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post #5161 of 9923
Good to know. Until the home theater i could have cared less about action/sci-fi movies. Since we've been up and running we've watched Iron Man one, and batman one and two (newer). While Batman I thought was just ok in the story area Iron Man I thought was excellent.

We are looking forward to two and three.
post #5162 of 9923
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Good to know. Until the home theater i could have cared less about action/sci-fi movies. Since we've been up and running we've watched Iron Man one, and batman one and two (newer). While Batman I thought was just ok in the story area Iron Man I thought was excellent.

We are looking forward to two and three.
Spiderman 2 is one of my faves. The Incredibile Hulk was great to. I love when the Hulk Jumps and the you get a giant thud from the subs.
post #5163 of 9923
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Good to know. Until the home theater i could have cared less about action/sci-fi movies. Since we've been up and running we've watched Iron Man one, and batman one and two (newer). While Batman I thought was just ok in the story area Iron Man I thought was excellent.

We are looking forward to two and three.

Same here, i dont go to the theater anymore just so i can wait for the bluerays. Man this year will be awesome, well have bluerays of superman, fast six, the riddick, world war z, and many more to watch, even 300 has a new one coming out. You have watched batman the dark knight rises yet? Man you gotta see it, story line sucks but the villian is super cool. The next 2 bluerays comin out is on monday i think, well have the great gatsby and pain & gain.
post #5164 of 9923
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Same here, i dont go to the theater anymore just so i can wait for the bluerays. Man this year will be awesome, well have bluerays of superman, fast six, the riddick, world war z, and many more to watch, even 300 has a new one coming out. You have watched batman the dark knight rises yet? Man you gotta see it, story line sucks but the villian is super cool. The next 2 bluerays comin out is on monday i think, well have the great gatsby and pain & gain.


Oh man..... I so far out of the loop. They have BR release days?? These are things I will learn to appreciate when I'm settled in and not tweaking crap all day every day.

I did watch dark night rises, and I did like the joker. I will watch it again without the wifey, because she's a not so loud type of girl. Well, right now anyways. I'm hopefully going to break her in.

I didn't give a chance on Hunger Games because that was our first movie on the big screen.
post #5165 of 9923
I bought the Mini DSP, hooked it to my laptop, read the PDF's on how to use it, but I dont have a CLUE as to what im looking at. I might as well be looking at hieroglyphics lol. I made some graphs, but like i say, I'm pretty clueless when it comes to this sound calibration thing.

@Blackmambakila, if you have someone come in to calibrate your system, he should have all the necessary tools to make it primo, you shouldnt have to buy something like the mini dsp to help him do the job youre already paying him to do. UNLESS you want to dink around with it after he leaves, post graphs to show off the earth shattering levels the Triax's are going to put out wink.gif
post #5166 of 9923
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

I bought the Mini DSP, hooked it to my laptop, read the PDF's on how to use it, but I dont have a CLUE as to what im looking at. I might as well be looking at hieroglyphics lol. I made some graphs, but like i say, I'm pretty clueless when it comes to this sound calibration thing.

@Blackmambakila, if you have someone come in to calibrate your system, he should have all the necessary tools to make it primo, you shouldnt have to buy something like the mini dsp to help him do the job youre already paying him to do. UNLESS you want to dink around with it after he leaves, post graphs to show off the earth shattering levels the Triax's are going to put out wink.gif

Its not that difficult, read the manual and head over to hometheatreshack.com and start reading.
post #5167 of 9923
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

Its not that difficult, read the manual and head over to hometheatreshack.com and start reading.

Yes, I have to do that, I only read the main setup and test PDF, then ran a bunch of tests. For some reason I must have missed where or how to do the step that plays the whitenoise so you can turn up the volume to 80db. When I try to do that step, it says your mic is already calibrated, you dont need to do this, so I end up running sweeps and have no idea what to set the main volume on my Onkyo at while running them.
post #5168 of 9923
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Oh man..... I so far out of the loop. They have BR release days?? These are things I will learn to appreciate when I'm settled in and not tweaking crap all day every day.

