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post #6841 of 7283
No, it's not. Comedy Central has the rights to them. I find it very interesting that many shows that are cable here in the US are availabe OTA in Canada (Anger Management, the Daily Show, Colbert Report), etc.

As far as the NFL goes, you're probably right, but I saw more differing coverage on CITY at 4pm than I did on CFTO.
post #6842 of 7283
Well, technically now Buffalo is the only U.S. market that gets those shows OTA regardless of where they come from.
post #6843 of 7283
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Originally Posted by MPNASCAR24 View Post

I just read on time warner cable's website for our area they will start offering Digital Adapters around October 10th & they will be free through November 2013. After that each adapter will be $0.99 each month. The site doesn't say when they will stop using analog channels. The Easy Setup guide they posted says the digital adapters they are offering us will support HD because it can be connected to the tv with an HDMI cable or a coax cable. TW never told me they were doing this because i just read the information on tw's website for the very first time. They better tell me soon when they will stop using analog channels because my den tv doesn't have a box & i use it to watch nascar on the weekend or if my box is recording 2 shows at once.
Here is a link to the site: http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeast/support/topic.ashx/Digital+Adapters

It's looking like it's "Cut the cord" time.

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Edited by videobruce - 9/13/12 at 8:22am
post #6844 of 7283
Quote:
Time Warner Cable will deliver several analog channels in a digital format only. If you have a cable line that runs directly from the wall into your TV set (or VCR, DVD player, etc.), you will lose picture on these channels, and we want to make sure this doesn't happen.
That's nice of them.
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You will not be able to program your VCR/DVD player to record different channels at different times when your TV is connected to a Digital Adapter. To record different programs at different times, you will have to change the channel on your Digital Adapter.
Yep, back to the future: 1978. mad.gif
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Question:
What if I don't do anything?
Answer:
Any TV connected directly to Time Warner Cable service without a set-top box will eventually lose picture on channels that are being delivered in digital format only.

According to the TWC CSR I spoke to;

In the WNY "divisions" (Buffalo & Rochester), this will be in stages. Only three analog channels will be affected. CMT being the only one that anyone would care about. (C-Span & some holy roller channel being the others)
There is no limit to the number of "DTA's" you can have.
The "rental fee" will not go into effect until 2015.
By 2015 all analog will go away.
Both outputs are not active at the same time.
Apparently, as programming contracts expire and get renewed, additional analog channels will get dropped.

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Edited by videobruce - 9/13/12 at 8:17am
post #6845 of 7283
I hadn't done too much channel scanning in a while until recently since the CTV Two stations went on the air. Granted, it's a Tropo time of year, but I'm pretty sure I've got CKCO 13-1 out of Kitchener more often than I've got CHCJ 35-1 out of Hamilton. It's a shame London, Ontario isn't closer. CFPL 10-1, which I've also been getting when Tropo is right, is CTV Two in 1080i (as opposed to 720p).
post #6846 of 7283
Quote:
Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

According to the TWC CSR I spoke to;
In the WNY "divisions" (Buffalo & Rochester), this will be in stages. Only three analog channels will be affected. CMT being the only one that anyone would care about. (C-Span & some holy roller channel being the others)
There is no limit to the number of "DTA's" you can have.
The "rental fee" will not go into effect until 2015.
By 2015 all analog will go away.
Both outputs are not active at the same time.
Apparently, as programming contracts expire and get renewed, additional analog channels will get dropped.

I got a letter from TW a couple of days after my last post that says the same information. It says the first set of analog channels they will remove are CMT, C-SPAN, EWTN, Golf Channel & Lifetime Movie Network. In the Rochester Division they're supposed to be removed on October 10th. In Buffalo the date is October 17th.
post #6847 of 7283
Didn't see/hear anything about Lifetime.

This Cisco DTA 170HD (Digital Transport Adapter) details are here;
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/video/ps8611/ps8612/ps10771/7023333_a.pdf
post #6848 of 7283
Quote:
Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Didn't see/hear anything about Lifetime.
This Cisco DTA 170HD (Digital Transport Adapter) details are here;
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/video/ps8611/ps8612/ps10771/7023333_a.pdf

The Letter i got from TW had Lifetime Movie Network listed as one of the analog channels they will remove on October 10.
post #6849 of 7283
I bet it will change in another month. wink.gif
Anyway, SDV isn't necessary, neither is encrypting all levels of programming. Base/basic program levels should not have to be encrypted since the same analog were not and never were. mad.gif
The quality level is about the same Crap!
Noise from all the digital carriers and other assorted interference with analog, or excessive smear (rolloff) from the extreme level of compression (like satellite) for digital, surely nothing worth "stealing".

Thanks to holl_ands for this user guide for these striped down el-cheapo tuners from Cisco;
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/video/at_home/Set-Tops/DTA/4043356_A.pdf

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Edited by videobruce - 9/16/12 at 6:05am
post #6850 of 7283
DTA's are not 2-way devices and don't use SDV to work, they are just tuners, and very basic in their operation, no IPG, etc.
post #6851 of 7283
MPNASCAR24;
Lifetime Movie Network is only a digital service. Lifetime TV is analog in Buffalo and the suburbs. wink.gif
post #6852 of 7283
Quote:
Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

MPNASCAR24;
Lifetime Movie Network is only a digital service. Lifetime TV is analog in Buffalo and the suburbs. wink.gif

In Batavia & Rochester Lifetime & Lifetime Movie Network is available as an analog channel. This article i found on stop the cap says what channels in Buffalo, Rochester & Syracuse will go digital format only on October 10.

