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post #4201 of 4342
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Originally Posted by socd View Post

Why is KABB interupting HD brodcast OTA every 3O minutes or so to say time warner customers may lose the local FOX station.

It's a negotiating tactic. KABB's owner wants to squeeze more money out of its next deal with Time-Warner. It will probably continue until the end of the year and a few days into next year. Once the station disappears from the T-W lineup, KABB loses the ability to communicate directly with T-W subscribers, hence the frequent and intrusive reminders.
post #4202 of 4342
The latest KMYS piece on that subject ends with a list of other "providers" besides TW that they can be had on. And, yeah, free OTA (with a semi-massive stack of multi-element UHF arrays as the logo )
post #4203 of 4342
I'm near McCreless Mall(4100 S New Braunfels Ave, San Antonio, TX. 78223) And was wondering what would be a good antenna for this side of town? I've tried a cheap $5 Antenna with no love. Any help? Thanks.
post #4204 of 4342
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Originally Posted by lee78221 View Post

I'm near McCreless Mall(4100 S New Braunfels Ave, San Antonio, TX. 78223) And was wondering what would be a good antenna for this side of town? I've tried a cheap $5 Antenna with no love. Any help? Thanks.

As close as you are to the transmitters for the major local stations, an inexpensive indoor antenna should work, but make sure it is for both UHF and VHF. Many antennas are UHF-only. You will probably have to experiment with the orientation of the antenna to get a consistent signal.

For example, I am on the NE side of San Antonio, just inside Loop 410. I have an older directional VHF/UHF rooftop antenna for my main TV that is aimed toward Elmendorf. It even pulls in channels 2.1 & 2.2 (most of the time) off the backside of the elements. I have a $10 indoor rabbit ear antenna w/UHF loop on a secondary TV, and I still get most local channels consistently (minus 2.1 & 2.2). I don't have amplifiers on either antenna.

Check out antennaweb for more info.
http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx
post #4205 of 4342
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Originally Posted by AV-In-SA View Post

As close as you are to the transmitters for the major local stations, an inexpensive indoor antenna should work, but make sure it is for both UHF and VHF. Many antennas are UHF-only. You will probably have to experiment with the orientation of the antenna to get a consistent signal.
Check out antennaweb for more info.
http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx

Thanks for answering my question. Just for the hell of it I tired the antenna I talked about above again and it's working fine now((fingers crossed). Hopefully it'll stay that way.
post #4206 of 4342
So far, Time Warner is remaining silent on the KABB negotiations. I googled it but I can't find anything on the current dispute. However, what I am able to fnd is that TW has a contract with Fox that if they should drop the local Fox affiliate, that they would then be able to air network programing directly from Fox. Of course that does not include KABB local programing but it appears that San Antonio would still get football games and the superbowl directly from Fox.

I wonder why TW does not counter KABB's anouncement that is trying to encourage cable customers to drop TW. Based on those anouncements, it appears that KABB is very sure they are going to be dropped. Does anyone have any info on that and does TW have KABB over a barrel?

Signing up with any satellite company is out of the question. A 24 month commitment is required, which might be O.K., but then giving them access to my checking account or credit card for direct billing is out of the question. Once they have access to that, they have you by the yang yang and based on complaints I have read, no matter how bad their service is, you have no leverage whatsoever.

Over the air is also out of the question. I live in Leon Valley and there are too many trees in my way and I don't want a tall antenna on my house. Besides, I have a 7 year old crt, which still looks really good, that does not have a built in tuner. So all I can say is, sayonara KABB. Once football is over, they would not be worth me going out of my way and expense to watch their station.
post #4207 of 4342
I was sorry when KABB got Fox from KRRT back when as KRRT had the superior analog signal here (near Ingram and Callaghan Rd.) It was nice to find out that KABB's DTV signal was more watchable than their analog had been (on a mid-sized antenna at 20' aimed s.e.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S97EvRhtMgk vs http://www.qsl.net/wa5iyx/images/kmys35nlte.jpg
post #4208 of 4342
My daughter just moved to the Leon Springs area NW of town (just off I-10) Will she be able to get OTA TV, what channels? What type of antenna will she need (size, UHF/VHF?) they are on a small hill, and have a pretty clear view to San Antonio.

