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post #8431 of 10009
Congrats and thanks for the first impression review.

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post #8432 of 10009
Congrats! I love my XV15's also. I remember unboxing them and grinning like a halfwit when I got them fired up and played some demo scenes too. biggrin.gif
post #8433 of 10009
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Originally Posted by tvolle View Post

I set my subs up by heart. I gradually make them hotter while listening to the "WOTW sub test" at reference. When my heart stops, I decrease the XV30f's by 1 db and I'm done! Who needs a meter? rolleyes.gif

I have tried multiple configurations now. Initially had the dual XS30s woofers facing front and rear, about a foot off the side wills and 5 inches from the back. Then I corner loaded the left sub the same way and now I have the subs facing side walls and middle about 10 inches from the side and 3 inches from the back. Anyway, long story short, each way seams like you compromise a little somewhere between music and movies. I have kept them in the side/middle config and like tike it best.

Each time I hate the wait of running XT32, 8 times. However, relating to your quote, XT32 sets the subs at almost minus 10 each time so I have to plus them up each time by 10. I use The Incredible Hulk battle scene with Abomination to gauge the levels. I am just not happy with where XT32 sets them.
post #8434 of 10009
I am not really sure how to describe PSA customer service / support, but they are awesome. Tom gave me the military discount even after I've had my XV15 for almost a month. Something that he didn't have to do at all, but he still did it. Awesome service. Definitely buying a 2nd XV15....hopefully before the baby is born eek.gif
post #8435 of 10009
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Originally Posted by LowellG View Post

I have tried multiple configurations now. Initially had the dual XS30s woofers facing front and rear, about a foot off the side wills and 5 inches from the back. Then I corner loaded the left sub the same way and now I have the subs facing side walls and middle about 10 inches from the side and 3 inches from the back. Anyway, long story short, each way seams like you compromise a little somewhere between music and movies. I have kept them in the side/middle config and like tike it best.

Each time I hate the wait of running XT32, 8 times. However, relating to your quote, XT32 sets the subs at almost minus 10 each time so I have to plus them up each time by 10. I use The Incredible Hulk battle scene with Abomination to gauge the levels. I am just not happy with where XT32 sets them.

I suggest you check the gain setting on the Sub - start at about 1:30 to 2 o"clock - then run Audyssey again - this should result in a lower trim on the AVR - eventually you may want to look into REW and a USB mike to verify optimal positions for your Sub(s)
post #8436 of 10009
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Originally Posted by ggsantafe View Post

I suggest you check the gain setting on the Sub - start at about 1:30 to 2 o"clock - then run Audyssey again - this should result in a lower trim on the AVR - eventually you may want to look into REW and a USB mike to verify optimal positions for your Sub(s)

XT32 has you adjust each sub gain separately at 75db. It ends up being about 1 o'clock. I hear a lot about REW. I down loaded it, but have no idea what mic to use.
post #8437 of 10009
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Originally Posted by LowellG View Post

Anyway, long story short, each way seams like you compromise a little somewhere between music and movies.

Do you have any graphs you can post. It reads as if you have some suck-outs going on and you're having to raise the levels to compensate and doing this messes with your movie/music pleasure.

(i'm sure you know this, without graphs, one is eternally condemned to flying blind in the mountains of sound and there they will continue to crash and burn)

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post #8438 of 10009
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Originally Posted by LowellG View Post

XT32 has you adjust each sub gain separately at 75db. It ends up being about 1 o'clock. I hear a lot about REW. I down loaded it, but have no idea what mic to use.

I understand - I have an AVR with XT 32 as well. You can still set the sub gain higher - I think the "green" region will allow close to 79 or 80db - in any case no harm done if you set the gain closer to 1:30 or 2PM - you can check the results , and if not to your liking, go back to your old settings. I know that takes some time - but you may like what you hear once you make the adjustments. For more information on REW & microphone selection check out this excellent guide prepared by Austin Jerry https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/78476446/REW%20101%20v3.2.pdf and/or visit the Simplified REW thread for a comprehensive introduction to room measurements.
post #8439 of 10009
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Do you have any graphs you can post. It reads as if you have some suck-outs going on and you're having to raise the levels to compensate and doing this messes with your movie/music pleasure.

(i'm sure you know this, without graphs, one is eternally condemned to flying blind in the mountains of sound and there they will continue to crash and burn)

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No, I have no graphs. I haven't went that far with this hobby yet. It's about to drive me insane on the quest for the perfect sound. Part of me just says stop the insanity and enjoy what you have. I have done far more tweaking in my theater in the past several weeks than watching movies.

