jim could have gotten the ouput they wanted out of one mega 18 they would have likely went with it for the Triax or even one middle of the road 18 for the SX30.

But we learned that if you want to go sealed and get good output for a reasonable price you need more than one driver. Its like when the JL F113 got reviewed I remember thinking its output wasn't good enough for its price. Its been proven with even the best drivers and amplifiers (JL , TC sound LMS-ultra) you can't get great output with just one driver and a smaller cabinet, at least not for a good price.
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