I did watch dark night rises, and I did like the joker. I will watch it again without the wifey, because she's a not so loud type of girl. Well, right now anyways. I'm hopefully going to break her in.

I didn't give a chance on Hunger Games because that was our first movie on the big screen.

Lol! Yeah I'm always tweaking or moving speakers, trying to make sure everything is ok. The joker is dark knight but the new one is the dark knight rises, that's the one you should check out, it's part 3 biggrin.gif. I liked hunger games, sound quality and picture was appealing. I really like fighting movie like Ip Man or The Raid but you can't forget about the scary stuff. I haven't found anything scary yet and that's what I want to experience with the home theater. All this crap that comes out isn't ever scary like the old days.
post #5169 of 9923
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

I bought the Mini DSP, hooked it to my laptop, read the PDF's on how to use it, but I dont have a CLUE as to what im looking at. I might as well be looking at hieroglyphics lol. I made some graphs, but like i say, I'm pretty clueless when it comes to this sound calibration thing.

@Blackmambakila, if you have someone come in to calibrate your system, he should have all the necessary tools to make it primo, you shouldnt have to buy something like the mini dsp to help him do the job youre already paying him to do. UNLESS you want to dink around with it after he leaves, post graphs to show off the earth shattering levels the Triax's are going to put out wink.gif

Lol it's a foreign language to me too, ima have to shell out the cash and let a pro finalize everything that way I can rest assured that my ht is to good potential. I don't mean to sound dumb but I was thinking if my receiver can't equalize my subs then don't I still have to buy a sub eq so that when the pro comes he can adjust it? Doesn't he just use his tools to determine how to adjust everything on my devices and positioning, ect? I hope I'm not confused
post #5170 of 9923
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

Yes, I have to do that, I only read the main setup and test PDF, then ran a bunch of tests. For some reason I must have missed where or how to do the step that plays the whitenoise so you can turn up the volume to 80db. When I try to do that step, it says your mic is already calibrated, you dont need to do this, so I end up running sweeps and have no idea what to set the main volume on my Onkyo at while running them.

Assuming you're using REW that message means you have a calibration file in the preference section under mic/meter tab.

What mic do you have?

To get the spl set properly in your case go to the preference screen on the first page at the bottom there is a section - see picture. Once you click next the noise will start, open up the REW spl meter and adjust your volume so the on screen meter reads 80. Close the spl meter window and the tones will stop. Done.

post #5171 of 9923
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Lol! Yeah I'm always tweaking or moving speakers, trying to make sure everything is ok. The joker is dark knight but the new one is the dark knight rises, that's the one you should check out, it's part 3 biggrin.gif. I liked hunger games, sound quality and picture was appealing. I really like fighting movie like Ip Man or The Raid but you can't forget about the scary stuff. I haven't found anything scary yet and that's what I want to experience with the home theater. All this crap that comes out isn't ever scary like the old days.

Gotcha... Dark Knight Rises is up next. I need to watch all three. I got lost. Like the crazy guy in the first one, I thought he was the joker, but then in the 2nd one you him briefly and it's obvious he isn't the joker. Didn't really ever figure out who he was....

My favorite movies are like HEAT, Goodfellows, The Departed, etc.... newest to that list is The Town. Love it.
post #5172 of 9923
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Gotcha... Dark Knight Rises is up next. I need to watch all three. I got lost. Like the crazy guy in the first one, I thought he was the joker, but then in the 2nd one you him briefly and it's obvious he isn't the joker. Didn't really ever figure out who he was....

My favorite movies are like HEAT, Goodfellows, The Departed, etc.... newest to that list is The Town. Love it.