I don't know what mic to buy or use with REW. I did buy an SPL meter, no directions so other than watching the numbers go up and down and seeing it has an A/C function and max, it's been pretty much useless.
post #8440 of 10009
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Originally Posted by ggsantafe View Post


I understand - I have an AVR with XT 32 as well. You can still set the sub gain higher - I think the "green" region will allow close to 79 or 80db - in any case no harm done if you set the gain closer to 1:30 or 2PM - you can check the results , and if not to your liking, go back to your old settings. I know that takes some time - but you may like what you hear once you make the adjustments. For more information on REW & microphone selection check out this excellent guide prepared by Austin Jerry https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/78476446/REW%20101%20v3.2.pdf and/or visit the Simplified REW thread for a comprehensive introduction to room measurements.

 

 

Nice guide.  It'll be useful once I get a mic to run REW. 

post #8441 of 10009
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Originally Posted by LowellG View Post

Part of me just says stop the insanity and enjoy what you have.

Taking the time to download a freeware copy of REW and getting it up and running, in a positive fashion, will start you moving forward toward your stated goal.

As encouragement, the first step is to download and install REW. Once that's done, then one needs to acquire a measuring microphone at <$100.00.
post #8442 of 10009
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Originally Posted by LowellG View Post

XT32 has you adjust each sub gain separately at 75db. It ends up being about 1 o'clock. I hear a lot about REW. I down loaded it, but have no idea what mic to use.

I've only used ARC for EQ...I would sent Tom some pics & placement options along with some of your measurements. His advice help me sort out a few issues I had with both subs. He is a valuable resource and likely eager to assist you....just sent him an email...not PM. I've been on the fence about getting a calibrated mic like the UMIK1 from Spectrum Labs...I asked them and they could not assure me of any conflict issues arising with my AVRs REQ

Its never as easy as some make this out...but REW for beginners could be a daunting task....IMO. XT32 is more than adequate in doing the job...you can always tweak things afterwards.smile.gif


Fwiw...he mentioned to me that between 1-3 is not unusual for their subs gain setting.

Cheers, Bill
Edited by Billy p - 2/1/14 at 2:02pm
post #8443 of 10009
Not to hijack the thread but I received a UMIK-1 for x-mas. I have a EMM6 new in the box never been used that I would sell for $45. Just PM me.
post #8444 of 10009
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Originally Posted by ggsantafe View Post

I understand - I have an AVR with XT 32 as well. You can still set the sub gain higher - I think the "green" region will allow close to 79 or 80db - in any case no harm done if you set the gain closer to 1:30 or 2PM - you can check the results , and if not to your liking, go back to your old settings. I know that takes some time - but you may like what you hear once you make the adjustments. For more information on REW & microphone selection check out this excellent guide prepared by Austin Jerry https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/78476446/REW%20101%20v3.2.pdf and/or visit the Simplified REW thread for a comprehensive introduction to room measurements.

Congrats to cjrubes on the XV15. Thanks to ggsantafe for the REW guide link. This is really well written and I may venture some some day into REW but I have to get a laptop first. So far my dual XV15s sound really great for music as well as movies with the subs located nearfield on each side of my couch about halfway down each side wall.

Another thing I am thinking about is the new Emotiva XMC-1 scheduled to come out in March which has Dirac room correction. The EmoQ in my UMC-200 has not worked for me so far in my room. I listen almost exclusively through my analog connections for music and even movies so I wonder how much REW and any kind of room correction would benefit me. Music sounds so much better to me through the analog connections compared to hdmi.
post #8445 of 10009
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Originally Posted by mdanderson View Post

Congrats to cjrubes on the XV15. Thanks to ggsantafe for the REW guide link. This is really well written and I may venture some some day into REW but I have to get a laptop first. So far my dual XV15s sound really great for music as well as movies with the subs located nearfield on each side of my couch about halfway down each side wall.

Another thing I am thinking about is the new Emotiva XMC-1 scheduled to come out in March which has Dirac room correction. The EmoQ in my UMC-200 has not worked for me so far in my room. I listen almost exclusively through my analog connections for music and even movies so I wonder how much REW and any kind of room correction would benefit me. Music sounds so much better to me through the analog connections compared to hdmi.



I have to agree about analog outputs and connections,for me it's night and day with music. I'm glad you're enjoying your XV15s. If you don't mind me asking did you make your audio rack, it looks a DIY from TNT-Audio, I have two of them I made. Well back to analog I finally got a HDMI compatible receiver, I haven't yet to use any of the receivers amps though, I have my BD player hooked with both HDMI and analog cables (7.2), I think the only advantage of HDMI is it carries both audio and video in one cable and that's all you need, it doesn't bother me tho to run a bunch of IC's, I actually prefer the analog pre-outs, I guess I'm old school and stubborn and OLD. I still love to spin vinyl on my 1986 Sota Sapphire 111 table, bought it new and still performing flawlessly. Well enough said this is a subwoofer thread. smile.gif
Cheers Jeff
post #8446 of 10009
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

Holy mother of God! Got my VF-15 hooked up today and I am blown away! I threw in Dark Knight to dial in the level I wanted at the listening volume I prefer. Extremely tight bass with massive output. Due to my small room I have the sub right next to me in a corner. It shakes the hell out of the couch and rattles things throughout the house. I am very happy!

