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post #9001 of 9927
Ok I am going to put in my order soon for another xv15. I have an anthem mrx 510 and it has one sub out. I was planning on getting a male to 2 female y adaptor and run one cable from the female to the xV15 in the front of the room. For the second sub, which will behind the couch, am I ok to connect a wireless sub adaptor to the y cable? Or should I use two wireless adaptors due to the signal delay?
post #9002 of 9927
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Originally Posted by JasonT35 View Post

Ok I am going to put in my order soon for another xv15. I have an anthem mrx 510 and it has one sub out. I was planning on getting a male to 2 female y adaptor and run one cable from the female to the xV15 in the front of the room. For the second sub, which will behind the couch, am I ok to connect a wireless sub adaptor to the y cable? Or should I use two wireless adaptors due to the signal delay?

I am running 2 subs off of one wireless and the third off of another wireless. I ran ypao again after adding the third and all it did was add anothe 4-5ft to the distance setting. So in a nutshell you should be golden. smile.gif
post #9003 of 9927
enjoying my dual xs30's mucha but am wondering if id get more out of them by dumping my older Pioneer 03 for a Denon x4000:)
post #9004 of 9927
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Originally Posted by mercury View Post

enjoying my dual xs30's mucha but am wondering if id get more out of them by dumping my older Pioneer 03 for a Denon x4000:)

Maybe, however until you are willing to measure the sub system then you would be rolling the dice. The advantage the X4000 would have is the ability to eq both subs. It could be a issue with placement more then anything.

That being said I would probably upgrade for the sake of upgrading and if anything the sound of your mains should improve. smile.gif
post #9005 of 9927
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Originally Posted by mercury View Post

enjoying my dual xs30's mucha but am wondering if id get more out of them by dumping my older Pioneer 03 for a Denon x4000:)

MiniDSP 2x4 will eq dual subs, individually, for around $100.  Just as a budget alternative.

post #9006 of 9927
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Originally Posted by bear123 View Post

MiniDSP 2x4 will eq dual subs, individually, for around $100.  Just as a budget alternative.

I found this article posted on HiFiZine.com that might be helpful:

This is a tutorial on using the miniDSP 2×4 “DSP in a box” for equalizing a subwoofer and integrating it into a two-channel audio system. This article, hopefully the first in a series of articles on the miniDSP board and peripherals, introduces the basic concepts of crossovers and equalization using the miniDSP.

http://www.hifizine.com/2010/09/subwoofer-equalization-and-integration-with-the-minidsp-2x4/

Some more articles on various miniDSP products can be found at: http://www.minidsp.com/aboutus/press-reviews
post #9007 of 9927
Neutro has a great write-up on the mini dsp right here in this section that is also worth a look.
post #9008 of 9927
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Originally Posted by JasonT35 View Post

Ok I am going to put in my order soon for another xv15. I have an anthem mrx 510 and it has one sub out. I was planning on getting a male to 2 female y adaptor and run one cable from the female to the xV15 in the front of the room. For the second sub, which will behind the couch, am I ok to connect a wireless sub adaptor to the y cable? Or should I use two wireless adaptors due to the signal delay?

Not sure if this is a good idea. One sub will have a much bigger delay than the other and your receiver can't adjust for this.

Maybe can correct this by playing with the phase adjustment on the other sub?
post #9009 of 9927
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Originally Posted by JasonT35 View Post

Ok I am going to put in my order soon for another xv15. I have an anthem mrx 510 and it has one sub out. I was planning on getting a male to 2 female y adaptor and run one cable from the female to the xV15 in the front of the room. For the second sub, which will behind the couch, am I ok to connect a wireless sub adaptor to the y cable? Or should I use two wireless adaptors due to the signal delay?

Two wireless adapters would be your best bet, but if you only have 1 subwoofer output, the only ideal solution is two same length cables to their respective subs, or wireless subs the same distance from the signalling module. 

 

However, if you connect the same length of cable from the Y adapter to the wireless module, that goes from the Y adapter to the other sub, you should be OK. YMMV

 

You could always get two wireless modules and send one back if you can't tell a difference. But, if you're like me you'll keep all the gadgets that come through your door, whether you need them or not. :D  

post #9010 of 9927
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post

Not sure if this is a good idea. One sub will have a much bigger delay than the other and your receiver can't adjust for this.

Maybe can correct this by playing with the phase adjustment on the other sub?

