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Originally Posted by PDDUFRENE View Post

BeeMan458

Is there a way that I can get buy for now until I get my computer fixed, with a SPL meter? And exactly what am I looking to achieve by using it? I'm new to this and would appreciate your knowledge.
Thanks

Just run the test tone feature with your AVR and level match with your meter. You can also buy a sound disk but the AVR method will get you by until your computer is fixed.
post #4622 of 9942
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Just run the test tone feature with your AVR and level match with your meter. You can also buy a sound disk but the AVR method will get you by until your computer is fixed.

Thanks Steve nn! I'll give that a shot, I noticed today when I ran the auto calibration that the sub couldn't be heard nearly as clear as the rest of the speakers and didn't know if that was normal are not. How do I match the sub to the mains? Use the gain?
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Originally Posted by PDDUFRENE View Post

Thanks Steve nn! I'll give that a shot, I noticed today when I ran the auto calibration that the sub couldn't be heard nearly as clear as the rest of the speakers and didn't know if that was normal are not. How do I match the sub to the mains? Use the gain?

I think PSA recommends gain on the sub around 1-2 o'clock? So start with that and try to get your trim (subwoofer gain/volume/level) at about 35- 40% ballpark on your receiver. . Keep your trim under 50% on your receiver and toggle the both adjustments from there. Level match each of your speakers to the same dB level as your sub. You might want to bump up your sub level 1-6dB depending on your preferences? That can change between movies/type of movie/TV and music. Anyway once you have things setup you can adjust with your remote at your seating position. Short version..So say your receiver SW level range is –10 to +10, set it up to where the level is at around –5 in your receiver and whatever gain it takes on your sub to get you at calibration.. Does that make sense?

EDIT> Be sure your speakers are set to small, night mode is off if you have it, there are other settings to check out if need be also. You might have 1-2-3 SW level yada yada. smile.gif
Edited by steve nn - 8/3/13 at 3:08am
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Originally Posted by PDDUFRENE View Post

Thanks Steve nn! I'll give that a shot, I noticed today when I ran the auto calibration that the sub couldn't be heard nearly as clear as the rest of the speakers and didn't know if that was normal are not. How do I match the sub to the mains? Use the gain?

A subwoofer plays in two, totally different worlds. One world is the wonderful world of music where intentionally, there's a continuous bass line present and it's expected for this bass line to be noticed. And then there's the world of Home Theater with an audio sound track intended to be filled with special effect, sound affects; booms, bangs, clanks, thunks, sound of helicopters and bridges being blown up, using far too much dynamite.

In music, it's expected for the bass line to be continuously and sometimes, prominently located; Sly & The Family Stone "Dance to the Music."

"Blackhawk Down" Helicopter going down.

In the case of music, it's intended for the bass line to be prominent. In the case of movie special effects, it's intended for the effect to affect the room (listeners) and then go away. The Long Kiss Goodnight sound track, in my opinion, qualifies as the the all time best movie sound track.

A suggestion, a new thread should be started as the above question and replies (including my reply) are not Power Sound Audio related but instead, are general set-up and go type of questions and answers.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 8/3/13 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by PDDUFRENE View Post

Thanks Steve nn! I'll give that a shot, I noticed today when I ran the auto calibration that the sub couldn't be heard nearly as clear as the rest of the speakers and didn't know if that was normal are not. How do I match the sub to the mains? Use the gain?

thats because ypao tends to set the sub output low for most folks liking. set the sub gain 2:00, run the calibration, ypao will probably pull it back to around -8, then add 5db back in so the level is around -3(this will give you another 3db adjustment just in case you want the sub a bit louder. remember the goal is to not add positive trim or go past zero on the sub level gain). make sure the speakers are set small(atleast the center and surrounds).
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Maybe we ought to clarify just to be sure he’s not way off. If he does it the way I suggest he will only want to add 1-6 dB after level matching the SW. Of course he can go more but generally +1-6dB covers it. I usually stay between 0 - +3dB myself and use a calibration disk.
post #4627 of 9942
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A suggestion, a new thread should be started as the above question and replies (including my reply) are not Power Sound Audio related but instead, are general set-up and go types of questions and answers.

