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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Thanks for the offer! Appreciate that.

You just wanna see my six SI 18s ....... don't lie. tongue.gif

Edited by steve nn - 9/23/13 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by jarretc View Post

I think it was good for movies, but it didn't have enough bass for the type of music I listen to ( EDM - techno,trance,dance,house,etc. ) so I'm hoping that the Triax will have enough. The XV30F was close to getting the pressurization that I'm looking for but it just didn't have enough power. Tom said that the Triax should supply 2-2.5 times the amount of bass though so I may be happy with that or I may still want more....we will see biggrin.gif

If you don't mind me asking, what gain level were you running at? That's the kind of music (my wife will argue this) that I like and sometimes I don't feel like I get the most oomph possible from the pair of XV30s I use. If I have them tuned to where they sound good on movies, the audio part lacks a little. Course my listening area leaves much to be desired. Placement is crap with sitting in a null, not about to corner load, not much boundary effects to speak of with a thin wall, carpet thick pad over concrete slab and a very large 5-6k cu/ft area to pressurize.

Even with all that, I've found that there's joy to be had if you crank the gain past 2 to 3 pm and then they'll really start pumping.
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Originally Posted by stm69 View Post

If you don't mind me asking, what gain level were you running at? That's the kind of music (my wife will argue this) that I like and sometimes I don't feel like I get the most oomph possible from the pair of XV30s I use. If I have them tuned to where they sound good on movies, the audio part lacks a little. Course my listening area leaves much to be desired. Placement is crap with sitting in a null, not about to corner load, not much boundary effects to speak of with a thin wall, carpet thick pad over concrete slab and a very large 5-6k cu/ft area to pressurize.

Even with all that, I've found that there's joy to be had if you crank the gain past 2 to 3 pm and then they'll really start pumping.

I've been non-stop fiddling with my XV30f for weeks (no measuring equipment/EQ other than Audyssey XT) and this past weekend I finally hit the jackpot. I was having to run it 11+db hot in my 8k cubic ft. listening space to get decent bass. No matter where I placed it or how I turned it, as soon as I ran Audyssey it would suck the life out of the sub. I guess I just don't like "flat" bass?

I was coming from a VTF3.4 that allowed me to run Audyssey then tweak the sub after the fact from eq1 and 1 port open to eq2 with 2 ports open. I've been wracking my brain trying to duplicate this with the XV in some way outside of just cranking the amp on the sub (which didn't correct the "sound" issue) and I admit I was resistant to spending more money on measuring equipment and a miniDSP.

I finally found that if I put the sub in a corner, turned it to fire at the main LP then ran Audyssey... I could then turn it to face the wall afterwards and it not only blended better but I was able to turn the gain down to only run around +3 to 4db hot. If I turned it facing the wall first then ran Audyssey..I had to crank the gain to get some bass back and it didn't sound as good.

I know its not scientific..but it worked biggrin.gif

*updated to add that I went ahead and ordered the miniDSP+ SPL meter because curiosity got the better of me and I want to know WHY I like the sound better after this weekend.
Edited by GunmetalR56 - 9/24/13 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by stm69 View Post

Placement is crap with sitting in a null, not about to corner load, not much boundary effects to speak of with a thin wall, carpet thick pad over concrete slab and a very large 5-6k cu/ft area to pressurize.

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Originally Posted by GunmetalR56 View Post

I was having to run it 11+db hot in my 8k cubic ft. listening space to get decent bass. No matter where I placed it or how I turned it, as soon as I ran Audyssey it would suck the life out of the sub. I guess I just don't like "flat" bass?

It seems to be some sort of unwritten, "Murphy's Acoustical Law", that the deepest null will take place at the MLP and without room measuring capability, there's zero hope of getting the best out of one's subwoofer system. That being said, I've also found, a room doesn't come alive until a third subwoofer is added to the subwoofer system.