It's so funny because I like movies so much then when I moved here to wyoming I found out there's no good theaters then I was like, you know what, I'm going to make my own setup. I got an awesome tv and the whole 9 yards then the last thing was the audio. I had no idea it got this complicated, holy crap! I'd start buying speakers and receivers then return them to get something better until it got to where I was satisfied. Then the better the equipment I bought the more things I had to add now I can't even calibrate what I have lol. Revurb, resonance, room layout, speaker positioning, ect. Man I'm not even trying to figure it all out I'm just paying a pro eek.gif I found this place called Nordic sound, ima call them tomorrow and see how they work. I know one thing though, once you get your setup to blow you away in movies it makes it all worth it! I'm glad I'm almost finished, ima take a break and enjoy what I have, but next year, well that's another story cool.gif I prob will start from scratch after I buy a house (I'm renting rite now) and the next time ill just go all out by hiring a company to do everything.
post #5173 of 9923
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Assuming you're using REW that message means you have a calibration file in the preference section under mic/meter tab.

What mic do you have?

To get the spl set properly in your case go to the preference screen on the first page at the bottom there is a section - see picture. Once you click next the noise will start, open up the REW spl meter and adjust your volume so the on screen meter reads 80. Close the spl meter window and the tones will stop. Done.


I have the Mini-DSP usb Mic, it came with a calibration text file also. I will try that tonight when I get home from work. Thanks!
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post #5174 of 9923
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Good advice guys, so then since I dont know how to manually tweak my subs then could I just buy a mini dsp and when I have a pro come over to cal my system could I just then have him manually use the mini dsp i buy along with his other calibrations?

Well I'm not sure how many pros are familiar with the Mini-DSP. I got a feeling the Mini-DSP was developed by and for the DIY community, not necessarily with the pros in mind.
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

I bought the Mini DSP, hooked it to my laptop, read the PDF's on how to use it, but I dont have a CLUE as to what im looking at. I might as well be looking at hieroglyphics lol. I made some graphs, but like i say, I'm pretty clueless when it comes to this sound calibration thing.

There are three separate things here.
  • The MiniDSP 2x4 processor. This is general-purpose, and can be used for a variety of tasks, depending on the plugin you buy. It's great to EQ subs but it's not even the main use for the device -- it's actually more often used as a digital crossover. So no wonder you feel lost looking at the instruction PDF. You should read howto's specifically for EQing the sub with the MiniDSP.
  • EQing requires you take measurements. This can be done with a variety of mics and SPL meters, including the MiniDSP UMIK-1 microphone. This is a USB microphone that comes with an individual calibration file. It was also developed in collaboration with the REW developer, so that it integrates really well with it.
  • REW is a free software available from HomeTheatherShack, that allows taking frequency response measurements, analyze them, and also generate inverse filters to EQ the sub. It can talk to a good half-dozen DSPs including the BFD and the MiniDSP, so that the filter parameters generated by REW can be directly uploaded and used on the MiniDSP.

Reading a bit on each of those is required to get started, unless you choose a full-auto solution such as the Antimode.
post #5175 of 9923
So I called this place up "nordic sound" and it looks promising. They do detailed home audio calibration. The tech wrote down all my equipment, room size, layout, ect Just to start and general plan going and over the weekend he will go over specs of everything i have. Then he will email as much info regarding their cal service that would meet my needs. After i look it over ima call and schedule them to come over and calibrate, tweak, and go over everything. I will schedule them to come right after The Triax arrives that way everything will be there. Im a little relieved that ill have some expert help on this part so i can atleast feel assured that ill be getting the most out of what i have for the time being.
post #5176 of 9923
Besides money and the inclusion of the outside human element (things usually go South when another human enters the equation), what one should look to, is the future movement of the room's content and how this movement (speaker placement, furniture, seating placement) will impact a room's measurements.
post #5177 of 9923
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

How is iron man 3?

