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This is all Blackmambakila's fault biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

All posted as opinion.

"Moving on to the numbers, things get a little more interesting. The RB-81 II has a rated sensitivity of 97dB and a low end extension of 44Hz, which taken together is likely to be an optimistic appraisal of the situation. Klipsch is known to rate both figures as "in room", meaning if you were to compare these specs with that of another manufacturer that rated their speakers under anechoic conditions, you'd need to knock off about 4dB of sensitivity and 10Hz of extension to get something approaching an apples to apples comparison.

It's unfortunate in my opinion that Klipsch feels a need to do this. Even assuming the RB-81 II's sensitivity is closer to 93dB w/ 2.83V @ 1m rather than 97dB, combined with an 8 ohm nominal rating, it should still be very easy to drive for a partnering amplifier."

And when one goes to Home Theater, they acknowledge doing measurements in a "quasi" anechoic environment which will introduce differences in measurements. Yes, you along with others got a hate thing going for Klipsch and you can keep your hate for Klipsch.

I dont hate klipsch at all...I have a 10k pair of Klipsch horns in my shop that were handed down I could sell. However I chose to keep them because they sound great and they are a classic. I also have several pair of klipsch rb-82's(older model or equivalent) hooked up to some of our juke boxes. they sound great but they require more power to drive then Polk RTI bookshelfs. Both sound great, but I prefer the Polks. We have run several different types of speakers ranging from Polk, Klipsch, Bose 301, Advent..etc.
Edited by basshead81 - 9/1/13 at 9:20pm
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

...there's too much arguing and other things going on....

You were saying........ wink.gif
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Originally Posted by jarretc View Post

This is all Blackmambakila's fault biggrin.gif

Hey I'm just learning, I'm a newbie biggrin.gif Actually I've learned a lot coming here so far. Every forum on the web has debating, but I think it's good to see all the ways of analyzing these devices and to see different people's opinions and facts. It seems that with Home audio that the more budget one has the more options there are and so on. I see set ups on the web that are prob hundreds of thousands of dollars eek.gif
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

You were saying........ wink.gif

I guess debating is good to see all possibilities, I wish I knew enough to debate, it be fun biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

Thats great Steve...I have no issues with Klipsch. Read Bee's response to Jbrown. He asked why he thought the JTR's were better. I simply stated from researching speakers, Klipsch tends to overrate thier sensitivity rating, its nothing new. However it does not make them a bad speaker at all...just add more power if you need more volume. Its apparent Bee has ran into this issue with his 5007..Fwiw I have a pair of Old Klipsch Horns in my shop that my grandfather handed down. They are some kick ass bohemoths...

No bass you took me wrong, that was a serious question I asked. I know you’re not bashing Klipsh and didn’t take it as such. I’m just wondering why when it does go on it doesn’t bother me. I can think of a certain member we all listen to that goes on about the sensitivity ratings regarding klipsch and I could give a sh— just like I could give a sh— regarding his news preferences. Oh! that’s another post though. biggrin.gif
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I looked at Klipsch, almost ended up with them.

FWIW you can get a hefty discount by purchasing them through this website. wink.gif
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Like I said, I don't hate Klipsch speakers at all. Quite the opposite, I do like them, I've heard a buddy's complete Ultra 2 setup along with a pair of RF-7 II's with a RC-64 centre channel and I'd take the 228HT's any day of the week over both of those setups. I was also able to demo a pair of Paradigm Studio 100's and matching CC-690 centre channel in my room for just over a week, and again IMO the 228HT's are just better.

Sound is so subjective though so I can never figure out why people get there panties in a knot when someone says a certain speaker sounds better then something else that they like. I still haven't heard a speaker that costs $2000 or less that sounds better then a 228HT for movie use. And I say movie use because that's what my setup is used for.
Edited by jbrown15 - 9/2/13 at 1:06am
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

The Klipsch are both nice setups and I was really considering getting a Ultra 2 setup and as the volume went up I liked them less and less.
I personally just found after watching an entire movie at something like -10 to -5 it was just fatiguing. I've never felt like that with the 228HT's, its not even funny how long and crystal clear with awesome detail yet still crazy dynamic these speakers can play. IMO opinion they are just plain out better then anything I've heard from Klipsch and I'm not trying to put down Klipsch because I do like them.

