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post #601 of 9894
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Originally Posted by kikkoman View Post

I currently have the Velodyne EQ-MAX10 sub and my game room is about 20x12x9 (est.) with an opening about 4ft wide doorway to the rest of the upstairs. Anyhow, not sure if that matters, but I would like to feel more of the bass vs hearing it. I know that if you get a sub with a bigger woofer, the bass would be louder. Since I'm fairly new to all this and the Velodyne is my first true sub, if I upgrade to say the VX15, how would the bass be affected? I know it will be able to hear more bass thru the different volumes from the AVR, etc., but I really would like to feel the bass more than having it be super duper loud. I'm not sure if being able to feel the bass and hearing it go together, where you have to have one to have the other. Meaning it has to play with the volume loud so that you get the bass loud to be able to feel it more.

The new sub, if I can get the wife to accept, could either be upstairs in the game room or downstairs in the living room, which is about 20x12x20 (high ceilings) and is open to the kitchen and dining, very open space. I know the VX15 alone will probably not be enough for that living space, but I'm not trying to shake, rattle, and roll the whole house. Just want to hear the bass better and feel it more.

In your 20x12x9 room - which is 2160 cubic feet - a single XV15 or XS30 would be fine. With either you'll certainly hear much more bass, and will probably feel quite a lot as well. I'd probably opt for the XS30 though, because it should provide more total output. In your situation that's a good thing. Your other room is a different story though.

20x12x20 is 4800 cubic feet, which is a cavern for a subwoofer. While the XV15 or XS30 will work, I don't know if you'll get any feel. You'll either need a much large subwoofer - think Captivator - or multiples PSA's. Two of the XV15's or XS30's would probably be a good start.
post #602 of 9894
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I currently have the Velodyne EQ-MAX10 sub and my game room is about 20x12x9 (est.) with an opening about 4ft wide doorway to the rest of the upstairs. Anyhow, not sure if that matters, but I would like to feel more of the bass vs hearing it. ...
EQ-MAX 10:
- 10" driver
- 195W RMS / 390W dynamic
- 28-120Hz +/-3dB

PSA XS30:
- dual 15" drivers
- 725W RMS / 1450W peak
- 19-200Hz +/-3dB

The XS30 will destroy the EQ-MAX. It will play louder, hit harder, and dig much deeper. And I suspect the sealed XS30 will also have a "tighter" and "more articulate" sound than the ported EQ-MAX.
post #603 of 9894
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Yikes four XV15s!! How big is your room ahblaza?

My room is over 3400cf an open to a small hallway and computer area. wink.gif
post #604 of 9894
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

EQ-MAX 10:
- 10" driver
- 195W RMS / 390W dynamic
- 28-120Hz +/-3dB
PSA XS30:
- dual 15" drivers
- 725W RMS / 1450W peak
- 19-200Hz +/-3dB
The XS30 will destroy the EQ-MAX. It will play louder, hit harder, and dig much deeper. And I suspect the sealed XS30 will also have a "tighter" and "more articulate" sound than the ported EQ-MAX.

Good summary Eljay.

Both woofs have had their output measured per CEA by Josh Ricci too. Well, the vel was the 15" version. I'd take maybe 6dB off the 15" data to get a good idea of what the 10" will offer. If you do that and average it from 20-80hz the numbers are something like 12-14dB apart I think? So, based on that figure four of the EQ10s = one XV15 in output with the XV15 also extending quite a bit deeper. The eq10 has the cool remote though and is smaller and cheaper so factor that in as well.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #605 of 9894
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

Going from your EQ-MAX10 to a XS30 would be like going from watching a Nissan Leaf run the quarter mile to watching a top fuel rail run. eek.gif

Yeah, I know it's a huge difference smile.gif But the Leaf is environmentally and neighbor friendly, for sure...hehehe

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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

In your 20x12x9 room - which is 2160 cubic feet - a single XV15 or XS30 would be fine. With either you'll certainly hear much more bass, and will probably feel quite a lot as well. I'd probably opt for the XS30 though, because it should provide more total output. In your situation that's a good thing. Your other room is a different story though.
20x12x20 is 4800 cubic feet, which is a cavern for a subwoofer. While the XV15 or XS30 will work, I don't know if you'll get any feel. You'll either need a much large subwoofer - think Captivator - or multiples PSA's. Two of the XV15's or XS30's would probably be a good start.