Agreed. I would run all subs off of the wireless like I did. I went back a reread his post and must of missed where Jason was inquiring about running one wired and the other wireless...I would not do that.
post #9011 of 9927
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Originally Posted by bear123 View Post

MiniDSP 2x4 will eq dual subs, individually, for around $100.  Just as a budget alternative.

Great point. Although to properly EQ the sub, you have to take frequency response measurements first, and that require a mic or SPL meter, and optimally a laptop or HTPC to run REW in the living room. Assuming the laptop is not a problem, the MiniDSP + mandatory plugin + UMIK-1 USB mic + shipping will be about $200 on MiniDSP's site, so it's still a budget-friendly alternative to buying an XT32- and/or SubEQ HT- enabled AVR.

It's a bit more involved though -- the process is not automated. But it will yield great results for the smallest investment possible.
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

Neutro has a great write-up on the mini dsp right here in this section that is also worth a look.

However that thread was specifically on how to use the MiniDSP to level-match multiple subs -- I avoided EQing on purpose biggrin.gif
post #9012 of 9927
I'm a potential buyer and am considering the xv15 but now I question on just getting the xs30. Anyone have experiences between the two? I'll continue to read this thread and I've already decided on one sub and not two.
post #9013 of 9927
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Originally Posted by Bachelor View Post

I'm a potential buyer and am considering the xv15 but now I question on just getting the xs30. Anyone have experiences between the two? I'll continue to read this thread and I've already decided on one sub and not two.

The XS30 is a better sub...however if I had the choice between 2 XV15's or 1 XS30, I would go for the XV15's.
post #9014 of 9927
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Originally Posted by Bachelor View Post

I'm a potential buyer and am considering the xv15 but now I question on just getting the xs30. Anyone have experiences between the two? I'll continue to read this thread and I've already decided on one sub and not two.

This is not enough information.  For music only, the xs30 would be better regardless.  For movies, the XV15 might be a better choice depending on room size.  You need a small enough room with the XS30 in order for room gain to help with lfe for movies.

post #9015 of 9927
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Originally Posted by bear123 View Post

This is not enough information.  For music only, the xs30 would be better regardless.  For movies, the XV15 might be a better choice depending on room size.  You need a small enough room with the XS30 in order for room gain to help with lfe for movies.

I think I would disagree with you on this one. My XV15 does great with music. At the beginning, I was thinking of going with the sealed sub, but I gave the XV15 a chance, and I am very impressed and happy with it. It handles music just fine biggrin.gif
post #9016 of 9927
Also the small room is not really a necessity with one xs30. A smaller room is very helpful but I had a single xs30 running in my 13x15 room which is in an open floor plan and it was awesome (I preferred it over the single xv15).

Then when I could I upgraded to duals and now I'm super happy!!
post #9017 of 9927
Go dual 15's if you can, I did and am LOVIN IT! Which by the way was a great song in the 70's smile.gif
post #9018 of 9927
I appreciate the information and realize the various opinions, etc. I have narrowed it down to a PSA sub which is the important part. My room is dedicated 15x28 and I'm leaning towards an xv15 with the potential of adding a second down the road.
post #9019 of 9927
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

The XS30 is a better sub...however if I had the choice between 2 XV15's or 1 XS30, I would go for the XV15's.

As a former owner of dual XS30's I would agree with bass, if your only choices are one XS30 or dual XV15's I definitely say get the dual XV15's!

But if you're thinking one XS30 now and one down the road in the not so distant future I say get the XS30.
post #9020 of 9927
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

As a former owner of dual XS30's I would agree with bass, if your only choices are one XS30 or dual XV15's I definitely say get the dual XV15's!

But if you're thinking one XS30 now and one down the road in the not so distant future I say get the XS30.
+1

Can't say enough for Dual subs
post #9021 of 9927
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Originally Posted by Bachelor View Post

I appreciate the information and realize the various opinions, etc. I have narrowed it down to a PSA sub which is the important part. My room is dedicated 15x28 and I'm leaning towards an xv15 with the potential of adding a second down the road.

My room is 20x25x8 and has glass down one side and a 5' wide double door as the entry/exit but is otherwise closed. My main focus was home theater.