Thanks
Danny
post #4209 of 4342
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Originally Posted by surf40 View Post
My daughter just moved to the Leon Springs area NW of town (just off I-10) Will she be able to get OTA TV, what channels? What type of antenna will she need (size, UHF/VHF?) they are on a small hill, and have a pretty clear view to San Antonio.

Thanks
Danny
She'll need a UHF/VHF capable antenna. The San Antonio affilates for ABC, PBS, and MyNetworks are VHF, the other major network affiliates are UHF. It will probably take a pretty good rooftop antenna in Leon Springs, as the transmitters for most of the major stations are located SE of San Antonio in Elmendorf.

Check out the following link for more info. You can enter her address to get a better idea of what kind of antenna will be needed.
http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx
post #4210 of 4342
I ending getting my daughter the Antennacraft HBU33 from Radio Shack. I put it up in her attic. I actually hung if by string from the rafters, pointing at 136 deg per the Antennaweb site. She lives close to Fair Oaks Ranch, just off Ralph Fair road next to Camp Bullis. She has a 2 story house.

After the set-up, we get NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, CW, ION, and several lesser channels. But no PBS, as its kw is pretty low compared to the other. She gets HD really go on all the major networks.

Danny
post #4211 of 4342
It's too bad that KLRN (PBS) can't raise their ERP (it's "protecting" the much smaller market Ch 9 in Killeen). Their tower is actually 7 miles closer in to downtown than the others at/near Elmendorf. They relocated there in 1984 after starting out in 1962 with one near New Braunfels (to serve Austin and San Antonio). One can still find a few old Ch 9 multi-element Yagis (unused) around town fix-aimed n.e. at where they used to be!
post #4212 of 4342
I live off of Kyle Seale & 1604 and had an AntennaCraft 5885 installed today on a 4' mast mounted to the ridge line of my 2nd story roof . I oriented it to approximately 132° based on the TVFool.com recommendation and got 22 channels on my first scan and 23 on the second.

All channels were coming in solid and steady until tonight when I started to see pixelation on KLRN 9.1 and complete loss of signal on KSAT 12.1. I'm not as concerned about PBS but am a little frustrated that ABC is not available at night using a roof mounted quality mid-range antenna inside the city limits. Any recommendations on what I can do to resolve that with my current setup? I realize that I'm on the outer edge of what the antenna is rated for on UHF but I'd rather not put a bigger antenna on the house if I can help it.
post #4213 of 4342
Harley_Dude,

with a 90" boom that's already a large antenna. But you are more than 30 miles from the transmitters and those VHF channels are running quite low power. I would experiment with an antenna preamp like the Winegard AP8275 or similar, with built-in FM trap. Channel Master makes one of my favorites, the CM0068DSP "Spartan," with a built-in FM trap.

You might contact KSAT about a free FM trap; I think they were giving them away for viewers with problems a while back. If they have no more they should be able to recommend a brand. There are plenty to choose from.

KSAT DTV is particularly vulnerable to the second harmonic of certain FM radio stations here in San Antonio, and due to the fact that their power is low (Thanks, FCC!) their signal is easily overcome.
post #4214 of 4342
Thanks for the suggestions Realthogue! I called KSAT today and spoke with one of their broadcast engineers about my reception issues on their station. He was very helpful and was a little surprised that I wasn't able to pick up their signal with my antenna setup. He felt like my issue might be that the antenna was slightly off on alignment and also offered a free FM trap and the number of a person that he recommended in the antenna business if I had further problems.