Since you already watched 1, I'd say that 1 is the best. 3 like someone else mentioned, has an odd villain. I wasn't a fan either. 3 is loud, so that's the only reason I played it smile.gif

Will have to tube it up as you suggest. Electrician won't do it as AF breakers are code for the area now.
post #5178 of 9923
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Since you already watched 1, I'd say that 1 is the best. 3 like someone else mentioned, has an odd villain. I wasn't a fan either. 3 is loud, so that's the only reason I played it smile.gif

Will have to tube it up as you suggest. Electrician won't do it as AF breakers are code for the area now.

Really? Code? For the entire house? Wow.....

Just make sure you shut the main switch off. It wouldn't hurt to go to home depot or Lowes and grab a current tester. Looks like a big yellow felt pen and emits a loud beep when it senses current. Kline made mine. Turn it on, test to make sure it works, then shut the power down and double check with the pen.

I had a close call with the 220v dryer circuit. Grabbed some copper to aluminum couplers with a pair of pliers. I turned off the wrong breaker. Pliers teeth went thought the tape as I was pulling the wire out of the box. Knee was on the ceramic tile floor, rubber on the plier handles. I have no idea how I avoided it, but I felt it in my knee at the tile. Flash so big the painter up the hall dropped the paint bucket in his hands.

Took me a year to go near anything electrical. Point is even though you think its off its best to double check. Good luck.
post #5179 of 9923
Tom and Jim are still waiting on a delayed update for the drivers, I think it has to do with the suppliers magnet stock, no clue as to when that will happen, I don't want to keep pestering them, but this the latest update that I am aware of.
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Tom and Jim are still waiting on a delayed update for the drivers, I think it has to do with the suppliers magnet stock, no clue as to when that will happen, I don't want to keep pestering them, but this the latest update that I am aware of.
Tom and Jim have explained this quite a few times. There is an issue getting the magnets for the new drivers. Everyone is aware that ordered the Triax's. The update was and is, when they get the drivers, hopefully by Aug 26th, the subs will be put together and shipped by September. I am pretty certain that when the drivers land, they will issue an update.
post #5181 of 9923
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

So I called this place up "nordic sound" and it looks promising. They do detailed home audio calibration. The tech wrote down all my equipment, room size, layout, ect Just to start and general plan going and over the weekend he will go over specs of everything i have. Then he will email as much info regarding their cal service that would meet my needs. After i look it over ima call and schedule them to come over and calibrate, tweak, and go over everything. I will schedule them to come right after The Triax arrives that way everything will be there. Im a little relieved that ill have some expert help on this part so i can atleast feel assured that ill be getting the most out of what i have for the time being.

c'mon you can do it yourself...there is tutorials all over on how to calibrate a system. save yourself the coin and do it yourself that way you can taylor it to what sounds the best to you. Nothing worse than paying somebody to set up your system and not like the sound.
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Really? Code? For the entire house? Wow.....

Took me a year to go near anything electrical. Point is even though you think its off its best to double check. Good luck.

Yeah I have a house full of these SOBs. Make vacuuming a chore. I also have an old 27" trinotron Sony Tube CRT that trips a breaker 50% of the time when it's turned on. Wonder if I broke out cash what the electrician would say smile.gif Thanks for the warning, sounds like a scary experience!
post #5183 of 9923
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Originally Posted by stm69 View Post

Yeah I have a house full of these SOBs. Make vacuuming a chore. I also have an old 27" trinotron Sony Tube CRT that trips a breaker 50% of the time when it's turned on. Wonder if I broke out cash what the electrician would say smile.gif Thanks for the warning, sounds like a scary experience!

CFL's cause trouble also.
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Originally Posted by stm69 View Post

Yeah I have a house full of these SOBs. Make vacuuming a chore. I also have an old 27" trinotron Sony Tube CRT that trips a breaker 50% of the time when it's turned on. Wonder if I broke out cash what the electrician would say smile.gif Thanks for the warning, sounds like a scary experience!

Another problem you might think of is how this will affect your insurance should your house burn down......

Food for thought....