With all the above in mind.......good-luck! tongue.gif
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I'm all for a 3rd sub (or even a 2nd)..but not sure my wife agrees with me smile.gif

I've requested that our next house have a basement and after what I've done to our living room she is on board 100%.
Edited by GunmetalR56 - 9/24/13 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by stm69 View Post

If you don't mind me asking, what gain level were you running at? That's the kind of music (my wife will argue this) that I like and sometimes I don't feel like I get the most oomph possible from the pair of XV30s I use. If I have them tuned to where they sound good on movies, the audio part lacks a little. Course my listening area leaves much to be desired. Placement is crap with sitting in a null, not about to corner load, not much boundary effects to speak of with a thin wall, carpet thick pad over concrete slab and a very large 5-6k cu/ft area to pressurize.

Even with all that, I've found that there's joy to be had if you crank the gain past 2 to 3 pm and then they'll really start pumping.

I don't mind at all, I was running between 2 and 3 o'clock but don't have a picture of the exact setting. I never turned it up past that because the manual said not to and I'd rather caution on the side of error when messing around with a $1400 piece of equipment that I'm not familiar with biggrin.gif

I also have a large area to work with being over 8,000 cubic feet.
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post


It seems to be some sort of unwritten, "Murphy's Acoustical Law", that the deepest null will take place at the MLP and without room measuring capability, there's zero hope of getting the best out of one's subwoofer system. That being said, I've also found, a room doesn't come alive until a third subwoofer is added to the subwoofer system.

With all the above in mind.......good-luck! tongue.gif

Well guess I better just cancel my Triax order since I'm not going with 3 and I won't be happy with it rolleyes.gif
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I've been non-stop fiddling with my XV30f for weeks (no measuring equipment/EQ other than Audyssey XT) and this past weekend I finally hit the jackpot.

If you haven't already, allow me to encourage you to download a freeware copy of REW so you'll stand the best chance of getting the most out of your subwoofer system.

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Originally Posted by GunmetalR56 View Post

I'm all for a 3rd sub (or even a 2nd)..but not sure my wife agrees with me smile.gif

In time, when her needs are taken care of, it will be time to say, "Wife of mine, I have taken care of your needs and now it's time for you, to take care of mine." biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by jarretc View Post

Well guess I better just cancel my Triax order since I'm not going with 3 and I won't be happy with it rolleyes.gif
You will be fine. Not always but in general a man owns 3 subs b/c he doesn't have 1 good one.
One good sub can go along way. Add an identical twin and the bass will be covered.smile.gif
The Triax is a good sub.
2 cents
Chris
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I certainly can't imagine a 2nd XV30 right now except to even things out...I can't even imagine 2 Triax! I was watching Rise of the Lycans last night and during the scene where they are charging the vampire castle it sounded/felt like a herd of elephants coming through the house eek.gif My wife came downstairs to see what on earth I was watching and just shook her head.
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

If you haven't already, allow me to encourage you to download a freeware copy of REW so you'll stand the best chance of getting the most out of your subwoofer system.

I've ordered the mini and SPL meter. Didn't really want to go this deep down the rabbit hole but looks like I'm going anyway..
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A Triax update? This is from part of a post Tom posted today...
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...With regards to the Triax, once we have all the pre-orders fulfilled a price increase is expected. I'd say 7-10 days max for that. Just a heads-up.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


You will be fine. Not always but in general a man owns 3 subs b/c he doesn't have 1 good one.
One good sub can go along way. Add an identical twin and the bass will be covered.smile.gif
The Triax is a good sub.
2 cents
Chris

It has nothing to do with the quality of Beemans subs. The best sub on the planet combined with a bad response will will leave one disappointed. 3 lesser subs with a great response will sound better...I wont be suprised if my 3 XV15 setup sounds better then a single Triax in most rooms. Only the folks that do not measure would assume otherwise.
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

It has nothing to do with the quality of Beemans subs. The best sub on the planet combined with a bad response will will leave one disappointed. 3 lesser subs with a great response will sound better...I wont be suprised if my 3 XV15 setup sounds better then a single Triax in most rooms. Only the folks that do not measure would assume otherwise.