I got my wife to pick up the FM trap since she was close to the KSAT offices this afternoon and I installed it earlier this evening. After doing so, I picked up 28 channels (23 last night) but KSAT is not really any better. So I'm going to try the adjustment of the antenna and if that fails, I will go for one of the pre-amps you suggested.

Thought I would also share that the engineer said KSAT will not be on the air for 2 weeks in June while they installed a new tower that is "circularly polarized". I'm not really sure what that means but he said it meant they were going from a tower that was built to broadcast to 1960's standards to a much more modern setup that will hopefully improve reception across the San Antonio area.
post #4215 of 4342
With Ch 12 204-210 MHz the FM stations whose 2nd harmonic (generated in the TV tuner from overload) would affect them would fall between 102-105 MHz. That means 102.3 (a LPFM), 102.7, 103.7 (a xltor), 104.1, and 104.5. 102.7 and 104.5 are 100-kw items on the Tower of the Americas downtown. An FM trap will take out/reduce all (or a portion) of the FM band signals reaching the TV tuner. With NTSC such interference would vary depending on if the harmonic(s) were close to the TV video or audio carriers (making various patterns of herringbone or audio disruption). With DTV needing almost all of the 6 MHz of the channel to decode, that type of interference can now be far more destructive (and "sinister" since many other things can cause non-decoding).

Interesting that KSAT-12 has a planned prolonged outage for June. It might provide me a chance for some TV-DX on there since it was never vacant when they flashcut from DT-48 to DT-12 in Jun 2009.
post #4216 of 4342
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Originally Posted by WA5IYX View Post

Interesting that KSAT-12 has a planned prolonged outage for June. It might provide me a chance for some TV-DX on there since it was never vacant when they flashcut from DT-48 to DT-12 in Jun 2009.

KSAT will not be completely dark; they do have a low power auxiliary feeding a bat-wing on their downtown self-supporting tower. The power won't be great, but it will help retain some of their OTA audience. Conditions may still be good enough to DX, tho.
post #4217 of 4342
I forgot that KSAT still had an aux ant/tower downtown (they had vid a few years ago of ice falling off it into their parking lot). It must be the same stick that enabled them in early 1959 to proclaim themselves "clearly the eyes of the great Southwest" - a not-so-subtle jab at KENS/WOAI going to the Elmendorf tower which resulted in many in-town viewers no longer being able to get them on their simple rabbit ears of that era. A non-issue for us as we'd brought a 1955 6-el hi-low VHF Yagi from California when moving to SA in Jul 1957, and it was aimed s.e. (Elmendorf/downtown). Others were soon to sprout around us Maybe with 4/5 only c. 6 miles away is why I never noticed any Es CCI on them in 1957-58 ? (I got Harlingen and Weslaco a few times back then after they'd signed off.)
post #4218 of 4342
Hey Jerry, got a question for you Why, when KENS broadcasts Spurs games, and you all delay the CBS programming for overnight airing, the shows are in standard def? Are all of your IRD's not HD capable, or could it be a server issue? Just curious

Chuck
post #4219 of 4342
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Originally Posted by ChuckKenworthey View Post

Hey Jerry, got a question for you Why, when KENS broadcasts Spurs games, and you all delay the CBS programming for overnight airing, the shows are in standard def?Chuck

All the equipment is HD and so are the servers, but the way we are configured for automatic recording of the CBS delay limits us to SD mode, leaving HD recording available for commercial ingest, news offline production and promo production. Doing so relieves the staffing crunch that would be difficult immediately before and after the games.

Datamover software has to move the recording between the protect and main servers and a three hour block doesn't start to transfer until the third hour is finished. We have tried a few creative approaches to get around that as much as possible but the success of it depends on overall workload on game night.

