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post #6931 of 7278
FWIW;

Current, 'in the clear' local OTA stations simulcasted on TWC are on the following physical channels. (This does not include duplicated SD simulcasts.).;

68: WBBZ,
69: WNLO & WPXJ,
94: WNED Think Bright,
106: WUTV & WNYO,
107: CFTO & CBLT width compressed for 4x3,
113: WNED & WKBW,
115: WGRZ & WIVB.

QAM physical channels below 64 are (in frequency order);
99, 14, 17, 13.
12 & 52 are empty for now.

Above 64 all are QAM except 70 (at least in the city)
post #6932 of 7278
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

More bandwidth, no analog, brand new technology. Of course i will (should) be better.
Ads?? What and where?
You list Buffalo as your location, there is no FiOS in the city of Buffalo. Which suburb are you in?

Sorry, My location is really Amherst, but if I list that, people assume I am in Massachusetts.

The ads that annoy me are the ones they run when you bring up the menu up for the first time on Friday (usually). The box hangs for 10-15 seconds while it is retrieving a PPV or Quantum ad.
post #6933 of 7278
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

Thanks for your response. I'll be checking into offers next month.

Regarding Picture Quality: Really?? Where are you located (your comments about "channel unavailable" on TW point to node problems in your neighborhood)?

The thing that most people do not realize is that as soon as that fiber enters the house it is converted into RF video - no different than ordinary cable. The modulation scheme is QAM and the QAM specs are IDENTICAL to that used by TW and other cable systems. From a practical standpoint, the number of HD signals per QAM is independent of the feed to the house (hybrid cable or fiber).

That being said, the decision on how to pack those QAMs is up to the video distribution company (though there are some FCC restrictions on degrading quality of OTA stations). It could well be that Verizon has made the decision to NOT put 3 channels on a QAM (2 HD channels on a QAM fit with no added degradation of signal).

Another issue is that apparently Verizon has been backing off in their support of FiOS (the cell phone business is more attractive).

I'm located in Amherst.

Picture Quality?? Yes really. I talking about compression, not modulation. It appears to me that TW re-encodes the MPEG stream to use a lower bit-rate so that it can cram more video streams into an RF channel. Try watching a football game when there is lots of movement on the screen. Pixelation to me appears far worse on TW versus OTA or FiOS.

I dropped TW about 3 years ago before switching to FiOS. I don''t know about any specific node problems in my neighborhood, but I saw the "channel not available" message often enough on TW. It's a byproduct of SDV. If you don't have the bandwidth to carry all the channels all the time, then I would expect contention for the available bandwidth and therefore "channel unavailable" messages.

I understand the RF aspects of the distribution network.. I agree with you regarding QAM modulation. But there are 2 major RF differences between the TW and FiOS networks. First,TW in Amherst uses channels 2 - ~65 for analog channels. FiOS does not. Second, the optical to RF conversion occurs in my house for FiOS, and somewhere in my town or neighborhood for TW (not sure exactly where). The shorter RF path length allows the use of higher carrier frequencies (more RF channels) and hence more RF bandwidth. When I had TW, the technician at my house had a hard time delivering the higher frequency carriers to my house with an adequate SNR. ( I am literally located at the end of the TW cable in my neighborhood)

Point being, FiOS has more bandwidth, more QAM signals, and therefore can deliver more "equally compressed" HD signals on the coax going to my STB than TW.

With more RF bandwidth FiOS is not under pressure to heavily comperes their signals, so I don't get the pixelation that I saw on TW, and I am able to watch any channel I want without an" unavailable message."

