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post #151 of 6985
J in OP, I have Samsung 165 and I have no problem picking the locals here in Youngstown. I put my antenna in the attic but I did use the radio shack double bow tie and my wife did like it on top of the TV. I was able to pick my Samsung off of ebay for $369 so good luck. There is a great thread on this. Search under "I just got my Samsung sir-t165 today" Welcome to the thread.
post #152 of 6985
I have read much of the Samsung 165 thread. There does not seem to be a shift problem with the Sony HDTV's, and I am glad to hear that there are no compatibility problems with the local stations.

I have checked antennaweb, and was surprised to find that I am closer to the broadcast towers than I would have thought. The WNED tower seems like it is the opposite direction from the others, so I wonder about reception on that channel, but would expect the others to be ok. The one thing I don't want to have to do is move the antenna every time I change a channel.

I guess that in the end, trying it out is the only way to find out.

Thanks again.
post #153 of 6985
A couple more stations you should be able to get in the Buffalo area in the fall: City TV (57 analogue, is now testing a DTV; I believe it will be 53) and a new station goes on air Sept. 19....they will be doing the Monday Night Football thing as well. I believe their DTV channel will be 66. The new station's website is http://www.torontoone.ca
Anyone else in the Toronto area want to give me some advice on OTA set top boxes? I am about 58 miles as the crow flies from the Grand Island towers and 85 miles to the other Buffalo towers (south of Buffalo). I currently get poor to OK reception (7, 17, 23 & 29 are decent, 2, 4, and 49 are weaker) with an attic-mounted yagi antenna. I may be able to do a bit better with some tinkering, but I'd rather not go outside for asthetic reasons. I'm considering purchasing a set top box, but will I be able to get a strong enough signal, and any suggestions to help with boosting the signal (amplifier, different antenna, etc)......THANKS....PS..any suggestions on the box.....I have a 50" Toshiba ('HD ready')
post #154 of 6985
Hey thanks for the info and I'll check those channels often. I currently live in Youngstown and I get 17- 33- 39. I am not able to get any from Rochester or Toronto though. MSTEVE, you should be able to get the digital channels from Buffalo when you get a set top box.
post #155 of 6985
City-DT is broadcasting at pretty low power, around 3 or 4 hundred Watts I believe. I can only occaionaly pick them up from less than 60 miles away with a pretty high gain setup. They are supposed to be increasing their power in the fall, I can't remember what the planned output is. Also their HD offering up to this point has been slim at best, a couple of movies and a few repeats of Smallville, but it's a beginning.
post #156 of 6985
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Originally posted by MSteve
A couple more stations ... in the Toronto area

I can't wait.. I live in Lockport, and get the New VR 3, 22, 25, 19 and others on UHF from Canada and Toronto, so I can imagine I will get some great HD from there as well once it kicks in! I need to move my antenna into the attic so I can get some stronger signals tho.
post #157 of 6985
The new Toronto One station that starts on Sept 19 will be a full power HDTV station, 100 percent digital, even their local news will be in HDTV. I'm not sure what their ERP will be at this point in time but they will be at full power and likely receivable in parts of N.Y. State.
post #158 of 6985
Maybe you could point out where on the www.TorontoOne.ca website it says they will be broadcasting in HDTV, because I can't find it, so far it reads like it's going to become a digicable channel.
post #159 of 6985
Here is the article quoted from the Toronto Star.

Toronto's new TV station thinking big
A variety show nightly in mix

`Gaping hole' seen for T.O. viewers


MURRAY WHYTE
ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER

Seen from Calgary, the view of Toronto's congested television landscape isn't as daunting as one might think.

"We think there's a big, gaping hole," said Drew Craig, head of Calgary-based Craig Media, Inc., speaking from his temporary digs in a Yorkville office. "Toronto is maybe the most competitive media market in North America. But when you look at local television, it's not."