I know some people won't like JTR because of the looks, but I'd put my speakers up against anything else that's under $2000 per speaker for movie use.

Another thing I like about the 228HT's is that it doesn't matter if your listen to movies at -25 or +10, the speakers sound just as good at either volumes and never seem to loose their composure. The sound great at super low volumes and don't distort or sound bad at very high levels.

First things first, absolutely, looks do matter. And looks (finish) cost. And if you're one of those people (which I am) who "CARE" about how your speakers look while just sitting there doing nothing, "LOOKS" matter and in my opinion, aesthetics are a valid part of the whole. In the case of living rooms, life has evolved beyond auditoriums of the 50's. If my wife and bank account would allow for, we'd be discussing Martin Logans as opposed to Klipsch speaker systems.

The last movie we listened to was "Life of Pi." We listened to the movie at -37. Believe it or not, listening at these levels was compelling. I'm a -10 kinda guy and whether -37 or +/-0dB, I haven't a sonic complaint in the world and that's the rub. It seems you're comparing the RC-64 II to a Ultra2 and I'm listening to and posting about the "REFERENCE" series speaker. At these levels, you're not happy with the output of the Ultra2 series and I'm not posting about the Ultra2 series speakers. My comments surround the Reference series that the RC-64 II is a part of. Out of fairness, these are two totally different speaker systems and cannot be written about as if they're some sort of "MORAL" equivalent.

Unfortunately, there's no way, I'm able to convey the airy clarity (purity) of our system to the world at +/- 0dB. The point, maybe we hit the sonic jackpot and I don't realize it.
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thread cleanup
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"I do not like the Cone of Shame." -- Dug
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Good Morning....Lol
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These rebel rousers around here. smile.gif
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Wow, when did this transform into the official Klipsch thread?

Almost zero PSA discussion on the last several pages.
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Going off topic isn't an offense. I think Mark was trying to remove the aggressive, combative posts.
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Seriously enjoying Daft Punk's Random Access Memories right now. That's funny because when I play it anywhere but my HT system, it's kinda boring, but the XS15s give the room that mid-bass bounce, make you wanna dance! --and I don't even dance. Disco died too young mad.gif
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

First things first, absolutely, looks do matter. And looks (finish) cost. And if you're one of those people (which I am) who "CARE" about how your speakers look while just sitting there doing nothing, "LOOKS" matter and in my opinion, aesthetics are a valid part of the whole. In the case of living rooms, life has evolved beyond auditoriums of the 50's. If my wife and bank account would allow for, we'd be discussing Martin Logans as opposed to Klipsch speaker systems.

The last movie we listened to was "Life of Pi." We listened to the movie at -37. Believe it or not, listening at these levels was compelling. I'm a -10 kinda guy and whether -37 or +/-0dB, I haven't a sonic complaint in the world and that's the rub. It seems you're comparing the RC-64 II to a Ultra2 and I'm listening to and posting about the "REFERENCE" series speaker. At these levels, you're not happy with the output of the Ultra2 series and I'm not posting about the Ultra2 series speakers. My comments surround the Reference series that the RC-64 II is a part of. Out of fairness, these are two totally different speaker systems and cannot be written about as if they're some sort of "MORAL" equivalent.

Unfortunately, there's no way, I'm able to convey the airy clarity (purity) of our system to the world at +/- 0dB. The point, maybe we hit the sonic jackpot and I don't realize it.

I'm not comparing the Ultra 2's to the Reference series, I'm simply saying that I've heard both lines from Klipsch and I'd still take the JTR's over either.
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

I'm not comparing the Ultra 2's to the Reference series, I'm simply saying that I've heard both lines from Klipsch and I'd still take the JTR's over either.

And based on your gear list, it looks like you liked them so much, you bought three of them. wink.gif
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Wow deleated another one of my postes, sweet thanks, Tom said the new Triax drivers measure a little better, im assuming maybe a DB more but im unsure of that, but he said they keep there composer better at higher volumes.
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Wow deleated another one of my postes, sweet thanks,

Sorry I was mad at yuh for calling me a old man so I turned you in to the mods. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Sorry I was mad at yuh for calling me a old man so I turned you in to the mods. biggrin.gif

LOL....Steve are you being a d-bag again! biggrin.gif:p
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Sorry I was mad at yuh for calling me a old man so I turned you in to the mods. biggrin.gif
Its ok, just guess you a bad egg. smile.gif
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Triax baby
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Originally Posted by Joshjp View Post

Wow deleated another one of my postes, sweet thanks, Tom said the new Triax drivers measure a little better, im assuming maybe a DB more but im unsure of that, but he said they keep there composer better at higher volumes.

