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post #7051 of 7286
If the service is only analog, then they trap above 66 or so, but they placed the OTA stations in the upper 60's.
post #7052 of 7286
On a separate note, I finally ordered a DTA (Digital Tuning Adapter). I had the option of having it shipped from Liverpool. It is a "Cisco DTA 170HD" slightly smaller than the size of a HDD. There are no controls on the unit, it used a switched wall PS. Current draw is around 5 watts on or in standby (which only kills the output). The outputs are only RF and HDMI, no composite or audio. There is no guide or favorite channels either. It's really stripped down.

The remote allows programming of your TV (if it has the proper codes). There is almost no flexibility in the very limited menu. No ability to skip channels (naturally), BUT unlike their DVR's, it doesn't make you scan by a couple of hundred services you don't pay for except the 50 Music Choice channels and a dozen others. Why those are there (but grayed out) and none of the others is beyond me.
It takes around five minutes to "scan channels". You have to call to get it activated.
There is a glitch. If you toggle below their 'barker' channel (one), it takes you to four 1400 channels which don't exist. It then gives you a message that the service was interrupted which it is not. As soon as you toggle past those video returns and the message goes away.

It's free for now, but next summer (I believe) it will be a $1 a month rental.
post #7053 of 7286
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Originally Posted by pr92 View Post

I can enter channel numbers manually, yes. Doing so gets me nowhere. Pax, ynn, and hsn are in hd and sd. I have fios at home, but a friend with TWC in tonawanda is having the same issue.

Come to think of it, it must be my original theory, that the trap is blocking it. There is an analog 70 in the suburbs, and that doesn't leak through on her set. It does however on my friend's. So I'll have to see if he's getting anything still. Id think digital physical 69 may still leak through

I have to wonder why they would do this? Perhaps this is the first step in killing analog cable? Because this would only make sense if they plan to leave all lines untrapped, or are planning on putting in all new traps (but I can't see them paying for that)...or maybe they truly don't care about their customers.
I don't know if this is relevant to this particular problem but:
  • The FCC has dropped their requirement that all local channels that are on cable be "in the clear" - so it could be that these channels are now encrypted. (I'm also on FiOS so I can't check.).
  • One of the reasons that the FCC did this is to make it easier for cable companies to avoid the use of traps and to minimize theft of cable services. This had been a problem in apartment buildings in large cities.
  • Yes, TW, and most all cable companies are eliminating analog. Digital is much more efficient.
  • I had TW in Rochester before I moved here last month. TW realigned their physical channels before I moved here. They did not encrypt (at that time).
post #7054 of 7286
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

On a separate note, I finally ordered a DTA (Digital Tuning Adapter). I had the option of having it shipped from Liverpool. It is a "Cisco DTA 170HD" slightly smaller than the size of a HDD. There are no controls on the unit, it used a switched wall PS. Current draw is around 5 watts on or in standby (which only kills the output). The outputs are only RF and HDMI, no composite or audio. There is no guide or favorite channels either. It's really stripped down.

The remote allows programming of your TV (if it has the proper codes). There is almost no flexibility in the very limited menu. No ability to skip channels (naturally), BUT unlike their DVR's, it doesn't make you scan by a couple of hundred services you don't pay for except the 50 Music Choice channels and a dozen others. Why those are there (but grayed out) and none of the others is beyond me.
It takes around five minutes to "scan channels". You have to call to get it activated.
There is a glitch. If you toggle below their 'barker' channel (one), it takes you to four 1400 channels which don't exist. It then gives you a message that the service was interrupted which it is not. As soon as you toggle past those video returns and the message goes away.

It's free for now, but next summer (I believe) it will be a $1 a month rental.

I also have a Digital Tuning Adapter & it's free until Jan. 2015. Then it will be $1 a month. You should also know SDV doesn't work on DTA's so any channel that uses SDV (which is most of the Digital Cable Tier & HD Channels) won't work on it. But everything that comes with Standard Cable work on it just fine.
post #7055 of 7286
Not sure if this has any relevance at all because I have D*, but my daughter in Syracuse has TW and told me that she now only has HD.....no more SD options on her box. (Something recently changed there.)
post #7056 of 7286
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Originally Posted by philherz View Post

Not sure if this has any relevance at all because I have D*, but my daughter in Syracuse has TW and told me that she now only has HD.....no more SD options on her box. (Something recently changed there.)

In Syracuse TW launched a new channel lineup that replaces the HD Channel Numbers with Auto HD on all channels. Here is more information from TW.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/residential-home/tv/my-channels.html
post #7057 of 7286
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

I don't know if this is relevant to this particular problem but:
  • The FCC has dropped their requirement that all local channels that are on cable be "in the clear" - so it could be that these channels are now encrypted. (I'm also on FiOS so I can't check.).

Yes, I'm aware of this. it would appear that the channels are still available in the clear, just not to all subscribers. Like I said, a friend with a newer trap does get analog channel 70, my aunt does not. So I'm going to try to get in touch with him and see if he has any luck rescanning. (I haven't actually seen his TV, I just know that he said the HD channels are gone.) She had this service installed maybe ten years ago, and I know the traps used now are a little different. The basic tier is supposed to be 2-22 and 95-99. She gets 2-23, with 24 being pretty snowy and 95-99. Other (read: newer) installs I've seen have allowed 2-25 and 70-99 to pass through.