Really? Toronto, by some estimations, is laden with local television options, from such juggernauts as CFTO, the local CTV affiliate, to the CBC to Global to CHUM Ltd.'s intensely local Citytv.

But there's a lot of space between the tokenistic local efforts of the national mega-broadcasters and Citytv, Craig said. "City has done what I believe to be a good job in serving the local market. But effectively, they're the only show in town."

With that in mind, Craig is busying himself with the task of filling the gap. Craig pulled up stakes in his Calgary home and moved his family to Toronto for the most pivotal launch yet by his family's 50-year-old media company.

This evening, Craig will be at the Second City theatre to pitch the advertising community on a bundle of channels his company has to offer. Most significant among them is Toronto One, the brand-new, yet-to-be-launched local station Craig will roll out in September.

Its importance is this: In this age of digital cable, Toronto One will not be one more obscure specialty channel feeding hints on knitting to a niche viewership, perched somewhere in the oxygen-thin broadcasting stratosphere of the high-80s on your converter dial. No, Toronto One will be an all-access, basic cable priority channel, mandated between channels 2 and 13 on the dial. Don't have cable? No problem. Toronto One's high-definition signal will be antenna friendly.

In short, Toronto One is the first new local channel of its kind since another independent-minded upstart arrived back in 1974, Citytv.

The channel is the product of a CRTC application derby last year in which Craig beat out media giants like Alliance Atlantis and Torstar Inc., which owns this newspaper, for the much-coveted licence. That it went to Craig, whose most significant holdings are in Manitoba and Alberta, was a surprise to many. CHUM Ltd's Citytv, which currently defines localism on the Toronto TV dial, was said to be particularly livid.

It's not hard to see why. In 1995, when Craig won licences in Calgary and Edmonton, it promptly installed its two A-Channel franchises featuring an urbane, youthful, dynamic type of broadcasting emanating from downtown studios encased in glass. To Citytv's owners, it sounded more than a little like the streetfront concept pioneered by the station in the early '80s at its then-new Queen St. W. site. In 2001, Craig rankled CHUM Ltd. further when it signed a licensing deal with MTV, the enormously successful U.S. music channel, to establish a Canadian version as a digital channel. CHUM, of course, had operated MuchMusic as a Canadian version of MTV since 1984. Up to that point, MuchMusic had been buying content from MTV.

CHUM has countered with licence applications in both Calgary and Edmonton. Its previous attempts to gain entry to the Alberta TV market have been turned down.

Now the battle shifts to CHUM's home turf Toronto.

"I wouldn't say we feel tremendously threatened, but we're not taking (the new channel) lightly, either," said Maria Hale, vice-president of Citytv. As to the A-Channel homage, Hale is blasé. " I think Moses (Znaimer) would say many people have emulated our look," she said. "A successful formula was created 30 years ago. We're flattered when people try to emulate us. But I think the audience can see what is sincere and what is not."

Craig insists he's not targeting Citytv's audience in particular. "We'll steal a little bit from everybody. I don't think any one player will get hurt more than anyone else," he said.

But Citytv does leave a lot of audience out in the cold, Craig said. "They have a distinct style and a distinct approach, and we think that's a fairly niche approach. It tends to skew very young. I think there's a real opportunity to (attract) people who outgrow City, but find CFTO too stuffy. We don't intend to be niche players. We are broadcasters in the true sense, so we need everybody to buy into the concept."

The A-Channel concept for Toronto will be more fully fleshed out for the admen tonight, but it will have to adhere to certain requirements laid out by the CRTC in the application process. By mandate, Toronto One will need to heed the city's cultural diversity, provide variety entertainment and culture programming every night in prime time and also devote at least 30 minutes a week to aboriginal programming.

Supplementing such altruistic initiatives, of course, will be more lucrative U.S.-imported programming like Monday Night Football, which Craig has secured through 2004 for the Toronto market, and a new ABC talk show hosted by comic Wayne Brady. Such are the necessaries of attracting advertisers. But Craig shows more interest in the new programs that Toronto One is preparing to unleash in the fall. The Toronto Show appears to be his favourite; Craig, soft-spoken and serious in manner, grows animated when describing plans for this nightly variety show.