I have not needed to use their support, so I can't comment on that
post #6934 of 7278
anybody having issues with CTV2 42-1? I lost it on my tv tuner and my directv box. Everything else is coming in like normal. This is been a all day event. On a side note all of Erie Pa channels are blasting in. Now if I can only get CTV...
post #6935 of 7278
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Sorry, My location is really Amherst, but if I list that, people assume I am in Massachusetts.
Not if you list is as Amherst NY. wink.gif
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The ads that annoy me are the ones they run when you bring up the menu up for the first time on Friday (usually). The box hangs for 10-15 seconds while it is retrieving a PPV or Quantum ad.
When did they start doing this?? confused.gif What? Do they think they are TiVo?
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It appears to me that TW re-encodes the MPEG stream to use a lower bit-rate so that it can cram more video streams into an RF channel.
All MSO's do that. How do you think they can get so many stations on one QAM carrier?? The least number of services on a single QAM carrier is three. And that is only for their premium services (HBO, Showtime etc.)
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Pixelation to me appears far worse on TW versus OTA or FiOS.
Well known.
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FiOS has more bandwidth
It's also a brand new system, not some hybrid mess from the 70's. wink.gif
post #6936 of 7278
Adding to the above list, here are TWC 'in the clear' CATV services physical channel numbers);

13.3 Public Access
13.4 Public Access
13.5 WNED Think Bright
13.6 Public Access
13.7 Discovery
14.6 NY State Legislature
14.8 HSN
14.10 QVC
99.7 YNN
116.1 Country Network
116.2 ESPN U

added physical ch.116
Edited by videobruce - 4/22/13 at 11:18am
post #6937 of 7278
I ran a clear QAM channel scan and got ESPNU on Channel 117 or something like that as well. This was in Cheektowaga. I also ran a scan at my parents' in Elma and got it as well.
post #6938 of 7278
I forgot to include that, but they are on 116, not 117. 117 are all encrypted.
Every time I compared the two systems, all the in the clears were on the same physical channels in the city & the immediate suburbs.

I didn't include any duplicated SD locals in either list.
post #6939 of 7278
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

The least number of services on a single QAM carrier is three. And that is only for their premium services (HBO, Showtime etc.)
Actually, the LEAST NUMBER of HD channels on a single QAM is TWO - not three (really the MSP could put ONE on a QAM, but there would be no point to it). In Rochester (where I am now) TW only has a few QAMs with MORE THAN TWO HD channels. The norm here has been TWO.

Now the situation in Buffalo (due to TW absorbing the crappy Adelphia system) may be worse than here in Rochester. At least, TW doesn't make you sign a 2 year contract, so if I go that way, and things really are that crappy, I can make a quick switch. As FiOS does not have HD versions of some of our favorite channels (Sundance, for example) and I am extremely happy with our Multi-Room set-up (4 tuners, 1TB storage), I am inclined to go with TW.

We'll see what deals that they offer.
post #6940 of 7278
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

I forgot to include that, but they are on 116, not 117. 117 are all encrypted.
Every time I compared the two systems, all the in the clears were on the same physical channels in the city & the immediate suburbs.

I didn't include any duplicated SD locals in either list.

That doesn't surprise me. I was going off of memory. I only ran the thing from my internet modem just to see if it would work. I have DirecTV so I don't really need it. It was for pure experimentation's sake.

My Vizio TV tuner gave me white noise for essentially all the SD channels (non digital) channels and the tuner in the Samsung Plasma at my parents' house didn't even pick up the channels at all.
post #6941 of 7278
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Actually, the LEAST NUMBER of HD channels on a single QAM is TWO
I was referring to what I actually have found. wink.gif
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I only ran the thing from my internet modem just to see if it would work.
"thing", "internet modem"? Huh? confused.gif
What thing and how does a Internet modem enter into this? You lost me.
post #6942 of 7278
I have Time Warner for internet only, so I ran the cable into my splitter and attached one end into my modem and the other into my television so as to not lose internet access (I needed to do something else online simultaneously). The purpose was simply to check to see if I would get any channels, or if TWC had filtered the line (I have read that cable companies will do that if they find out you are using even Clear QAM without ordering the TV package). Sorry, I should have been a lot clearer.
post #6943 of 7278
Any spectrum above channel either 64 or 70 should be available. So any 'in the clear' channels will be available. wink.gif
It sounded as you were using that modem some how.
post #6944 of 7278
I lost 42-1 as well on Sunday. Haven't checked today yet
post #6945 of 7278
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