Any suggestions on setup? I have the gain at 60% and the AVR set to 0 +/- dbs. I don't have the setup mic for my Pioneer VSX-70 (coming in the mail) so I have not dialed in my setup yet. This sub is in my theater with Energy CF-70s, CC-10, and CB-5s. The room is 10x12 with a 120" projection screen (on the 12' wall) There is a half wall behind the couch that opens into basically the rest of the house. This is my first real sub and my only experience with anything before was a Mirage dual 8" that just didn't do movies well. Thanks in advance.

VF-15?
post #8447 of 10009
Good catch, XV-15! The more I listen the better it gets. This is the best $800 I have ever spent in this hobby.
post #8448 of 10009
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

Good catch, XV-15! The more I listen the better it gets. This is the best $800 I have ever spent in this hobby.


I agree. PSA-XV15 + Arx speakers = Awesome sound biggrin.gif
post #8449 of 10009
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

Good catch, XV-15! The more I listen the better it gets. This is the best $800 I have ever spent in this hobby.

Thanks. Wasn't sure if you meant the XS15 or XV15, or if you were in the wrong forum. biggrin.gif
post #8450 of 10009
I am very happy with the energy CF speakers I bought for a fantastic price. They don't compete with my Vienna acoustics but at 1/10th the cost I really couldn't be happier. They do music very well and movies they are wonderful.
post #8451 of 10009
I have a question about the new sub levels. I haven't ordered a mic for REW yet, but I am playing around with the new SPL meter. Should all speakers be the same? I know the L/R Mains should and maybe the center equal if not slightly more. What about the surrounds or subs. If the Front stage is at 55 from my main listen position, should the surrounds and subs be the same level at the same position?
post #8452 of 10009
All speakers should be 75 db with testones
post #8453 of 10009
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

All speakers should be 75 db with testones

OK, I will take that to mean all equal in this case. If I am doing the manual setup with my X4000 and go to the speaker screen, the levels. That's where the test tones start. The X4000s sound level is at 57.5. My SPL shows between 55 and 56 for the fronts. The sides and rears were only at 50-51 and the subs were only at 43-44. So, so long as I bring them all up to equal, say the 55-56 level that the fronts were at, everything is good?
post #8454 of 10009
Correct they should all be equal. But you should put the avr up to max (reference level) and the calibrate them to 75
post #8455 of 10009
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Correct they should all be equal. But you should put the avr up to max (reference level) and the calibrate them to 75

Ok, not quite sure what you mean. Do I run the volume all the way up to the top and then calibrate, or is there some setting in the menu I should be looking for?
post #8456 of 10009
It's easier to describe if you out you volume in db. So 0.0 is reference and less than showed how far from ref you EG -10db

Then when running test tones put volume to 0.0. Then set channel levels so the meter reads 75db
post #8457 of 10009
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

It's easier to describe if you out you volume in db. So 0.0 is reference and less than showed how far from ref you EG -10db

Then when running test tones put volume to 0.0. Then set channel levels so the meter reads 75db

Brian, I am trying to understand. You have the same receiver I do, but I am not understanding what you are saying when using the receivers setup function. When I go volume up or volume down, it gives me a number, no minus. When I was running test tones I had it at 57.5. That was from the manual speaker setup menu, speakers, levels, test tones. If I push all the way up on the button it goes up to 98.

I couldn't decrease setting enough to get them down to 75db. Are we talking about the same test tones, I am talking about what the Denon menu gives me when I am in the screens I described above. Also, I noticed the levels were different on my meter when in A vs C. The mains and surrounds were only about 4-6 different between A and C, but the Sub was up all most 20 between A and C.
post #8458 of 10009
Slow setting c weighted on the spl meter

Go to settings menu and change volume to absolute.

Audio-volume-scale (set to -75.5db-10db)

Then when playing testones in the channel level test tone start. Bump the volume in the avr to 0.0
post #8459 of 10009
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Slow setting c weighted on the spl meter

Go to settings menu and change volume to absolute.

Audio-volume-scale (set to -75.5db-10db)

Then when playing testones in the channel level test tone start. Bump the volume in the avr to 0.0

Thanks, I am giving it a try now.
post #8460 of 10009
Nope prob. Lmk how it goes
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