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Originally Posted by TJames03 View Post

New XV15 owner here!!

Have not had much time at all to play around with any settings yet. It's hooked up with some Ascend CBM 170s and 340s and a Denon avr x2000.

Quick question though - I'm a total newb to the world of home theatre and have been trying to read as much as I can do do things 'by the book'.

According to the manuals, I ran Audessey with gain and crossover @ 50% and the Phase all the way to LFE. After iniital Audessey setup my Denon had the XV15 at -5db.

My question is - is it somewhat common to adjust (increase) the subwoofer level (through the GUI, not on the sub itself) after Audessey setup? The sub seems to really blend well with the main speakers, but I'm looking for some more 'thud' when that building blows up in the movie, or the grenade takes out a jeep in BF4. smile.gif

Spekaers are all set to 'small' with crossover of 60hz.

Thanks in advance!!
Congrats! And welcome to the PSA family, my receiver set my XV15 at minus 15! So -5 isn't all that bad. If you want more thump, just bring your settings up from -5 to 0. A lot of guys here run there subs hot, it won't hurt anything.
post #7682 of 9927
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Originally Posted by PDDUFRENE View Post

Congrats! And welcome to the PSA family, my receiver set my XV15 at minus 15! So -5 isn't all that bad. If you want more thump, just bring your settings up from -5 to 0. A lot of guys here run there subs hot, it won't hurt anything.

What is the lowest your receiver will go? My denons only go to -12 when running Audyssey which means they would be set too hot for Audyssey to calibrate them. I always shoot for around -8 after calibration and then I can bump them up on the AVR.

Edit: wait, what receiver do you have? I remember you having problems with popping noises during certain scenes. You may have yours subs running too hot. If Audyssey sets your subs levels to -15 that may mean they are running too hot to calibrate with your other speakers depending on what the Max adjustment is. Having to set each sub to 3 o'clock each seems too high depending on your room. What did you set your sun snag after the receiver set them at -15?
Edited by raynist - 12/15/13 at 12:29am
post #7683 of 9927
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post

What is the lowest your receiver will go? My denons only go to -12 when running Audyssey which means they would be set too hot for Audyssey to calibrate them. I always shoot for around -8 after calibration and then I can bump them up on the AVR.

Edit: wait, what receiver do you have? I remember you having problems with popping noises during certain scenes. You may have yours subs running too hot. If Audyssey sets your subs levels to -15 that may mean they are running too hot to calibrate with your other speakers depending on what the Max adjustment is. Having to set each sub to 3 o'clock each seems too high depending on your room. What did you set your sun snag after the receiver set them at -15?
It's not doing it no more, I level matched the sub to my other speakers. After I did that it set it to -6.5 instead which made a huge difference and got rid of that popping noise. Apparently as you stated the receiver won't set it correctly if it's below -7.
post #7684 of 9927
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Originally Posted by PDDUFRENE View Post

It's not doing it no more, I level matched the sub to my other speakers. After I did that it set it to -6.5 instead which made a huge difference and got rid of that popping noise. Apparently as you stated the receiver won't set it correctly if it's below -7.

Ah, great!!
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post

Ah, great!!

Ya I was definitely relieved, it plays so much better now. I replayed all the scenes I once had trouble with, and all I get now is strong clean bass!
post #7686 of 9927
So after running Audyssey my sub was set to -7....which appears from my research to be fine (Gain was set on the sub itself at about the 12:30 position).

However - this definitely left me wanting more boom. I changed the sub level on my Denon to -1 and it seems to be more in line with what I would expect.

Is increasing it 6db crazy or more the norm? I know everybody has their preferences, I'm just curious if I should be looking into Audyssey more, or if this change would be considered acceptable.

Thanks!
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Running the sub 6dbs hot would be a little more than most ppl would like I'd imagine. However I'd say its still an aceptable level.

I run my sub about 3dbs hot for movies and music. Sometimes dependimg on my mood or the movie ill bring it up a couple more dbs
post #7688 of 9927
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Originally Posted by TJames03 View Post

So after running Audyssey my sub was set to -7....which appears from my research to be fine (Gain was set on the sub itself at about the 12:30 position).

However - this definitely left me wanting more boom. I changed the sub level on my Denon to -1 and it seems to be more in line with what I would expect.

Is increasing it 6db crazy or more the norm? I know everybody has their preferences, I'm just curious if I should be looking into Audyssey more, or if this change would be considered acceptable.