Man I can't wait! Let me ask you this just out of curiosity, how would you think a comparison of the Triax to the Orbit Shifter? I know the orbit costs more and I think you have to buy your own amp so that puts you at double the cost as a Triax, even so I wonder what the difference would be between the 2?
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Man I can't wait! Let me ask you this just out of curiosity, how would you think a comparison of the Triax to the Orbit Shifter? I know the orbit costs more and I think you have to buy your own amp so that puts you at double the cost as a Triax, even so I wonder what the difference would be between the 2?

Actually once the pre-order pricing is over on the Triax subs a Orbit Shifter LFU will be basically be the exact same price. The Orbit Shifter is $2999 plus about $200 for shipping.
Well above 25hz I would think the OS would actually have an advantage over a Triax in output. Below 20hz I think the Triax would have the advantage, anyone not familiar with the Orbit Shifter should know that it has twice the output of a Captivator S2 above 25hz. The Cap S2 and Triax would have very close performance, the Cap S2 use two high quality 18" drivers with over 30mm xmax and the same amp at the Triax.

Above 25hz Jeff from JTR has said you would need two Cap S2's to equal a OS, so it's a pretty impressive sub IMO. Of course its a horn design so it has it's compromises as well.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Joshjp View Post

Wow deleated another one of my postes, sweet thanks, Tom said the new Triax drivers measure a little better, im assuming maybe a DB more but im unsure of that, but he said they keep there composer better at higher volumes.

I'm hoping for some specs and or pics on these new drivers soon. But I also don't want Tom and Jim to put more on their plate right now. At least they where able to make the driver problem into a positive.

Also sounds like the driver might have a little lower distortion / at high excursion.
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Thread Starter 
A review (sub round up) from Sound and Vision Magazine. Featuring NHT B-12d ($799), Paradigm Monitor SUB 10 ($849)
, Power Sound Audio XV15 ($799), SVS PC12-NSD ($749), Velodyne EQ-Max 12 ($799)

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/review-800-subwoofers?page=0,0

Here is a quote from the end of the review,
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Take one look at these subwoofers and it’s obvious they were designed for different types of buyers. No one of sound mind would ask, “Gosh, should I buy the Paradigm Monitor SUB 10 or the Power Sound Audio XV15?” That’s like asking, “Should I buy a Fiat 500 or a Ford F-150?”

Geoff reinforced this idea when, after I revealed the subs’ identities, he concluded, “I could make a good case for buying the NHT or the Power Sound, but for completely different reasons.” These two subs exhibit nearly opposite strengths and weaknesses: one small, décor-friendly, and audiophile-oriented, and the other huge, décor-hostile, and home theaterphile-oriented.

That said, some of these subs are better buys than others. For raw home theater power, our pick is the Power Sound Audio XV15. If you don’t like that model’s bulky form factor, you’ll lose little or nothing sonically by going with the SVS PC12-NSD. For audiophiles who want precision and finesse and don’t care about powerful, ultra-deep bass — or who need a décor-friendly subwoofer to preserve domestic peace — our pick is the NHT B-12d.
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I have no idea bro, but i do think the JTR S2 would have more output then the Triax, thats just my opinion.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Joshjp View Post

I have no idea bro, but i do think the JTR S2 would have more output then the Triax, thats just my opinion.

I doubt it. Same amp , likely similar cone area, they will likely be within a few db of each other. Mostly down to driver characteristics xmax difference /. efficiency ecete)
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Originally Posted by Joshjp View Post

Its ok, just guess you a bad egg. smile.gif

No I was just playin with yuh budy. I got a good laugh out of you saying some of us old timers are pretty funny or something like that. I would never do such a thing. cool.gif
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LOL....Steve are you being a d-bag again! tongue.gif

Not me! never
Edited by steve nn - 9/2/13 at 2:06pm
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