"The Quebec broadcasters have done a terrific job of reflecting the culture of Quebec in prime time. The English Canadian broadcasters have done, I believe, a poor job of it," he said. The Toronto Show hopes to fix that by providing an open door to local talent comedians, musicians, performers of all sorts every night.

Indeed, to feed a nightly show's voracious appetite, the door will have to be open wide. Craig isn't concerned. This city "is probably the only Canadian market where you can do something like the Toronto show and make it work," he said. "The talent pool is endless."

Toronto One is also paired up with a couple of cred-heavy local institutions. Second City, the theatre that launched the careers of John Candy, Catherine O'Hara and Eugene Levy, among others, will be the source of a regular program Second City Improv. Another alliance is with Toronto Life magazine.

"Toronto is long overdue for a new station," Craig said. "Gaining the respect and confidence of viewers takes a long time. But we're in this for the long haul."
post #160 of 6985
Has there been a peep out of Our Favorite Cable Company (Adelphia) regarding HDTV carriage? Other than to say they plan to do it some day?
post #161 of 6985
Hi all:
Has anyone had luck contacting WKBW about their July 1 launch? I know they have put it back twice before and I have sent them 2 e-mails and they never reply back.
post #162 of 6985
I have not heard any word from WKBW other than they are supposed to be up and going July 1. I have been checking there sub channel (38 I think) and I get nothing. As for Adelphia, don't hold your breath. They are just starting with there HDTV in LA but very slow. Adelphia knows that they will have to bring us HD soon so lets hope they get there act together soon.
post #163 of 6985
Quote:


Originally posted by PVRick
Has there been a peep out of Our Favorite Cable Company (Adelphia) regarding HDTV carriage? Other than to say they plan to do it some day?

Nope
post #164 of 6985
The other night I was scanning the channels and got a weak lock on channel D55, the signals was under 10% and intermittant. The only guess I could take was WENY from Elmira NY/Corning NY/Ithaca NY.

Did anyone else find D55?
post #165 of 6985
Nothing here with my sir-t165 Samsung.
post #166 of 6985
?maybe rochester's abc?
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post #167 of 6985
UP and running in Orchard Park!

I got a Samsung SIR-T151 receiver on Friday, and was able to hook it up to my SONY XBR 800 using a wire loop antenna.Channels 2 and 4 come in fine, channel 17 is a little weak. I have cahanged to a set top antenna and now get all three stations fine.

I just wish that there was more HDTV available. One thing that has struck me - I'm not sure how much the increased resolution helps the picture and how much just having a digital picture helps the resolutuion. The local news looks much better on the digital stations, but I'm quite sure that the locals are not sourcing the broadcasts in HDTV. The digital broadcasts make a big improvement in and of themselves.
post #168 of 6985
Welcome to the club Orchard Park!

As to your question, it's a little bit of each that helps. The local news is upscaled studio caremas, possibly even HD cameras. If you want a sample of just digital SD quality, tune into 38-3 WNLO-SD or 17-2 WNED-SD and you'll see some regular NTSC digitized.
post #169 of 6985
I know Ch 4's studios are digital. I believe the news studio cameras are HD and they run 4x3 a.r.. Ch 17 has HD production facilities but I don't remember seeing them used for anything on air (the "Churches" production was taped in HD but haven't seen aired as such).

Recent survey (early in the month): of Sears, Best Buy, Circuit City, Stereo Advantage, and Wal-Mart, who had a 1080i off-air picture setup and playing?

Wal-Mart, Hamburg.

The other guys show a DVD on the digital sets. Most frequent excuse: can't put up an antenna. Baloney, most have a dish setup.

The Panny at Wal-Mart was in serious need of convergence, they must've plugged it in right out of the box, and it was overdriven terribly, but even as a RPTV it blew away the bigger direct-view NTSC sets near it. It was on the Dish-HD demo channel.

