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post #5431 of 9847
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Originally Posted by ahblaza View Post

I've been subless since the first week of June eek.gif, I was the second to purchase Triax, I'm serioulsly thinking of getting duals now, I've always had multiples, I returned in June XV15s and XS30s so now I have none.
Guys what you reco the UMIK and miniDSP or UMIK and REW or both, I have to learn to take measurements, please help.
Cheers Jeff, thanks Neut for the link, going there now.


Dont give up bro, try to wait a few more weeks because theyll be shipped locally so we should get em beefed up biggrin.gif I feel you though, no bass sucks but id prob be worth the last wait
post #5432 of 9847
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

A suggestion, bring the whole system into the room measurement as that's how we listen.

In our case, the pecking order of influence, the primary influence is the center channel, the mains have a miniscule influence and the surrounds have, for all intents and purposes, no influence.

For information purposes, the mains are Klipsch, Epic, CF-3's with two each, in each cabinet, 10" woofers (speaker sensitivity, 100dB) and the center channel, a RC-64 II has is rated at a 99dB sensitivity.

The separate (non-stacked) subwoofer to the right of the leather recliner is the dominant subwoofer and that's the subwoofer I use to steer the left side of our graph.

How are you liking that center channel? I have the RC62-II and it always feels like its missing something, my room isnt done or calibrated, just slapped together right now, but something about mine that makes it feel out of place.
post #5433 of 9847
What sounds funny? I have the RC-62 and it sounds ok.
post #5434 of 9847
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

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R u serious? Man I would of done that for sure if id known! mad.gif If u dont mind me asking, what setup did u have it with and how did it perform for you?
I still have it. I have been thinking about putting it the AVS classifieds. I have been on the fence about moving up to separates. I have a new Emotiva XPA-3 that is not being used, because I just do not need it with my JTR's. The 4520 has more than enough to power my mains.
post #5435 of 9847
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

I still have it. I have been thinking about putting it the AVS classifieds. I have been on the fence about moving up to separates. I have a new Emotiva XPA-3 that is not being used, because I just do not need it with my JTR's. The 4520 has more than enough to power my mains.

How much power does that emotiva put out at 8 ohms?
post #5436 of 9847
I have one, the XPA-3 gives 200w per channel at 8ohms.
post #5437 of 9847
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

How are you liking that center channel?

It was one of the best upgrades we've made. In our case, after years of difficult to understand dialogue with an earlier Klipsch center channel, dialogue is now easy to understand.
post #5438 of 9847
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Dont give up bro, try to wait a few more weeks because theyll be shipped locally so we should get em beefed up biggrin.gif I feel you though, no bass sucks but id prob be worth the last wait

I'm not giving up my man, I've been with PSA since it's inception, I'm just struggling whether or not to get dual Triaxs, I think I will just stick with one and go from there, thanks.
post #5439 of 9847
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Originally Posted by ahblaza View Post

I'm just struggling whether or not to get dual Triaxs,

Isn't that kinda like struggling with; do I want a third beer with my steak?

(I'm not doing the driving)
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I wonder if the second gen XPA-3 will still be rated at 200w @ 8ohm or if it'll be a small bump up. It would be nice to see it have 250w per channel.
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Originally Posted by ahblaza View Post

I'm not giving up my man, I've been with PSA since it's inception, I'm just struggling whether or not to get dual Triaxs, I think I will just stick with one and go from there, thanks.

Just think, your enclosure is already made just waiting for some massive drivers to be installed and off it will go. I'm going to try the first one and pair it with my Trinity, then if they pressurize my room enough to hurt me and respond well then ill stick with that. Maybe this recent upgrade will make 1 Triax plenty fun! biggrin.gif I'd like a 2nd one though but I'd probably have to upgrade my whole system just to keep up with the full potential of dual Triaxs.
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what color is that first one? looks pretty close to the cherry on the old Edge/Aperion speakers I'm trying to match.
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I think Maple
post #5445 of 9847
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

It was one of the best upgrades we've made. In our case, after years of difficult to understand dialogue with an earlier Klipsch center channel, dialogue is now easy to understand.

I dont know how to describe what I dont like about the RC-62 II, I mean I do like it, but it just sounds detached from the movie or something, its hard to explain. I bumped the volume up a couple DB after running the quick setup of audessy, but I just dont know what I dont like about it. It almost sounds like its too small for the sound of the rest of the system, I know im doing a horrible job of trying to describe it lol.
post #5446 of 9847
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Originally Posted by Joshjp View Post

Here is a couple pic to look at that Tom posted in the Blu-ray forum.