Fortunately I don't care about how it sounds, I'm just looking for bass
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


You will be fine. Not always but in general a man owns 3 subs b/c he doesn't have 1 good one.
One good sub can go along way. Add an identical twin and the bass will be covered.smile.gif
The Triax is a good sub.
2 cents
Chris

I figure the Triax will do pretty well. My response was just more of the fact that if you follow Beeman long enough you'll find that he pretty much recommends that everybody needs 3 subs no matter what your room is shaped like or the size or your music listening preferences or how you like your bass or etc etc wink.gif
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

It has nothing to do with the quality of Beemans subs. The best sub on the planet combined with a bad response will will leave one disappointed. 3 lesser subs with a great response will sound better...I wont be suprised if my 3 XV15 setup sounds better then a single Triax in most rooms. Only the folks that do not measure would assume otherwise.
I wasn't calling anyone out. I am saying that 2 x Triax should do the trick.
No Need for a third.smile.gif
Chris
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Originally Posted by jarretc View Post

I figure the Triax will do pretty well. My response was just more of the fact that if you follow Beeman long enough you'll find that he pretty much recommends that everybody needs 3 subs no matter what your room is shaped like or the size or your music listening preferences or how you like your bass or etc etc wink.gif

Regarding subwoofers, there's only one way to know what's what with what and that's by using room measuring software.
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Originally Posted by jarretc View Post

I figure the Triax will do pretty well. My response was just more of the fact that if you follow Beeman long enough you'll find that he pretty much recommends that everybody needs 3 subs no matter what your room is shaped like or the size or your music listening preferences or how you like your bass or etc etc wink.gif
Everyone has their own preferences and expectations. IMO if 2 of the subs I currently own don't do the trick it's time to Cash out and Step up to the next level. For me, adding a 3rd would only delay the inevitable need/want to upgrade.
To give a little perspective, I Never read about anyone on the Orbit Shifter thread saying 2 OSs just won't cut it. I need a third to reach Nirvana.
We all have different Opinions, The above is just mine.smile.gif
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 9/24/13 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


Everyone has their own preferences and expectations. IMO if 2 of the subs I currently own don't do the trick it's time to Cash out and Step up to the next level. For me adding a 3rd would only delay the inevitable need to upgrade.
To give a little perspective, I Never read about anyone on the Orbit Shifter thread saying 2 OSs just won't cut it. I need a third to hit Nirvana.
We all different Opinions, The above is just mine.smile.gif
Chris


You are not understanding what Beeman and myself are saying....the point fo multiple subs is not for extra output alone. ITS TO SMOOTH THE RESPONSE. 1 sub can not smooth any room modes, 4 subs can effectively smooth all modes. Sure there are eq devices that can flatten the response of a single sub, but they can also cut into headroom depending how far off the response is. If you ever decide to buy measuring gear and dial in a sub system properly, I bet your opinion would change. I didnt add the third XV15 for more output, it was to smooth the response which it did. My subs are +/-3db 16-80hz with no eq and will play above reference in that range with headroom to spare. There is no more upgrading planned for this room....when the day comes that I get my dedicated HT room, then I will look into more powerful subs if need be.
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More Triax info:

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Originally Posted by Tom V.;641068 
All the steel is being machine today. Driver assembly should begin tomorrow. Assembly --->glue drying--->QC--->box/palletize. Another 48 hours or so. After that, its just the time between Vegas and Ohio..smile.gif

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

You are not understanding what Beeman and myself are saying....the point fo multiple subs is not for extra output alone. ITS TO SMOOTH THE RESPONSE. 1 sub can not smooth any room modes, 4 subs can effectively smooth all modes. Sure there are eq devices that can flatten the response of a single sub, but they can also cut into headroom depending how far off the response is. If you ever decide to buy measuring gear and dial in a sub system properly, I bet your opinion would change. I didnt add the third XV15 for more output, it was to smooth the response which it did. My subs are +/-3db 16-80hz with no eq and will play above reference in that range with headroom to spare. There is no more upgrading planned for this room....when the day comes that I get my dedicated HT room, then I will look into more powerful subs if need be.
I completely understand your point. If what I am trying to imply is a little Vague answer this as a Yes or No question only.