Before the days of automated recording of the CBS delay we had a few more staff that allowed better customization of how the delay package was recorded. There are new servers in our (distant) future (don't go getting impatient on me now!) that will help to relieve this problem, but not in 2011 or 2012.
post #4220 of 4342
Anyone getting lots of little dropouts on Fox KABB?
post #4221 of 4342
Yep, been getting them with my sat reception ..... hadn't checked OTA, but now I know it starts OTA.
post #4222 of 4342
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Originally Posted by Realthogue View Post

KSAT will not be completely dark; they do have a low power auxiliary feeding a bat-wing on their downtown self-supporting tower. The power won't be great, but it will help retain some of their OTA audience. Conditions may still be good enough to DX, tho.

The filing for the antenna replacement just came in; they want to replace the current horizontally-polarized omni with a circularly-polarized directional antenna, and simultaneously increase power from 22.2 kW to 65 kW.

Should be a significantly better signal.

- Trip
post #4223 of 4342
I imagine that KSAT will be giving up some of their coastal coverage (which dates back to the days when there were no stations between Corpus and Houston) in exchange for more ERP towards the Hill Country to the n.w. (there are still no full-power stations between here and San Angelo).
post #4224 of 4342
I was watching a lot of the NCAA tournament this past weekend and noticed there is a lot of noise (grainy dots) on the court when watching the games on Kens. This noise is not there on TBS, TruTV, or TNT. Why is there so much noise on Kens?
post #4225 of 4342
Niembre,

I was not aware of the noise you mention - but I will look more closely for it. There should be no noise of that character in a digital signal.
post #4226 of 4342
If anyone notices/cares, KOBS-LP-19 went to DT a few days ago. With 5-kw ERP at 5.5 miles their decoding still gets supressed at several azimuths (especially if KTXH in Houston is trying to come in).
post #4227 of 4342
What's on it?

- Trip
post #4228 of 4342
An assortment of mostly Hispanic religious programming.
http://www.qsl.net/wa5iyx/images/kobs-ld-19z.jpg
post #4229 of 4342
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The filing for the antenna replacement just came in; they want to replace the current horizontally-polarized omni with a circularly-polarized directional antenna, and simultaneously increase power from 22.2 kW to 65 kW.

We just bought the Sony Google TV box and are trying to go without cable this week as a test run. We have U-Verse currently and realized that there would be significant savings to get rid of our cable package. We bought a Terk Omni-Directional Amplified antenna for HDTV. We are able to get NBC, CBS, and FOX clearly. We have no signal for ABC despite trying the antenna in various different positions and spots. We are in the Bitters/Blanco area of town, which after researching I am finding that is about 27 miles from the ABC tower. Will we be able to pick up ABC in this location once they upgrade their antenna? Or will we need to invest in an attic or roof mounted antenna? We are new at this so any advice would be appreciated!
post #4230 of 4342
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Originally Posted by agunther View Post

We just bought the Sony Google TV box and are trying to go without cable this week as a test run. We have U-Verse currently and realized that there would be significant savings to get rid of our cable package. We bought a Terk Omni-Directional Amplified antenna for HDTV. We are able to get NBC, CBS, and FOX clearly. We have no signal for ABC despite trying the antenna in various different positions and spots. We are in the Bitters/Blanco area of town, which after researching I am finding that is about 27 miles from the ABC tower. Will we be able to pick up ABC in this location once they upgrade their antenna? Or will we need to invest in an attic or roof mounted antenna? We are new at this so any advice would be appreciated!

What about the local PBS station? I'm assuming the Terk omni-directional antenna is both UHF and VHF. The 9.X (PBS) and 12.X (ABC) channels are VHF.

If you can't get either of those channels with your indoor UHF/VHF antenna, you may need to go with an outdoor model. Or possibly an attic antenna, if there is enough room in there, and you don't have a metal roof. If it's just ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and FOX networks that you're interested in, a fixed directional antenna should be able to pull all of those in (and possibly some of the others), although I don't know of any local retailers that actually stock those multi-element outdoor/attic directional antennas in the store, anymore. They can be ordered, though.
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