Yes a sticky thread would be good idea imo regarding the subject. Maybe something in big bold letters alerting new user’s that calibration of the SW comes in way under level of what most users prefer. This has been a long going issue with cal as you know... and then you could address your issue in detail.
Edited by steve nn - 8/3/13 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Maybe we ought to clarify just to be sure he’s not way off. If he does it the way I suggest he will only want to add 1-6 dB after level matching the SW. Of course he can go more but generally +1-6dB covers it. I usually stay between 0 - +3dB myself and use a calibration disk.

what i posted was agreeing to your post. its the same result stated differently just in case he was confused...however maybe all i did was cause further confusion?
post #4629 of 9942
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

what i posted was agreeing to your post. its the same result stated differently just in case he was confused...however maybe all i did was cause further confusion?

+1 I know, I just wanted to be sure he was on the same track as we were is all. We sort of started at different points.
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Steve & Basshead: I want to say thanks to both of you for the info, I'm just waking up so ill try those suggestions in a little while and let you guys no the results.
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

thats because ypao tends to set the sub output low for most folks liking. set the sub gain 2:00, run the calibration, ypao will probably pull it back to around -8, then add 5db back in so the level is around -3(this will give you another 3db adjustment just in case you want the sub a bit louder. remember the goal is to not add positive trim or go past zero on the sub level gain). make sure the speakers are set small(atleast the center and surrounds).


So would you say that not going past 0 on the sub trim on most or all avr's or pre/pro is the general rule of thumb.
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Ok guys! Major improvement, I did as suggested and the difference is night and day. Thanks for the input!
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Originally Posted by manonfire View Post

So would you say that not going past 0 on the sub trim on most or all avr's or pre/pro is the general rule of thumb.
Yes.. It helps keep distortion down.
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Ok guys! Major improvement, I did as suggested and the difference is night and day. Thanks for the input!

That's great!

EDIT> So what’s playing at the PDDUFRENE theater tonight?
Edited by steve nn - 8/3/13 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

thats because ypao tends to set the sub output low for most folks liking. set the sub gain 2:00, run the calibration, ypao will probably pull it back to around -8, then add 5db back in so the level is around -3(this will give you another 3db adjustment just in case you want the sub a bit louder. remember the goal is to not add positive trim or go past zero on the sub level gain). make sure the speakers are set small(atleast the center and surrounds).

Sh*t my Pioneer just took out 10db. I added back in 4, so I'm at minus 6. Haven't watched a movie since, but just prior to adjusting I watched transformers. Daddy likey... biggrin.gif
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Sh*t my Pioneer just took out 10db. I added back in 4, so I'm at minus 6. Haven't watched a movie since, but just prior to adjusting I watched transformers. Daddy likey... biggrin.gif

I have my Pioneer VSX-1122-K running at -2, I think after I first ran MCACC it had set it at -10 as well.
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I have my Pioneer VSX-1122-K running at -2, I think after I first ran MCACC it had set it at -10 as well.

Did you run a room measuring software program to measure the room's response to your subwoofer system or were your changes visceral in nature?
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I have my Pioneer VSX-1122-K running at -2, I think after I first ran MCACC it had set it at -10 as well.

I'm going to have to play around a bit with the sub level when it pertains to movies. Like I said I watched Transformers this morning and was blown away, and that was -10.

Going to watch hunger games tonight.
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Did you run a room measuring software program to measure the room's response to your subwoofer system or were your changes visceral in nature?

No measuring stuff here, just ran MCACC after I got my XV30F ( was using 2 Klipsch RW-12Ds before ) and haven't messed with anything else besides when I asked last week about the performance and changed the sub level in AVR from +6 to -2.
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

I'm going to have to play around a bit with the sub level when it pertains to movies. Like I said I watched Transformers this morning and was blown away, and that was -10.

Going to watch hunger games tonight.

Years ago it was hard to find a movie that had any good bass in it, but now it’s a common occurrence. Some of the heavy bass laden movies can be viewed with the bass scaled way back and still get a incredible amount. Things sure have changed.
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Years ago it was hard to find a movie that had any good bass in it, but now it’s a common occurrence. Some of the heavy bass laden movies can be viewed with the bass scaled way back and still get a incredible amount. Things sure have changed.

I guess so.... I love bass. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I was checking the thread when I saw CR there. All the cool kids are here so I stuck biggrin.gif

Good subs are like good cars. I'd like to try them all. That XS30 looks great, and dat Triax... biggrin.gif But importing a sub from the US is a major hassle, and I seriously don't need more. I doubt I could fit any PSA sub in my room anyway. The PC12-Pluses are barely breaking a sweat, even when I have a few minutes alone to pump up the volume. I simply love them, and the cylinder form factor is simply perfect for me.