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my god that Triax is a monster. I think the neighbors would have me drawn and quartered if I had 2 of those blasting out.
post #5447 of 9847
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

I dont know how to describe what I dont like about the RC-62 II, I mean I do like it, but it just sounds detached from the movie or something, its hard to explain. I bumped the volume up a couple DB after running the quick setup of audessy, but I just dont know what I dont like about it. It almost sounds like its too small for the sound of the rest of the system, I know im doing a horrible job of trying to describe it lol.
What other speakes do you have? I have the RF-62's for the fronts and the RC-62 is good but it doesnt sound as good as the RF-62.
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

my god that Triax is a monster. I think the neighbors would have me drawn and quartered if I had 2 of those blasting out.
Lol yea its bigger then i thought ( thats what she said)
post #5449 of 9847
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Originally Posted by ahblaza View Post

I've been subless since the first week of June eek.gif, I was the second to purchase Triax, I'm serioulsly thinking of getting duals now, I've always had multiples, I returned in June XV15s and XS30s so now I have none.
Guys what you reco the UMIK and miniDSP or UMIK and REW or both, I have to learn to take measurements, please help.
Cheers Jeff, thanks Neut for the link, going there now.

I think I was the first to purchase smile.gif

I am going with duals to replace 3 XV15's, 2 SVS PB12+/2's and a SVS PB12+, the Triax's will have some pretty big shoes to fill.
post #5450 of 9847
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post


I am going with duals to replace 3 XV15's, 2 SVS PB12+/2's and a SVS PB12+, the Triax's will have some pretty big shoes to fill.


Luckily you choosed a successor with a pretty big footprint to fill these shoes...cool.gif
post #5451 of 9847
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Originally Posted by Joshjp View Post

What other speakes do you have? I have the RF-62's for the fronts and the RC-62 is good but it doesnt sound as good as the RF-62.

My fronts are two RB-61 II's, sides and surrounds are four RS-41's, center is the RC-62 II, and 2 PSA XV15's subs. I have 4 more Speakercraft M8T's to go in the ceiling and wall for front wides and heights, but they arent hooked up yet, my Onkyo 818 cant do 9.2 without an external amp anyways, I'm just sticking those in to kind of "future-proof" the room.
The room isnt done yet, no drywall yet, no carpet, no soundproofing, maybe it will sound better when I actually finish the room, but who knows. The subs sure pound though. biggrin.gif
post #5452 of 9847
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Originally Posted by ahblaza View Post

I'm not giving up my man, I've been with PSA since it's inception, I'm just struggling whether or not to get dual Triaxs, I think I will just stick with one and go from there, thanks.
I will give a little insight to bailing on the Triax's. If anyone does decide to bail, I am about 95% positive you will not get anything remotely in this league delivered in or about three weeks. You will not pick up the phone and have something coming by the end of the week. Most if not all are custom orders and not much stock laying around. I actually did get an email from a very reputable subwoofer builder and had an offer for a pair of subs he happen to have ready for immediate delivery and I was half tempted, but I am with PSA for the long haul! (Those subs have been sold and the wait would be a month or two now) My advise is for everyone to wait it out, it will be here before you know it and your going to be getting a bad @ss subwoofer or two biggrin.gif
Edited by Reefdvr27 - 9/1/13 at 7:21am
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^ that is the truth right there! The fact of the matter is that right now Pretty much ALL of the ID sub companies are having supply issues, this is not an issue specific to just PSA. Hang in there guys, the value is very high here.
post #5454 of 9847
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

My fronts are two RB-61 II's, sides and surrounds are four RS-41's, center is the RC-62 II,...

Just saying,.....the RC-64 II might be a terrible match for your RB-61 II's as the sensitivity rating on the RB-61 II's is much less than the RC-64 II.

Timbre wise, it seems they would be a good match as they all use the same 6.5" woofer. If you were to add a RC-64 II to your system, it would seem one would need to add another pair of RB-61's to their system and by stacking/coupling the RB-61's, the output would be similar and there would be less chance of the RC-64 II, overpowering your RB-61's.

Personally, I think a set of three RC-64 II's would make for a killer front three but then images of deep pockets come to mind.

(check with AVS sales and see if they can work you a deal. acoustic sound design has RC-64 II b-stock for $1,049.00.)

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 9/1/13 at 10:05am
post #5455 of 9847
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Just saying,.....the RC-64 II might be a terrible match for your RB-61 II's as the sensitivity rating on the RB-61 II's is much less than the RC-64 II.

Timbre wise, it seems they would be a good match as they all use the same 6.5" woofer. If you were to add a RC-64 II to your system, it would seem one would need to add another pair of RB-61's to their system and by stacking/coupling the RB-61's, the output would be similar and there would be less chance of the RC-64 II, overpowering your RB-61's.

Personally, I think a set of three RC-64 II's would make for a killer front three but then images of deep pockets come along.

(check with AVS sales and see if they can work you a deal. acoustic sound design has RC-64 II b-stock for $1,049.00.)