http://stopthecap.com/2012/09/12/time-warner-cable-begins-digital-cable-conversion-in-upstate-new-york/
post #6853 of 7283
CKVP is now broadcasting on 42-1 (instead of 42-2) and has gone from 720p to 1080i.
post #6854 of 7283
All they did was to correct their PSIP data to ID the channel as the main channel instead of a sub channel. Can't only broadcast a sub channel as far as I know, the full RF carrier has to be there.
Interesting they switched to 1080i.
post #6855 of 7283
Supposedly the Hamilton repeater did as well, but I haven't seen it yet since I can barely get it. On Tropo nights, when I can get the stations from London and Kitchener, CFPL is also a CTV Two affiliate, and it broadcasts in 1080i as well.
post #6856 of 7283
i am still gettin citv2 on 42-2. The signal is booming in at 90% stregnth on my system
post #6857 of 7283
Well, the beginning of the end started in WNY. TWC's phasing out of analog began and I already started hearing all about the problems.

1. Not enough DTA's. Customers requesting numerous devices can't even get one,
2. A high percentage of the existing DTA's don't work,
3. Numerous missed appointments for dropping off these DTA's to customers.

But, they will make it work no matter how many customers they will loose. wink.gif
post #6858 of 7283
wnyo having ota trouble? Starting last weekend we have big trouble gettng it. 2/4/7/51 all ok here - that's what we usually get from the west.
post #6859 of 7283
In case you haven't heard, Rovi has announced on October 31st that starting November 1st, they will be starting to discontinue TVGOS for any devices that utilize it for a On Screen Guide. The greatest affected unit is Sony's DVR and to a lesser extent the older CM 7000 DVR, though that can operate with just PSIP data from individual stations and/or just old school VCR manual recording.

If that isn't enough, after talking with WNED's engineering department, he confirmed it was a done deal.
A e-mail from PBS was received last Wednesday telling affiliates to pull Rovi's equipment ASAP and send it to them. The email from PBS was dated October 31st.

They have already pulled the equipment and sent it back to Rovi last Friday.


Question is; is CFTO still supplying data via ATSC as they did withe their analog station?? I think so since I have listings for the full week except for many CATV networks that aren't available in Canada.
post #6860 of 7283
That possibly answers why my DTVPAL DVR is suddenly rebooting all the time. I may need to bite the bullet and get a TIVO.
post #6861 of 7283
That shouldn't really cause that. How many of your stations you watch only had PSIP data?
I don't have one anymore, but when I did, around 1/3 of the stations had no Rovi (TVGOS) data, only the mostly useless (especially in this market) PSIP.

Have you done a full reset?
post #6862 of 7283
Given the complete mess DST causes this unit, it wouldn't surprise me that the sudden removal of TVGOS data screws this box up as well.
I ran the install wizard which isn't a full reset to factory defaults but does wipe out timer info and resets the channels so they all get scanned in again.
I also disabled the TVGOS in the EPG.

It didn't work - unit just rebooted as I was typing this.

I'll pull it out, clean it up, and do a factory defaults reset.
post #6863 of 7283
FWIW; CFTO (CTV) is still providing TVGOS data. Nothing has been announced otherwise that I could find so far.

Not all US cable TV networks are in their lineup. Ion TV & MyTV have no data, nor does their CIII (Global TV). confused.gif
post #6864 of 7283
I did a factory default reset and it appears to have fixed the reboot problem. I get CTV but the TVGOS logo has yet to appear following the factory reset although I've heard it takes up to 1 day for the device to recognize it.
post #6865 of 7283
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

FWIW; CFTO (CTV) is still providing TVGOS data. Nothing has been announced otherwise that I could find so far.

Are you sure? Not showing up for me.
post #6866 of 7283
This is on a Sony DVR, not the CM. I don't know how or if it would work with a Canadian station with that since you can't enter Canadian postal codes like you can with the Sony. The data is the same format, just a different channel number. Ask it in the 7000 thread.
post #6867 of 7283
I changed the zip code to a Niagara Falls zip last night. We'll see what happens.
post #6868 of 7283
I doubt it will make any difference. It's the same DMA, same OTA stations available. You still have PSIP data available except those stations that don't supply it. But, AFAIC, it's worthless. By brother in law has one, if I remember, I will ask him how his is doing.

Use TitanTV or Zap2IT for program listings.
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Edited by videobruce - 11/13/12 at 4:11am
post #6869 of 7283
So far - no TVGOS with the new zip.
On a factory reset - it doesn't recognize the TVGOS data is available even though CTV reception is perfect.
Following the reset, it does a channel scan.
Then it sets the time. At this point it normally says time received from TVGOS and then greys it out so the user cannot change it.
Now it gets its time from who knows where and allows user adjustment. After setting the time - it asks for a zip code so as you indicated - the zip likely has nothing to do with acquiring TVGOS data.

I use TitanTV - it is pretty accurate.
No TVGOS means my clock will be off (presenly slow by about 1 minute)mad.gif
I've also noticed the PSIP data is wrong many times. It has the show title correct, but the show informaion is wrong - describes a previous or in yesterday's case a future episode - not the one that aired.

Sorry to say a TIVO may be in my future. They used to give discounts once in a while for the lifetime subscription but I haven't seen that lately. I'd do it for $500 total cost (unit + subscription). Anything more hurts too much. Right now I'm looking at around $750 eek.gif I have to decide how much less aggravation is worth in dollars.wink.gif
Edited by 1HD_addict - 11/13/12 at 9:31am
post #6870 of 7283
PSIP data is solely the stations doing. Bitch at anyone that is lacking, which are most.
Interesting that there is good data available and it ignores it, solely because it is another market.
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