We just had a gas line installed for our barbecue. We were 2 ft. past the length where you don't need a permit. Five years ago I wouldn't have thought twice. I would have just done it without a permit. As I get older, and have had a couple dealings with ins. co. I think different.
post #5185 of 9923
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

c'mon you can do it yourself...there is tutorials all over on how to calibrate a system. save yourself the coin and do it yourself that way you can taylor it to what sounds the best to you. Nothing worse than paying somebody to set up your system and not like the sound.

Basshead I'd pay you if your available smile.gif I don't know it's just that I'm going over the basics and it seems logical and straightforward. Now as far as the technical side of ht goes, we'll I've drop in some of the threads and holy crap! The debating that goes on ( which by the way is entertainment and interesting ) just seems to go way past what I can realistically can learn being that my job doesn't give me the time to research what I'd like nor to spend hours calibrating and tweaking all the areas that are needed, although it looks fun. I usually post here from my phone being that in the oil field you work 80-100 hours a week. So I'm just getting to the point that maybe ill just have someone calibrate everything that way I can watch and ask questions for this first setup I have. By the time I plan a real ht setup ill learn as much as I can and be more independent with the 2nd setup. How in the world do you learn all this, like some kind of class or did you research and learn it on your own?
post #5186 of 9923
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

c'mon you can do it yourself...there is tutorials all over on how to calibrate a system. save yourself the coin and do it yourself that way you can taylor it to what sounds the best to you. Nothing worse than paying somebody to set up your system and not like the sound.

There are also a lot of tutorials out there explaining how to build your own subwoofers, yet you buy something that is already made wink.gif
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There are also a lot of tutorials out there explaining how to build your own subwoofers, yet you buy something that is already made wink.gif

Lol. He has a point...
post #5188 of 9923
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Originally Posted by jarretc View Post

There are also a lot of tutorials out there explaining how to build your own subwoofers, yet you buy something that is already made wink.gif

yep and I have built my own subs in the past...however turn key is more appealing at the price point internet direct offers.
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There are also a lot of tutorials out there explaining how to build your own subwoofers, yet you buy something that is already made wink.gif

Lol biggrin.gif Honestly I'd like to know what you guys know, but it'll take time since I'm so new to the HT world. Actually I use to be into car audio before this but home audio to me seems so much more complex yet there are some similarities. I think having my brain trained on car audio recreation kinda confuses me sometimes with HT. Getting a car to sound good is easy and you have so much less space and issues to deal with. I haven't been into that anymore lately, HT is like a new hobby that seems fun. Well ima try my best to research when I can.
post #5190 of 9923
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Basshead I'd pay you if your available smile.gif I don't know it's just that I'm going over the basics and it seems logical and straightforward. Now as far as the technical side of ht goes, we'll I've drop in some of the threads and holy crap! The debating that goes on ( which by the way is entertainment and interesting ) just seems to go way past what I can realistically can learn being that my job doesn't give me the time to research what I'd like nor to spend hours calibrating and tweaking all the areas that are needed, although it looks fun. I usually post here from my phone being that in the oil field you work 80-100 hours a week. So I'm just getting to the point that maybe ill just have someone calibrate everything that way I can watch and ask questions for this first setup I have. By the time I plan a real ht setup ill learn as much as I can and be more independent with the 2nd setup. How in the world do you learn all this, like some kind of class or did you research and learn it on your own?

No worries my friend...If I was not a couple thousand miles away I would stop over and help ya for free. I was just trying to spark some motivation in ya, however I completely understand being your schedule. I got into home theatre back when I was 14yrs old which was 18yrs ago. Back then there was no avr calibration softwar, things were a bit more simplistic. I put a nice 5.1 bed room system together with my own money earned from doing chores and part time work. I actually built a couple subs back then as well. All of my family and friends came to me when they needed help with home or car audio. I did get more into car audio once I started driving up until I was 22 or so...then I kind of got out of it all completely up until the last couple years. Now I am back into it more than ever...so yea even tho I have only been a member since March, Home Theatre is definately not new to me. If you ever have a question feel free to PM me smile.gif
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