Thanks JW! The sub will stay in the game room. As for the living room, it's not my dedicated theater room, so I can move the EQ-MAX10 down there instead of using an older Polk sub that came with my HTIB. For sure, I won't be looking at anything monstrous as the Captivator for the living room b/c my neighbors will for sure hate me smile.gif

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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

EQ-MAX 10:
- 10" driver
- 195W RMS / 390W dynamic
- 28-120Hz +/-3dB
PSA XS30:
- dual 15" drivers
- 725W RMS / 1450W peak
- 19-200Hz +/-3dB
The XS30 will destroy the EQ-MAX. It will play louder, hit harder, and dig much deeper. And I suspect the sealed XS30 will also have a "tighter" and "more articulate" sound than the ported EQ-MAX.

That was my assumption. The EQ-MAX10 sounds good but that's only b/c it the best sub I've had so far and can't really compare to anything else. Now when I have guests over, they say man that sounds good with my DefTechs, so when I upgrade, they'll probably need to bring a spare change in underwear...hahaha...

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Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post

Good summary Eljay.
Both woofs have had their output measured per CEA by Josh Ricci too. Well, the vel was the 15" version. I'd take maybe 6dB off the 15" data to get a good idea of what the 10" will offer. If you do that and average it from 20-80hz the numbers are something like 12-14dB apart I think? So, based on that figure four of the EQ10s = one XV15 in output with the XV15 also extending quite a bit deeper. The eq10 has the cool remote though and is smaller and cheaper so factor that in as well.
Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

Wow, 1 XV15 would equal about four EQ10's....Holly molly Batman!!! That would sound crazy. And with 1 XS30 being about 1.5 XV15, that would be even crazier. Dang, that means for sure either way I would feel the slap on my face and the thump and pounding in my chest.. Kinda scared at how the XS30 would sound seeing how much of a jump I'm making, but since I don't plan on upgrading my sub for awhile, it may be better to get the XS30, but the wifey will decide that. Still have to warm her up to getting a larger and more expensive sub since she hates how the EQ10 looks, but maybe b/c I just placed in front to the left of the main listening area, which stands out next to the tower speaker. I'd definitely have to move the new sub to a corner behind the couch or something, but then I'd have to route some wires back there as well. So getting the wife to accept a upgrade is first, then maybe I can spring for the XS30.

But yeah, the EQ does have a cool remote and it's own eq functionality.....

Thanks Tom!


So would you feel the XS30 in your chest more vs the XV15 if the ARV were at the same volume? Or does one just provide more bass sound at the same AVR volume? Then with any increases in the AVR volume would the sound of the bass would go up significantly more than the other?

Also, may sound silly, but will the sub overpower the speakers, meaning all you hear is overly crazy bass? Sorry, I have the Def Tech 8020ST tower with 8040CS (center), 2 front ProMonitor 800's, and 2 rear ProMonitor 1000's, with a Marantz SR6006. I want to hear and feel good, solid, crisp bass along with the speaker. Don't wan them to overpower, but I guess it depends on the settings on the sub after the Audyssey Mult-EQ XT calibration, with the gain or knob control on the back? A good example is when you hear some cars thumping down the road and all you hear is the loud rattling bass and can't really hear the treble. I don't really want this. But it could also be that the track they are playing is only playing the drums. This may sound crazy, but I am a bit afraid the XS30 may be too loud or too much.....

Lastly, if I have to route my sub to the back, I would have to use like a 30-50ft sub cable. Would that cause any issues?

Thanks in advance!
post #606 of 9894
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Also, may sound silly, but will the sub overpower the speakers, meaning all you hear is overly crazy bass?
Integrate the sub into your system / calibrate your system and what you'll get is clean, solid bass that blends well with your speakers...with plenty more on tap for those moments when the sub is required to POUND!! cool.gif
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Still have to warm her up to getting a larger and more expensive sub since she hates how the EQ10 looks ...
If WAF and aesthetics are a factor, there are (relatively) compact subs that look very nice, but which may cost more and/or require you to give up some performance. Examples include:
- Rythmik F15 or F15HP in gloss black;
- SVS PB13-Ultra in high-grade polish
- HSU ULS-15 in satin black or rosenut veneer
Edited by eljaycanuck - 12/5/12 at 12:03pm
post #607 of 9894
Watched The Dark Knight Rises last night on bluray, and WoW, the opening of the movie when the Hercules flies above the smaller prop plane, the whole house shook from the XV15's. My neighbors are going to have me drawn and quartered.
post #608 of 9894
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Watched The Dark Knight Rises last night on bluray ... the whole house shook from the XV15's. My neighbors are going to have me drawn and quartered.
This means your subwoofer purchase was wisely made. Accept your fate. wink.gifbiggrin.gif
post #609 of 9894
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

This means you have done things correctly. Accept your fate. wink.gifbiggrin.gif

LOL

And that folks is what's known as support. tongue.gif
post #610 of 9894
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

This means your subwoofer purchase was wisely made. Accept your fate. wink.gifbiggrin.gif

Yes, I am VERY pleased with the subs from PSA :-)
post #611 of 9894
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

Watched The Dark Knight Rises last night on bluray, and WoW, the opening of the movie when the Hercules flies above the smaller prop plane, the whole house shook from the XV15's. My neighbors are going to have me drawn and quartered.