Thanks!
If you want you could always turn down the gain on the back of the sub a hair and then rerun audyssey. This will bring your sub level closer to 0. Then adjust it from there if need be, but all u would be doing is exactly what u are doing now and still cranking it up 6db because that's where u like it. Like I said I run mine 6db hot because I like a lot of bass myself.
post #7689 of 9927
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Originally Posted by TJames03 View Post

So after running Audyssey my sub was set to -7....which appears from my research to be fine (Gain was set on the sub itself at about the 12:30 position).

However - this definitely left me wanting more boom. I changed the sub level on my Denon to -1 and it seems to be more in line with what I would expect.

Is increasing it 6db crazy or more the norm? I know everybody has their preferences, I'm just curious if I should be looking into Audyssey more, or if this change would be considered acceptable.

Thanks!

I'd wager, if you'd ask most mfg's they would not recommend setting them 6dbs above the mains. If you like it hot, use your REQ and gradually increase the sub level...I personally like to run sub+mains as close to equal or within (-/+ 1db) of each other. I'd suspect somewhere between +1-3 dbs hot would be considered safe by most mfgs...others do like more....YYMV....BUT...if you ever hear any distress just turn it down some...to be safe.

My 2 cents...Bill
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Thanks for the input so far!

I don't really want to be running 6db hot...but that's what it took to get the sub to even sound like its there. It's not like it's shaking things on the wall...

Which leads me to believe maybe it's a setup issue. I'd consider myself tho be an average listener...so if most are only going 1db - 3db above, maybe i should look at some other reasons the sub is sounding somewhat weak...

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Originally Posted by TJames03 View Post

Thanks for the input so far!

I don't really want to be running 6db hot...but that's what it took to get the sub to even sound like its there. It's not like it's shaking things on the wall...

Which leads me to believe maybe it's a setup issue. I'd consider myself tho be an average listener...so if most are only going 1db - 3db above, maybe i should look at some other reasons the sub is sounding somewhat weak...

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Did you just put your sub in any location? Are did u do the infamous sub crawl to find the most suitable location?
post #7692 of 9927
After going through this post (as well as others) and speaking with Tom, I am ordering an XS30 here soon. I have been away from home theater/audio for awhile, but decided to get back into it...Merry Christmas to me! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by gtsum View Post

After going through this post (as well as others) and speaking with Tom, I am ordering an XS30 here soon. I have been away from home theater/audio for awhile, but decided to get back into it...Merry Christmas to me! smile.gif

Congrats on your gift. I wanted to go with a XV30 or XS30, but if I would of done that, I wouldn't of been able to upgrade my other speakers. I'm still waiting for a tracking # for my XV15. I've been listening to my Arx 3.0 speakers for the time being, and they do okay with bass, but not as good as the XV15 will do!cool.gif
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Congrats on your gift. I wanted to go with a XV30 or XS30, but if I would of done that, I wouldn't of been able to upgrade my other speakers. I'm still waiting for a tracking # for my XV15. I've been listening to my Arx 3.0 speakers for the time being, and they do okay with bass, but not as good as the XV15 will do!cool.gif

Good for you Gus, it’s finally happening for yuh. Congrats!
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Good for you Gus, it’s finally happening for yuh. Congrats!

Yeah, finally. I was very unhappy with my previous 7.2 set up. Music wise it just didn't sound like I was hoping. The Arx are just in another level for music and movies as well. At the moment, I'm talking to a few guys who are selling some Arx speakers, but they are taking forever to respond back. According to them they want to sell them, and I am frankly getting a little bit annoyed at them not answering my questions in a timely manner. I might just end up buying a new Pair of Arx towers to at least have a 5.1 set up.
post #7696 of 9927
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Originally Posted by TJames03 View Post

Thanks for the input so far!

I don't really want to be running 6db hot...but that's what it took to get the sub to even sound like its there. It's not like it's shaking things on the wall...

Which leads me to believe maybe it's a setup issue. I'd consider myself tho be an average listener...so if most are only going 1db - 3db above, maybe i should look at some other reasons the sub is sounding somewhat weak...

