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post #6391 of 7283
BillFromGI;
Where on the island are you? Has to be the west side.
I'm just amazed with that megawatt antenna farm on the NE corner that even w/o an amp, let alone a preamp you aren't buried with overload. Your 4 bay has a reflector doesn't it?

For my location, CFMT 47 is the weakest by far, then CITY 44.
post #6392 of 7283
On a separate subject, regarding the much talked about conflict between WPXJ & CJMT also applies in reverse. Two of my tuners won't recognize CJMT with WPXJ recognized first. This has applied with the conflict between WNLO & WPXJ. You can also add WKBW & WBBZ to the list.

The virtual number of one station and the physical number of another play havoc with the logic of the tuners firmware. You can thank the NAB & the FCC for that one (and Industry Canada for our neighbors up north).
post #6393 of 7283
Yeah, I agree, virtual channel conflicts are annoying.

I wish analog stations would've just flash cut to their old channels, like they did a lot more in Canada. From CFTO, we can learn that, if done right, VHF works fine for digital. The only station in the area that would've had to move would've been WNGS, which, considering they haven't used their channel number on air in years, wouldn't have been an issue. Even if 2 and 4 didn't want to be on VHF-lo, they could've still branded as 2 and 4, based on cable, sat, and fios. It wouldn't be too hard to remember that 33 = 2 and 39 = 4. Any OTA user could've gotten used to that, no major inconvenience.
post #6394 of 7283
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It wouldn't be too hard to remember that 33 = 2 and 39 = 4. Any OTA user could've gotten used to that, no major inconvenience.

Anyone with a half a brain in their head could remember 33, 39 & 38 (yes, in that order) after getting use to it.
Funny, they can change call letters left and right, but a simple number? There is enough confusion and misunderstanding without added more.
post #6395 of 7283
Hey Bruce, can you post which Canadian stations you can currently receive fairly reliably from your location??
post #6396 of 7283
All but CITY & CFMT. I have the reverse conflict you guys are having between WPXJ & CJMT so some tuners can't 'see' CJMT after they 'see' WPXJ as I already posted, so no CJMT. No real loss AFAIC. CFMT & CITY are the weakest by far. I did loose CHCH yesterday morning to my surprise. Evening was just the opposite. CKCO & TVO28 (don't know the call off hand) appeared.
I'm working on SA screen shots.

Real nice surprise about CICA & to a lessor extent CIII with their HD content.
As I stated, I didn't expect any HD from CICA with budgets limitations.
post #6397 of 7283
Unfortunately, most don't understand these limited, so called signal meters on consumer tuners (DVR's & TV's). Some apparently show what satellite receivers show: signal level and signal quality. Others just show a bar graph like a cellular phone.

Problem is scales of 0 to 100 and/or poor, fair, good is mostly useless. Even one I have seen seems to always shoe very high numbers when indeed the signal is only average. Most seem to drop off when the number is between 60 & 70. A strong local signal is 95 a medium signal is 85 or 90 and a weak signal is 75 or 80. One would assume you had plenty of overhead, but you don't.

One bad reception day, what you thought was solid, isn't. The station is gone. The opposite for 'good' days where more distant stations appear. Though only for a few hours.

I have sat and watched signal levels vary as much as 10db in an hour from just 60 miles away.
post #6398 of 7283
Bruce, have you tried going the scan without your filters and amp (if you remember my setup)? I know you have a bigger splitter setup so it may be necessary, but I think I've lost City (44) only once since the transition and that was only this morning and I think it was because it was so damn windy (I even had locals like 2, 4, and 7 flickering in and out from the backside, which almost never happens).
post #6399 of 7283
Remember CITY and the 2 OMNI's are moving to the CN Tower in October, much higher up and slightly higher ERP's too.
post #6400 of 7283
bowenap,

I can't 43's trap due to it overloading the amp. If I remove everything, the number of 'taps' I have would kill the signal all together.
I already tried it among most everything else.
post #6401 of 7283
New Cable Guy;

The two Omni's I'm not worried since the majority is foreign programming, but I will keep my fingers crossed with CITY (big time).
I believe if CITY was using 42 instead of 44, the problem wouldn't be there since the 'pilot' would be 6 MHz away from WNED's RF envelope (haystack), not right next to it as it is now.

A ATSC channel, unlike QAM has a additional 'signal' at the beginning of the carrier and since 44 is above 43's carrier, that pilot gets 'swamped' by WNED signal which I beleive is the reason I can almost never receive channel 44, before and after the transition unless it is of sufficient strength. 95% of the time it is not.
Someone 10 miles further south or further east can reject the G.I. trio by aiming their antenna away, gets the problem solved.

Is it because 'space' (both antenna loading and actual room for equipment) is available with all the analog shutdown that those two stations are moving to the far more expensive CN Tower from FCP??