Yes that part is so much fun. I think I've watched that first opening scene around 20+ times now. Then when they are in the small prop plane you can still feel the big ole plane above them vibrating my couch.
post #612 of 9894
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

Yes, I am VERY pleased with the subs from PSA :-)

Let's hope so, because you don't want to piss off 'ol Slingblayde. Remember what happened to the guy who did that last time... eek.gif
post #613 of 9894
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Let's hope so, because you don't want to piss off 'ol Slingblayde. Remember what happened to the guy who did that last time... eek.gif

I just split Doyle Hargreaves head open with a lawn mower blade you might wanna send an ambulance, or maybe a Hearse.... MMHMM
Edited by Slingblayde - 12/5/12 at 4:13pm
post #614 of 9894
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Let's hope so, because you don't want to piss off 'ol Slingblayde. Remember what happened to the guy who did that last time... eek.gif

Let's find out. (Length of video: 02:43)

......................eek.gif

Did that help?
post #615 of 9894
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

Integrate the sub into your system / calibrate your system and what you'll get is clean, solid bass that blends well with your speakers...with plenty more on tap for those moments when the sub is required to POUND!! cool.gif
If WAF and aesthetics are a factor, there are (relatively) compact subs that look very nice, but which may cost more and/or require you to give up some performance. Examples include:
- Rythmik F15 or F15HP in gloss black;
- SVS PB13-Ultra in high-grade polish
- HSU ULS-15 in satin black or rosenut veneer

Yeah, that makes total sense or else no one would buy a bigger sub if it didn't integrate well and blend in with the speakers. As far as WAF goes, I think she's used to the ugly EQ-MAX so adding another 6-7" depth and height wise shouldn't be too big of an issue. I did measure the back right side of the couch and it would have room to put the sub there. Not sure if it's the best place or not, but it would be out of sight for sure. The couch would be about 1-2 inches from the sub and the other side of the sub 1-2 inches from the side wall as well. Then maybe a 12 inches from the back wall with it facing the front of the room. Not sure if that would affect the performance, but probably no way to tell other than moving and testing it over there.

As far as the other subs, yeah they are a bit smaller, and have the gloss look which makes the price go up, but I would probably want more bang for the buck even if the sub is a bit larger.
post #616 of 9894
I have rosenut speakers and I was going to order a rosenut hsu sub because of WAF but couldn't resist buying the XS30, I know this sub is not going to win any award on the look ,but for the price its hard to beat.
post #617 of 9894
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I have rosenut speakers and I was going to order a rosenut hsu sub because of WAF but couldn't resist buying the XS30, I know this sub is not going to win any award on the look ,but for the price its hard to beat.

Congrats, and welcome to the club!!

Once these ship, I have a feeling that we will see post after post of WOW type impressions. I counting on being bowled over by mine.
post #618 of 9894
Hi Kikkoman,


>>>So would you feel the XS30 in your chest more vs the XV15 if the ARV were at the same volume? Or does one just provide more bass sound at the same AVR volume? Then with any increases in the AVR volume would the sound of the bass would go up significantly more than the other?<<<<br />
.

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Good question. It all depends on the volume levels and the capabilities of each sub. Both will provide very similar overall "sound" up to their respective dynamic limits. The XS30 will have higher limits in the mid and upper bass(40-120hz). So the louder the volume levels...the more likely you will notice a more "dynamic" (many label this "slam factor") presentation from the XS30. Also, the XS30 will extend deeper.





>>>Also, may sound silly, but will the sub overpower the speakers, meaning all you hear is overly crazy bass? Sorry, I have the Def Tech 8020ST tower with 8040CS (center), 2 front ProMonitor 800's, and 2 rear ProMonitor 1000's, with a Marantz SR6006. I want to hear and feel good, solid, crisp bass along with the speaker. Don't wan them to overpower, but I guess it depends on the settings on the sub after the Audyssey Mult-EQ XT calibration, with the gain or knob control on the back? A good example is when you hear some cars thumping down the road and all you hear is the loud rattling bass and can't really hear the treble. I don't really want this. But it could also be that the track they are playing is only playing the drums. This may sound crazy, but I am a bit afraid the XS30 may be too loud or too much.....<<<<br />

Another common concern. One properly calibrated the subwoofer will never be able to produce more volume(relative to the rest of your speakers) than the source material dictates. You could have 20 XS30s in the room and their combined output wouldn't over power your speakers. Well, that is assuming your speakers do not audibly "compress" at your louder listening levels of course.