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Do you have REW? I ask because after calibration I had to bump what audyssey put for my duals up about 5db. This was not 5 DB hot according to REW. This bump made the level finally flat. Otherwise my mains were too hot for the sub. So I think your best bet here is to get measuring equipment to see where you stand. Who knows what you "like" might actually be the right thing
post #7697 of 9927
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Do you have REW? I ask because after calibration I had to bump what audyssey put for my duals up about 5db. This was not 5 DB hot according to REW. This bump made the level finally flat. Otherwise my mains were too hot for the sub. So I think your best bet here is to get measuring equipment to see where you stand. Who knows what you "like" might actually be the right thing

Brain,

Sorry for bothering. I just started reading about REW and measuring equipment, but to be honest I really don't know what to buy. Is there anything that you recommend buying that works well, and it won't cost too much?
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Brain,

Sorry for bothering. I just started reading about REW and measuring equipment, but to be honest I really don't know what to buy. Is there anything that you recommend buying that works well, and it won't cost too much?
No bother. The cross-spectrum.com calibrated umik for umm6 USB mic. They are both plug and play. Also you need to download the free REW software. Make sure you read the users guide. It's very well laid out. And make it very easy to take measurements. Feel free to ask me. I will help as best I can.
post #7699 of 9927
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

No bother. The cross-spectrum.com calibrated umik for umm6 USB mic. They are both plug and play. Also you need to download the free REW software. Make sure you read the users guide. It's very well laid out. And make it very easy to take measurements. Feel free to ask me. I will help as best I can.

Thanks. I will look into that.smile.gif
post #7700 of 9927
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

No bother. The cross-spectrum.com calibrated umik for umm6 USB mic. They are both plug and play. Also you need to download the free REW software. Make sure you read the users guide. It's very well laid out. And make it very easy to take measurements. Feel free to ask me. I will help as best I can.

Ordered the Dayton UMM6. So, I'm now waiting on the XV15 and UMM6 biggrin.gif
post #7701 of 9927
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Ordered the Dayton UMM6. So, I'm now waiting on the XV15 and UMM6 biggrin.gif


oh boy you will be busy for a couple weeks smile.gif
post #7702 of 9927
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

oh boy you will be busy for a couple weeks smile.gif

I'm on vacation staring Dec 20th to Jan 1st biggrin.gif
post #7703 of 9927
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

No bother. The cross-spectrum.com calibrated umik for umm6 USB mic. They are both plug and play. Also you need to download the free REW software. Make sure you read the users guide. It's very well laid out. And make it very easy to take measurements. Feel free to ask me. I will help as best I can.

Won't you still need an external sound card to store any data or REW measurements.... taken?

I was also recommended something like Behringer EMC8000 or similar along with a decent external SC + REW would do the trick. I'm just curious to read what some of you guys use along with your receivers REQ.

Thanks, Bill
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No you don't need an external sound card. If your computer has a headphone out jack, its sound card is sufficient to run REW
post #7705 of 9927
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Originally Posted by Billy p View Post

Won't you still need an external sound card to store any data or REW measurements.... taken?

Once figured out, it's pretty much plug-n-play. Everything happens on the computer with connective cords to transfer the signal to the AVR that transfers the signal to the subs and a cable to connect the measuring microphone to the computer to calculate the graph and save created data.
post #7706 of 9927
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Originally Posted by Billy p View Post

Won't you still need an external sound card to store any data or REW measurements.... taken?

I was also recommended something like Behringer EMC8000 or similar along with a decent external SC + REW would do the trick. I'm just curious to read what some of you guys use along with your receivers REQ.

Thanks, Bill
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Unlike Behringer ECM8000 and Dayton EMM-6 microphones, the Dayton UMM-6 have a USB output so they can be used with PC's and Mac's without need of an external phantom power or USB/Firewire interface. The UMM-6 appears as an audio input device available for use in many audio measurement software programs. The stock units come with on-axis calibration curves.
post #7707 of 9927
Load up War Of The Worlds emergence scene at -10db master volume with your XV15 set to what Audyssey set during calibration, and you will now feel and hear your sub. It's not meant to stick out like a sore thumb.
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But... but, I *LIKE* my subs sticking out! biggrin.gif
post #7709 of 9927
Whoa...now I'm tempted...cool.gif. I pretty much a plug and play type of guy...that cross spectrum mic looks inviting...I'll have to do some more research...thanks...gents.smile.gif
post #7710 of 9927
I've been struggling for weeks to integrate my 4 XS15s into my living room (see this thread). I've had better luck recently and ended up here - green is Audyssey off, blue is Audyssey on:



Sounds really really good with both movies and music, but when I push the volume I'm running out of headroom. The subs are only running 3db hot from where Audyssey set them. If I turn them down 3db, I'm good to about -5db MV. With them at 0db (3db hot), I start to hit the soft limiter at around -10db MV.

Seems to me I should be getting more output than I am....am I doing something wrong?
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