My original claim of not having to reposition the antenna for CHCH away from Toronto is apparently wrong as I am on the 'cliff' if I don't. I think I found a 'sweet spot' for all but the two Omni's (which isn't any issue).
post #6402 of 7283
Anyone know if CFTO is still providing Rovi's data for TVGOS since they went digital??
post #6403 of 7283
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Anyone know if CFTO is still providing Rovi's data for TVGOS since they went digital??

Yes. I got data on 9/1 and CFTO had TVGOS. (For that matter, so did CFTO-54 and CKVR.)

- Trip
post #6404 of 7283
You get data from Toronto in Virginia??
post #6405 of 7283
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

You get data from Toronto in Virginia??

When people send it to me.

- Trip
post #6406 of 7283
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

BillFromGI;
Where on the island are you? Has to be the west side.
I'm just amazed with that megawatt antenna farm on the NE corner that even w/o an amp, let alone a preamp you aren't buried with overload. Your 4 bay has a reflector doesn't it?

For my location, CFMT 47 is the weakest by far, then CITY 44.

Bruce, I'm pretty much in the middle of the island, just east of the 190. The 4-bay has a reflector. The 17/23/29 antenna 'farm' is located a little over to 2 miles to my east.. .
post #6407 of 7283
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

After laughing and shaking my head, I'm not sure just how to respond to that beyond belief statement.
Whats worse, the 1st part or the second.

You need to go to RF school 101. Reception is only as good as your antenna and location. Do yourself a favor, look up the term "cliff effect".

for videobruce. Hope I got this right as I am a newcomer (senior citizen) to this type of forum. I need advice re my antenna that was once getting analog channel 5 (cblt) and
cannot get the new hd signal. Can get channel 9 (cfto) but nothing on 5. Am using a
35 yr old rooftop antenna. Will a new antenna help? I hope I can find your reply on this string. art clarence n y
post #6408 of 7283
If you were getting analog cbc on 5 (vhf band) and current digital ctv 9 (vhf band) but can not get cbc now it sounds like you have a vhf antenna. Cbc is broadcasting in HD on digital channel 20 which is UHF band shows has 5-1 on you tv set. Get yourself a new good uhf antenna and from the looks of your previous history with cbc you should not have a problem get the digital signal.
post #6409 of 7283
Or.. . maybe Art's setup uses 300 ohm feed line. By the time that UHF signal makes it to the TV there isn't anything left of it.
post #6410 of 7283
hey bill i saw you post on anothe forum about wkbw news in hd it start about 2-3 weeks ago. Guess they have to do something to get ratings
post #6411 of 7283
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Originally Posted by FUCCO View Post

hey bill i saw you post on anothe forum about wkbw news in hd it start about 2-3 weeks ago. Guess they have to do something to get ratings

Fucco, I'm speechless it started that long ago and I did not notice... On another note, their newscast looked crisp and clean. I hope they keep it up..
post #6412 of 7283
BillFromGI; Other than being off to the side and possibly under the 'umbrella' of the RF from that farm, I'm still blown away you can run any kind of amp. Though when WNED was on Elmwood Ave., I had less of a problem than where they are now.
I will also add you may be under the umbrella pattern of their signals being that close.
post #6413 of 7283
For the members up north, didn't CKXT go dark completely? Someone posted in the Toronto thread a listing for CKXT.
post #6414 of 7283
CKXT went off in Ottawa, but is still up in Toronto, Hamilton, and London until October 31.

- Trip
post #6415 of 7283
And then it's off the air for good, correct?
post #6416 of 7283
As far as I am aware, yes.

- Trip
post #6417 of 7283
Actually CKXT got permission to temporarily stay on the air on CH66 in Toronto until the end of October, when they will become cable only. I think they might have already reached a carriage arrangement with Rogers.
post #6418 of 7283
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Real nice surprise about CICA & to a lessor extent CIII with their HD content.
As I stated, I didn't expect any HD from CICA with budgets limitations.

TVO only budget limitation was for ATSC transmitters. The provincial government gave them boatloads of money to upgrade their infrastructure several years ago (maybe 2007?). They've been HD on cable in Ontario for a while now.

All the provincial parties generally love TVO. It was started by Bill Davis (Conservative) who is now looked upon as an iconic Ontario Conservative. While the Conservatives nominally hate spending money on stuff like this, to trash Davis's legacy would be about as popular as US conservatives ripping Reagan.

Don't confuse TVO with CBC. The Federal conservatives do hate everything about the CBC. But it has lots of hockey and for some people, if the government took their free hockey away from them, that would start a revolution.
post #6419 of 7283
I've noticed more 16x9 material on CICA before the switch. I had no idea they were HD on local CATV.
Thanks.
post #6420 of 7283
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

BillFromGI; Other than being off to the side and possibly under the 'umbrella' of the RF from that farm, I'm still blown away you can run any kind of amp. Though when WNED was on Elmwood Ave., I had less of a problem than where they are now.
I will also add you may be under the umbrella pattern of their signals being that close.

That a CM7777 for you. They are almost impossible to overload.. .
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