After going about 3 years using the built in powered woofers in the Deftech BP-8080ST mains and no subwoofer, I finally decided to get another sub. I scoured the net, considered SVS, PSA, Rythmik and the DIY route via a flat pack. I decided I didn't want to deal with EQing the sub and making sure I got the appropriate amp for the drivers, etc at this time. I then narrowed down my decision to two PSA XV15 subs, one PSA XV30 sub or one Rythmik FV15HP sub. The total price is roughly the same (within $100) for all three options. I then further narrowed things down to the dual PSA XV15 subs or the single Rythmik FV15HP based of reviews and numerous posts on forums.

tl;dr

I am spending ~$1,500 total on subs, the question of spending $1,500 today and another $1,500 in the future was a "no". I decided to go with dual subs due to the overwhelming response from forum members on multiple forums that dual great subs provided an improvement over a single excellent sub. I went the PSA route due to the positive reviews of the XV15 sub and the exceptional customer service reputation of Tom at PSA. I have found Tom to be great to work with, answers all my emails first thing in the morning and is active on the forums.

Does this post give you a definitive answer? Heck no, I ordered my subs but have not received them yet! smile.gif But at least it provides a little insight into what one recent purchaser of a new sub went through and I hope that at least that adds to the conversation.

Thanks!
post #9022 of 9927
I've had dual XV15s and dual XS30s in my space 15 W X 26L X 8H and can say that both of these options provided all the LFE I hoped for. Dual subs offer a great deal of smoothing and eliminate localization and some decent headroom with output. I had a single XV15 at first and just loved that sub for both music and HT, adding the second just made everything that was already good better.To be honest dual XV15s would be better IMO than a single XS30. My Triax is in another dimension at least for me, I thought I was done after the Triax but PSA subs are so good I can't get that second Triax out of my mind.biggrin.gif With me I seem to feel the Triax more than any sub I ever had, it's amazing the air this sub can move, I'm afraid of structural damage with a second. I have three dedicated 20 amp circuits in my LR and it's begging for an additional Triax. I do believe I will be a lonely old man if I get a second Triax as my better half will be leaving me. I think I will just wait on the new PSA speakers and go from there. Back to the question, I would go for dual XV15s, you will be pleasantly surprised, a single did very well in my room, very well indeed.
Cheers Jeff
post #9023 of 9927
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post


I think I would disagree with you on this one. My XV15 does great with music. At the beginning, I was thinking of going with the sealed sub, but I gave the XV15 a chance, and I am very impressed and happy with it. It handles music just fine biggrin.gif

 

 

    your liking your sub Gus..  1 or 2? 

 

   cheers

post #9024 of 9927
With the wife heading out today it's time for me to play...eek.gif fine tune sub-woofer time...smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif

Now the duals do sound wonderful nearfield in Picture 1. but my PSB bookshelves sound awesome in Picture two. actually moved in the bookshelves put the sound above your head when sitting couch center-wink.gif and added more definition and better sound field

anyhow-. Iv'e got a few feet of movement with the Subs that I can test. more of a corner placement as shown in Picture 3 and 4-...
Ill keep you posted.


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post #9025 of 9927
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Originally Posted by mercury View Post

With the wife heading out today it's time for me to play...eek.gif fine tune sub-woofer time...smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif

Now the duals do sound wonderful nearfield in Picture 1. but my PSB bookshelves sound awesome in Picture two. actually moved in the bookshelves put the sound above your head when sitting couch center-wink.gif and added more definition and better sound field

anyhow-. Iv'e got a few feet of movement with the Subs that I can test. more of a corner placement as shown in Picture 3 and 4-...
Ill keep you posted.


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A bit surprised you prefer the surrounds so close....I would think they would be too "in your ear".  You lose the end table effect with them in the corner as well.  Curious to see if it makes a difference or not.  From what I have read, as long as you are within a quarter wavelength of the corner you get full benefit of corner loading.

post #9026 of 9927
Curious if the wifey will like it
post #9027 of 9927
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Curious if the wifey will like it


the wifey usually lets me run wild. she pretty cool like that. although not crazy about the one on the right. oh well will see.
post #9028 of 9927
I think it looks phenomenal if that matters smile.gif
post #9029 of 9927
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Originally Posted by cableguy301 View Post


    your liking your sub Gus..  1 or 2? 

   cheers

One sub for now, but saving up for a second one.
post #9030 of 9927


Crappy cell phone pic but the sunset sun beaming off the xs30 was cool in person. It shimmers.

Ps like the FAO Schwartz windup Dino?
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