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I think you like comb filtering. Rc 64 has multiple drivers playing same frequency horizontal, rotating your mains to introduce early side wall reflections, and now recommending more than one speaker on a channel. Beeman we have butted heads before and i think you have come a long way, but i still wish you would start threads to discuss your "out of the box" thinking and the science behind what we hear instead of just recommending in random threads. Here is some reading material.
http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/vertical-vs-horizontal-speaker-designs
http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/center-channel-designs

Anyways on topic the triax looks to be a really nice sub at the intoductory price. Driver supply delays have been an issue for many companies since i have been around avs. I agree with gorilla (congrats! lack of sleep yet?), you just cant pick up these raw materials at rat shack and slap a driver together. Hang in there guys, i am looking forward to reading all your thoughts when these beasts start getting out there in a few weeks. cool.gif
Edited by Luke Kamp - 9/1/13 at 9:36am
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You just cant pick up these raw materials at rat shack and slap a driver together.

Lol biggrin.gif so true
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Ok guys I need some much needed advice. I'm just a newbie so I've come to find out that my weakness in my setup seems to be my bowers and Wilkins cm8 series speakers due to the fact that the fronts have a sensitivity of 88 db and center is 86db. Ok so my question is this, If I went through the hassle of exchanging my speakers one last time, how much of an improvement would it be if I got a set of Klipsch RF-7 II speaker system?

Bowers and Wilkins cm 8 fronts- 150w rms max, 88 db sensitivity
Klipsch RF-7 II fronts- 1000w rms max, 101 db sensitivity

Bowers and Wilkins center- 120w rms max, 86db sensitivity
Klipsch center- 800w rms max, 99 db sensitivity

Looking at the difference comparing what I have with bowers and what I could have with Klipsch, would this be a good move if I can pull it off?
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I don't know much about Klipsch but I noticed a lot of people here have them smile.gif
post #5459 of 9847
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Ok so my question is this, If I went through the hassle of exchanging my speakers one last time, how much of an improvement would it be if I got a set of Klipsch RF-7 II speaker system?

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Looking at the difference comparing what I have with bowers and what I could have with Klipsch, would this be a good move if I can pull it off?

If I were to do it all over again, I'd buy three, b-stock, RC-64 II's at $1,049.00 each.

(when I put the original system together, Klipsch didn't have the RC-64 II's on the market. Currently, we have one (b-stock) as a center channel. At the price of the RC-64 II, I doubt there's a better center channel to be had. In my opinion, if one wanted better, they'd have to step up to the likes of a much more expensive Martin Logan based sound reproduction system. We have the earlier sibling to the RF-7 II's, Klipsch, Epic, CF-3's for mains.

Performance, price, quality of sound in a reduced size. Couple this front three (RC-64 II) with your pending pair of Triax's and the 4520CI, you'll have a system you can be buried with: to die for.

In my opinion, with the advent of ID subwoofers like the PSA product line, the advent of bass managing AVR's and high quality speakers like the RC-64 II, the day of "LARGE," floor standing mains for Home Theater purposes, like the PC.......are over.

(this is being posted using my desktop, packaged in a big gray, on the floor box, while it's many fans whir noticeably away in the background, PC)

For more recommendations, check with the guys over on the speaker forum. A lot of good experience to be had there.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 9/1/13 at 11:12am
post #5460 of 9847
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

If I were to do it all over again, I'd buy three, b-stock, RC-64 II's at $1,049.00 each.

(when I put the original system together, Klipsch didn't have the RC-64 II's on the market. Currently, we have one (b-stock) as a center channel. At the price of the RC-64 II, I doubt there's a better center channel to be had. In my opinion, if one wanted better, they'd have to step up to the likes of a much more expensive Martin Logan based sound reproduction system. We have the earlier sibling to the RF-7 II's, Klipsch, Epic, CF-3's for mains.

Performance, price, quality of sound in a reduced size. Couple this front three (RC-64 II) with your pending pair of Triax's and the 4520CI, you'll have a system you can be buried with: to die for.

In my opinion, with the advent of ID subwoofers like the PSA product line, the advent of bass managing AVR's and high quality speakers like the RC-64 II, the day of "LARGE," floor standing mains for Home Theater purposes, like the PC.......are over.

(this is being posted using my desktop, packaged in a big gray, on the floor box, while it's many fans whir noticeably away in the background, PC)

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So this is my plan since my system is down due to waiting for my additions, I'd have this setup if I can pull it off this week,

Sharp aquos quattron 80in led tv
Denon 4520Ci receiver
Klipsch RF-7 II front towers
Klipsch RC-64 II center
Klipsch RS-62 II surrounds
Def Tech Trinity sub
PSA Triax sub
Denon DBT-3311 UDCI blue-ray player

How does this look if I want movies to sound loud but clear? If my speakers will have +13 DBs on the sensitivity and handle way more power won't this mean that I won't have to turn up my volume as much as I would with the Bowers And Wilkins?
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