I know what you mean wrt wanting to sample all the flavors, but I've reached my own end-game. I retired my NSD to my bedroom theater and upgraded my living room set with a pair of XS15s. Still have a VSW10 in my music setup... and so, I'm completely happy with my bass situation, finally :-) I check back here every now and then just to see what's up, but my hardware frenzy's run its course. It was quite an adventure :-)
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

I guess so.... I love bass. biggrin.gif

25 years from now you’ll be saying the same thing regarding some technology. LOL

I don’t know why but the first time I herd bass with a SW I was hooked! Maybe you relate?
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Originally Posted by manonfire View Post

So would you say that not going past 0 on the sub trim on most or all avr's or pre/pro is the general rule of thumb.

Thats correct! smile.gif
post #4644 of 9942
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

25 years from now you’ll be saying the same thing regarding some technology. LOL

I don’t know why but the first time I herd bass with a SW I was hooked! Maybe you relate?

Yep- first time I heard bass I remember the day, the location, the weather, and the truck it was installed in. I also remember the drivers. Hooked.... instantly. Like crack............ hey maybe that's why they call it free bassing. lol... ok ... time to put the beer down, go eat steak, grab some popcorn and watch hunger games.


Hello neighbor...! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Yep- first time I heard bass I remember the day, the location, the weather, and the truck it was installed in. I also remember the drivers. Hooked.... instantly. Like crack............ hey maybe that's why they call it free bassing. lol... ok ... time to put the beer down, go eat steak, grab some popcorn and watch hunger games.


Hello neighbor...! biggrin.gif

Beer, steak, popcorn, hunger games! Now hold it, wait for meee smile.gif
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Good movie...... My headache is gone...... Bass therapy. Now if only that would work on the little beer belly.

Tom? Could you work on that please?
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I was checking the thread when I saw CR there. All the cool kids are here so I stuck biggrin.gif

Good subs are like good cars. I'd like to try them all. That XS30 looks great, and dat Triax... biggrin.gif But importing a sub from the US is a major hassle, and I seriously don't need more. I doubt I could fit any PSA sub in my room anyway. The PC12-Pluses are barely breaking a sweat, even when I have a few minutes alone to pump up the volume. I simply love them, and the cylinder form factor is simply perfect for me.


LOL..........so, it is my fault then........tongue.gif

Hey, I received the call from RL Carriers on Friday and the sub is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow (Monday) between noon to 4:00 PM.

As soon it is here I'll share some pics...........cheers!
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Originally Posted by jarretc View Post

No measuring stuff here, just ran MCACC after I got my XV30F ( was using 2 Klipsch RW-12Ds before ) and haven't messed with anything else besides when I asked last week about the performance and changed the sub level in AVR from +6 to -2.

What kind of bass change did you experience going from two RW-12D's to a single XV30f?

Currently we're using three RW-12D's and when our 401(k) ship comes in, we're looking to either Rythmik or PSA. In PSA products, we want to lean toward sealed (XS30 and a XS15) for the lower response but that XV30f is just so damn sexy and coupled with a XV15 is going put out a lot of dB below 20Hz.

A 15Hz system would be nice as currently, with small mods to our Klipsch subwoofers, (empirically measured with REW) we've gotten to a usable 20Hz but the headroom isn't what I would like. A usable 15Hz with lots of headroom would be a stellar improvement.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 8/4/13 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

LOL..........so, it is my fault then........tongue.gif

Hey, I received the call from RL Carriers on Friday and the sub is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow (Monday) between noon to 4:00 PM.

As soon it is here I'll share some pics...........cheers!
Awe snap!!
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Originally Posted by PDDUFRENE View Post

BeeMan458

Is there a way that I can get buy for now until I get my computer fixed, with a SPL meter? And exactly what am I looking to achieve by using it? I'm new to this and would appreciate your knowledge.
Thanks

I'm happy you got the answers you were looking for with the SPL meter, I too believe it is an essential tool to have in your audio arsenal. It serves many purposes, I like to use it to cross check my calibration mic (cheap one that comes with Audyssey), I wish they would include a decent mic to accompany the high resolution of XT32 software, I won't get into that right now just wanted to say I'm happy you got the results and help you needed until your computer is fixed. wink.gif During the subwoofer setup part of Auddyssey I like to check the mic's reading with an accurate SPL meter, I'm just a little anal like that biggrin.gif
Cheers Jeff
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