>>>>Lastly, if I have to route my sub to the back, I would have to use like a 30-50ft sub cable. Would that cause any issues?<<<<br />

Not at all. Just be sure to use a cable with decent shielding. You can generally find good 50ft runs anywhere from $25 and up.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
Edited by Tom Vodhanel - 12/7/12 at 12:59pm
post #619 of 9894
I use this for all subwoofer and interconnects LC-1 A fifty foot run will be $73, well worth it, with good shielding and low capacitance.
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/subwoofer/index.htm
post #620 of 9894
I place the order for the new xs30 but I'm about to cancel. I cant benefit of the sale they charge me taxes and they don't want to work a price with me.I thinking of going for other sub.
post #621 of 9894
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I place the order for the new xs30 but I'm about to cancel. I cant benefit of the sale they charge me taxes and they don't want to work a price with me.I thinking of going for other sub.

rolleyes.gif

So what sub would you buy instead? This sub is one of the best subs for the price paid and you want to cancel it?
post #622 of 9894
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I place the order for the new xs30 but I'm about to cancel. I cant benefit of the sale they charge me taxes and they don't want to work a price with me.I thinking of going for other sub.


Hello,

Please email me at support@powersoundaudio.com when you are ready to cancel your order. We are nearly sold out on the first shipment of cabinets from our vendor. Jim and I originally thought these would last 45-60 days but orders have been roughly 300% of our most optimistic estimates.

We have no choice but to charge Ohio sales tax when applicable and our pre order pricing on the XS30 is absolutely as low as we can go. Even with the tax added I firmly believe the XS30 represents an incredible value. Opinions will vary of course and there are plenty of other quality options to consider so I'm sure you will end up with a good performer in any case.


Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
post #623 of 9894
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I place the order for the new xs30 but I'm about to cancel. I cant benefit of the sale they charge me taxes and they don't want to work a price with me.I thinking of going for other sub.

Love taxes!!!
post #624 of 9894
I know still a great deal. Everyone out of the state of ohio is getting a awsome deal $1050.I have to paid almost the regular price .I was thinking about the rythmik FV15hp even if I have to spend a little more they offer a $100 discount my total will be around $1200.

still deciding what to do this is going to be my first purchase on a sub in the 1000 + range.

sorry for my ignorance this is a new field for me .I had only owned low budget subs.
post #625 of 9894
Can you pick it up in person? You may save some money that way.

No way around taxes!
post #626 of 9894
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I know still a great deal. Everyone out of the state of ohio is getting a awsome deal $1050.I have to paid almost the regular price .I was thinking about the rythmik FV15hp even if I have to spend a little more they offer a $100 discount my total will be around $1200.
still deciding what to do this is going to be my first purchase on a sub in the 1000 + range.
sorry for my ignorance this is a new field for me .I had only owned low budget subs.

I am certainly not qualified to make the most educated guess here, but what the heck... Based on the preliminary measurements, it looks to me that the XS30 should offer an output advantage, as well as the ability to dig deeper than the FV. It will also still be lower priced seeing as you need to pay the cost of the Rythmik and additional shipping. Just trying to help keep it in perspective. I am awaitng my pair of XS30s before making a concrete asessment of course, but I am counting on their ability to beat the FV in ouput at most frequencies and extension, as I was considering the Rythmik also for my family room.
post #627 of 9894
Too far no worth the drive, I already check that with then.
post #628 of 9894
the price for the Fv15HP including shipping with the $100 discount will be $1,300 .chopshop thanks for the info that you posted.
post #629 of 9894
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I place the order for the new xs30 but I'm about to cancel. I cant benefit of the sale they charge me taxes and they don't want to work a price with me.I thinking of going for other sub.

Let me get this straight - you're going to cancel your order because of 60-70 dollars of taxes? In my opinion there really isn't anything like the XS30 within several hundred dollars of it's price range. A sub with these specs and build quality and fantastic support from the guys at PSA you can't go wrong. The introductory price is a bargain and would still be at 100-200 dollars more. You're to have to spend a whole lot more to do marginally better.
post #630 of 9894
gorrila83 don't focus on one post , first read the other posts before going too hard on me ,im a novice on the sub world and i always had owned low budget subs ,pretty much I'm entering in to a new world and learning little by little.Im not sure if im making the right purchase so excuse my ignorance.
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