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Actually, the LEAST NUMBER of HD channels on a single QAM is TWO
I was referring to what I actually have found. wink.gif
Have you found MORE THAN 3 HD channels per QAM? Please provide details. (Sure, there are 12-15 SD channels per QAM).
post #6946 of 7278
@bowenap Out of curiosity, what other channels (if any) did you get on the supposedly filtered internet only line?
post #6947 of 7278
CKVP 42.1 was off air, apparently unknown to their engineer(s) either Saturday or Sunday. They came back up a few hours later.
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Have you found MORE THAN 3 HD channels per QAM?
I will take a closer look when I have a chance.
Edited by videobruce - 4/24/13 at 9:30am
post #6948 of 7278
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Originally Posted by pr92 View Post

@bowenap Out of curiosity, what other channels (if any) did you get on the supposedly filtered internet only line?

From memory: I got WGRZ, WIVB, WKBW, WNLO, WNYO, WUTV & YNN all in HD. I also got SD versions of all of these except for YNN.

In addition, I got a couple of shopping channels in HD, some public access channels in SD, CFTO, CBLT, Antenna TV, and that Country Music WUTV subchannel in SD as well. I also got ESPNU but I think it was only in SD. At least the picture quality was crap compared to the feed on DirecTV.
post #6949 of 7278
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

I just use my Zip code. I had to add those additional stations.
I did the same for Zap2It, but there are no display options like TitanTV had enabling a full width view that provides a much better Grid. You can have more than one channel lineup.
CJMT & CKVP can not be added as they do not show in their data base.

For convenience, here is the login page (after you register and setup your channel lineup);
http://www.titantv.com/account/login.aspx?returnUrl=%2fdefault.aspx


Here is their channel editor. Note the green entries which were added;



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Originally Posted by bowenap View Post

Bruce, I just got around the CKVP problem on Titan TV. Since CKVP is a repeater of of CKVR in Barrie, ON, the guide data for CKVR will be the same for CKVP, so I "added" CKVR, and changed it from Channel 3.1 to channel 42.1. It's not perfect, but it might be a suitable workaround for now.

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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Excellent solution. Yes, it does work. I didn't think of their sister station. smile.gif

Reviving an old conversation, I recently "upgraded" to an HD Homerun Tuner, and run Windows Media Center from my laptop with an XBox360 as an extender. I had some problems with guide data namely for CKVP and CIII since WMC used Zap2it and I couldn't integrate the TitanTV solution we discovered. However, I found this workaround that was geared towards people in Canada, but works just the same way in the US. By using either Bell TV East or Rogers (Toronto), I am able to get load the guide data for Global and by choosing either "CTV Two Barrie" or "CTV Two Toronto" for CKVP (and CHCJ if you can get it). I find it pretty slick. I know at least one other poster in Buffalo uses Windows Media Center so I thought I'd share it.
post #6950 of 7278
Excellent find and link. Thanks.

It's too bad Western New Yorkers have little or no clue what is available to many of them just across our border. Just the opposite compared to Canadians who know very well what is across their border. wink.gif
post #6951 of 7278
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Originally Posted by bowenap View Post



Reviving an old conversation, I recently "upgraded" to an HD Homerun Tuner, and run Windows Media Center from my laptop with an XBox360 as an extender. I had some problems with guide data namely for CKVP and CIII since WMC used Zap2it and I couldn't integrate the TitanTV solution we discovered. However, I found this workaround that was geared towards people in Canada, but works just the same way in the US. By using either Bell TV East or Rogers (Toronto), I am able to get load the guide data for Global and by choosing either "CTV Two Barrie" or "CTV Two Toronto" for CKVP (and CHCJ if you can get it). I find it pretty slick. I know at least one other poster in Buffalo uses Windows Media Center so I thought I'd share it.