Do you believe that your 3 measure better than if you replaced them with 2 x The Triax?

Two high quality subs should measure better than 3 lesser ones in the exact same room. There may be situations where this is Not true but its not the norm. Output is not the concern.

Chris
Edited by countryWV - 9/24/13 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

You are not understanding what Beeman and myself are saying....the point fo multiple subs is not for extra output alone. ITS TO SMOOTH THE RESPONSE. 1 sub can not smooth any room modes, 4 subs can effectively smooth all modes. Sure there are eq devices that can flatten the response of a single sub, but they can also cut into headroom depending how far off the response is. If you ever decide to buy measuring gear and dial in a sub system properly, I bet your opinion would change. I didnt add the third XV15 for more output, it was to smooth the response which it did. My subs are +/-3db 16-80hz with no eq and will play above reference in that range with headroom to spare. There is no more upgrading planned for this room....when the day comes that I get my dedicated HT room, then I will look into more powerful subs if need be.

Oh I understand, you just don't understand that not everybody has more than one person to account for nor does everybody care that every inch of the room has the same measurements as every other inch.

Also, I would go ahead and buy all the measuring software and post my stats but my penis is already big enough so I don't.
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yikes...
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Originally Posted by SaviorMachine View Post

yikes...

Ya no kidding..... a little bit of 'tired of waiting for triax syndrome' setting in or what ? People get like this on the snowboard forum too. But it starts much earlier. Pretty much in July.

Anyways.....

Just boxed up my first xv30f return. Not too bad of a job with the right tools.

Tomorrow, barring 20 degree winds and solid rain, which we had recently, I will finish off my sonotube rings and start to glue things together. I'm bassless right now...... and that means no new movies played on the big screen. frown.gif
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Originally Posted by jarretc View Post

Oh I understand, you just don't understand that not everybody has more than one person to account for nor does everybody care that every inch of the room has the same measurements as every other inch.

Also, I would go ahead and buy all the measuring software and post my stats but my penis is already big enough so I don't.

Your mind is either on penis or proving your the better man. Either way..... relax. For some it's not about 'stats' and being 'better' it's about truly producing excellent sound quality. Yep, talking about me here.

If I cared about penis and being the best I'd of ordered a lot more 18's than I did. wink.gif

Take a deep breath. Your Triax (you are getting one right?) will arrive before you know it. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Your mind is either on penis or proving your the better man. Either way..... relax. For some it's not about 'stats' and being 'better' it's about truly producing excellent sound quality. Yep, talking about me here.

If I cared about penis and being the best I'd of ordered a lot more 18's than I did. wink.gif

Take a deep breath. Your Triax (you are getting one right?) will arrive before you know it. smile.gif

Nah, as soon as you post numbers in your response it is in fact all about stats no matter what you say wink.gif

And I have no problems with the Triax and its arrival date. It could be another 2 months before it gets here and it wouldn't bother me, of course if it gets here as soon as possible that'll be good too smile.gif

If the Triax doesn't work out I'll be going DIY as well like you.
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It's going to be interesting to see how this sub holds up in a room alone. With the price of it, not many people will be able to own 2 in order to smooth out room response. I don't think trying to add in another sub unlike it would work very well either.
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Originally Posted by jarretc View Post

Oh I understand, you just don't understand that not everybody has more than one person to account for nor does everybody care that every inch of the room has the same measurements as every other inch.

Also, I would go ahead and buy all the measuring software and post my stats but my penis is already big enough so I don't.

I understand completely....you would rather keep throwing money at a situation instead of aquiring the proper tools to understand what is going on. Good Luck.
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