Sometimes the "SD" channels (WNLO 38-3 and WNED "17"-2) show a pronounced flicker effect, you almost see the individual frames. It is very annoying and I can't watch it for any length of time. Is this an artifact of the line doubling in my PC's HiDTV card or do you see it too? With an analog tv right next to the digital tuned to the corresponding channels the effect is very obvious and the analog picture easy to watch.

If you see it too I don't predict SD digital channels chasing the analog away. Could be a disappointment for Ch 17 with their plans to split the bandwidth 4 ways.

The digital picture is so much better looking than the analog even at SD mainly due to lack of noise esp. color noise. I see colors (esp. reds) on the digital picture you just never see in NTSC. Hence my complaint about demo-ing digital from DVD, which is an mpeg-encoded NTSC signal (better than you could get over the air, but still ...)

With 1080i at Wal Mart (at under $1300) can mass acceptance be far behind?
post #170 of 6985
July 1 is when more HD is supposed (believe it when I see it) show up as that is when ABC/WKBW is supposed to go live.
post #171 of 6985
Thanks for the info, PVRick.

I would guess that Channel 2's news studio is also HDTV, given the difference in quality I saw in thier broadcast too. You're right, WNLO and 17-2 are really little improved from my cable feed.

I did not see the flickering on the SD stations at the moment on my TV set - could this be something to do with the PC card or a PC issue? Do you see it all the time?

I think the biggest problem at the stores is that the sales people don't know how to set up and best display the equipment they are running (see thread about teaching sales people about the products they are selling). This is not every case, but a lot of them.

Personally, I question how much "public acceptance" will drive this process. A lot of people still watch small TV's, where the difference is not too great. And a lot of people don't really care about the improved picture quality. Then, there are a bunch of people who will be happy to have the improved quality, but have no interest in paying much for it and will wait for prices to come down.
post #172 of 6985
Quote:


Originally posted by theedge
July 1 is when more HD is supposed (believe it when I see it) show up as that is when ABC/WKBW is supposed to go live.

I have seen nothing on the WKBW website about this, and things seem too quiet. You just get the feeling that it will not happen on July 1 . . .
post #173 of 6985
I hear ya J in OP I have e-mailed them numerous times and have never gotten a reply back once yet everytime I e-mailed channel 2 or 4 they always promptly replied.
post #174 of 6985
Just checked out Antenna Web and WKBW has pushed their live date back again until Oct. 1 2003
post #175 of 6985
Thanks, BLT.

iwish I could say I was surprised. It's still disapointing, though.
post #176 of 6985
When does Football season start?! Will they make it for MNF HD premier! Jeeze..
post #177 of 6985
Quote:


Originally posted by theedge
When does Football season start?! Will they make it for MNF HD premier! Jeeze..

Of course not...

Season starts September 4th, but I was hoping that some of the preseason MNF telecasts would be HD as well, and those start in late July/early August
post #178 of 6985
Seems like WGRZ won't turn on the digital channel for Wimbledon, not that it's an important tennis event or anything.

I emailed them at programming@wgrz.com to ask them to turn on the channel.
post #179 of 6985
Quote:


Originally posted by kdrabik
Of course not...

Season starts September 4th, but I was hoping that some of the preseason MNF telecasts would be HD as well, and those start in late July/early August

Are the MNF games going to be broadcast in HDTV? I have not been able to confirm this anywhere.

Also, WGRZ was carrying Wimbldon on its DTV station over the weekend. The broadcast of the matches did not look like they were using HDTV cameras, though.
post #180 of 6985
The MNF Games will be broadcast in glorious HD via the new Toronto One station. It signs on Sept. 19. It will broadcast its HD channel on UHF 66 and will be full power from day one. I dont know what ERP they are licensed for. I wouldnt count on WKBW-DT (ABC) going to air anytime soon.
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