I'm going to try this too. I use HDHomerun with 7MC and I too am having trouble getting data for CIII. Thanks for the idea. I cut the cord four years ago and I couldn't be happier.
post #6952 of 7278
CIII is one of the strongest signals out of Toronto.
post #6953 of 7278
I pull it in just fine, but I don't get any guide data for the channel in Media Center. I changed my zip to Youngstown and got all Canadian and WNY guide data except for CIII even though Zap2It lists data for the channel. I used the workaround above to load data for my Rochester Stations. Here on the west end of Batavia I receive CTV, CBC, TVO, Omni1, Omni2, CItytv, and Global. Antennas are 30ft up. With Rochester, Buffalo, and Toronto I receive 22 channels not including sub-channels. CHEX (CBC) out of Peterborough is due to transition tomorrow so I'm interested to see if I can receive it. 20 miles farther away than Toronto and lower tower height so I'll see what happens.
post #6954 of 7278
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Originally Posted by SCHNEEDOO View Post

I pull it in just fine, but I don't get any guide data for the channel in Media Center. I changed my zip to Youngstown and got all Canadian and WNY guide data except for CIII even though Zap2It lists data for the channel. I used the workaround above to load data for my Rochester Stations. Here on the west end of Batavia I receive CTV, CBC, TVO, Omni1, Omni2, CItytv, and Global. Antennas are 30ft up. With Rochester, Buffalo, and Toronto I receive 22 channels not including sub-channels. CHEX (CBC) out of Peterborough is due to transition tomorrow so I'm interested to see if I can receive it. 20 miles farther away than Toronto and lower tower height so I'll see what happens.

Really...

That will be interesting. Supposedly they air the alternate NHL playoff games for CBC when there is an overlap.
post #6955 of 7278
A chance at more OTA Sabres games is my hope. HDHomerun is showing a signal strength of 70+ for the analog channel. Hopefully I can lock it with one of my antennas. Looks like CHEX is on hold. I saw remotecentral had it listed for transition, but after checking digitalhome.ca I see its on hold. I'll keep watching for it to switch.
Edited by SCHNEEDOO - 5/8/13 at 12:48pm
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post #6957 of 7278
bowenap;
Impressive message from CHEX. Nice to see something like that and the note at the bottom of that page. smile.gif

SCHNEEDOO;
Looks as you are in a primo reception area. I assume you get the Rochester stations?
post #6958 of 7278
Yeah, transparency like that is always nice. I have a feeling us folks in Buffalo are going to get this on high tropo/ducting times only. The tower is 90+ miles away. Plus with my setup (4228 with no amps at all), VHF is always a crapshoot anyway. It still will be fun to try. I did get a whiff of the analog station last night, but that was with the antenna pointed straight at Toronto. I never turned the antenna towards Peterborough because the Leafs-Bruins game on CBLT was too intriguing.

What will be interesting is if the CHEX repeater in Oshawa, just East of Toronto (UHF 22), ever converts. I think we'd have a better shot at that one. It's not happening any time soon though.
post #6959 of 7278
SCHNEEDOO;
Looks as you are in a primo reception area. I assume you get the Rochester stations?[/quote]

I've got one antenna aimed at Toronto and another aimed south of Buffalo, DIY Gray-Hoverman's neither have reflectors. Both are hooked to a HDHomerun and I have another tuner for qam channels installed in the Media PC. I receive most of the Rochester stations, except for the two low powers, all the Buffalo stations and nearly all the Toronto area stations, except for CITS, CHCH and CTV2. G.I. probably has something to do with that. I did receive CHCH steady at night when it was on 15-1, but nothing since the transition.
post #6960 of 7278
CTV2 and CHCH are not in Toronto. wink.gif
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