To eliminate some confusion from above, the analog channels still being used in the suburbs are 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 14, 16*, 17, and 18. (and obviously 23-70, with some exceptions)

*16 is just a blank screen, but it isn't snowy. Video is being sent.
post #7058 of 7286
She only has the basic broadcast tier?? If so, that is why she will not get any HD channel, they are all above the highest channel that is passed by that high cut trap.
post #7059 of 7286
One other 'quirk' with that DTA; it apparently doesn't play well with PC monitors with a HDMI input. Initially it was able to send 10801, but after that bogus interruption of service message (which wasn't), the box lost the 720p & 1080i options with only 480p available. Another box was tried and the same thing. Moving it to a regular 'TV' those two choices appeared again. No idea why it initially worked, then didn't. confused.gif
post #7060 of 7286
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

She only has the basic broadcast tier?? If so, that is why she will not get any HD channel, they are all above the highest channel that is passed by that high cut trap.

So then there's no way for her to get HD programming from TWC without upgrading service tiers? I refuse to accept that answer.

TWC is willing to sell Basic service with an HD box. How is that possible? If there's a trap blocking the clearqam signals, wouldn't it also block those same clearqam signals from the STB? Or is there a second set of encrypted locals? I doubt they'd just set me up with $20 basic service with no trap on the line. I'm half tempted to order it myself just to see if it works.

Unless Broadcast Basic =/= "Basic TV," the package currently advertised. They certainly have the same channels included.
post #7061 of 7286
Take a look here for the 1st group (basic/essentials). Note those few channels in the 80's & 100's would be if she had their DTA;
http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeast/support/clu/clu.ashx?downloadPdf=true&cluid=554

You have to find out exactly what tier she has. How much is her bill?
post #7062 of 7286
Those are the channels she gets. (Speaking of just analog she gets 2-23 and 99. 23 isn't included but leaks through. Everyone I've encountered with this package also gets the "free" TBS. The higher end used to include 95-99, but now those are no longer being used, save for 99.) She's had this service since the days of Adelphia. She pays roughly $16 a month.

But I'm thinking she wouldn't get the channels even with a DTA at this point. If the signals aren't there, they aren't there. No matter TV set or STB, no device can tune something from nothing.
post #7063 of 7286
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Originally Posted by pr92 View Post

Those are the channels she gets. (Speaking of just analog she gets 2-23 and 99. 23 isn't included but leaks through. Everyone I've encountered with this package also gets the "free" TBS. The higher end used to include 95-99, but now those are no longer being used, save for 99.) She's had this service since the days of Adelphia. She pays roughly $16 a month.

But I'm thinking she wouldn't get the channels even with a DTA at this point. If the signals aren't there, they aren't there. No matter TV set or STB, no device can tune something from nothing.

In my experience the traps only block analog channels. Digital Channels can still pass through the trap so basic cable customers who use a box won't have any problems with it. TW probably encrypted the clear qam channels in her area now that the fcc will let them do it.
post #7064 of 7286
Not if they are trapping range of the filter.

Cut the cord and put up an antenna. You should get more that way. wink.gif
post #7065 of 7286
If only it were that easy. It isn't my cord to cut. We're dealing with someone who doesn't have a cell phone, struggles to read her email, and is convinced a dial up connection is sufficient.

Oh well, not much more I can do at this point. I'll wait to see if my friend has any luck, and I guess I'll report back with any new developments. Beyond that, guess it's back to 480i for her, save for the oh-so-entertaining channels of YNN, WPXJ, and HSN. rolleyes.gif
post #7066 of 7286
Progress on my free antenna. I got everything cleaned up and primed and painted. Base poured and the first two sections are up. I'm not sure if I'll be using all four sections though. I don't think it's safe to have 18 feet above the last bracket. Everything I read about the Rohn 20 40ft tower says the top bracket is at 30 feet. My last bracket will be at a little over 20 feet.



post #7067 of 7286
How about guying it. Two on the roof (opposite sides) and one to the ground behind the building?
post #7068 of 7286
I thought about that. Maybe a 10-foot tall angled bracket down to the roof. I'll have to ask my wife which she would like better biggrin.gif.
post #7069 of 7286
A 10' bracket?? confused.gif I don't think so. How much space (distance) do you have behind the building for a guy wire down to the ground? Do you have or can get a ladder to reach the edge of the roof for anchors?
post #7070 of 7286
I can get on the roof no problem and I have 300+ feet of property on that side of the barn. I'm just not sure I want the guy wire out in the yard.


If I do decide to guy it in the yard, would it be OK to guy it to a post I cement in the ground? I have kids that don't look where they're running and if I could keep it off the ground 6 feet or so, it would keep them from taking their heads off running into it.
Edited by SCHNEEDOO - 8/21/13 at 9:18am
post #7071 of 7286
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If I do decide to guy it in the yard, would it be OK to guy it to a post I cement in the ground?
I don't see why not. I would also use that as a ground with a 10' grounding rod below.
post #7072 of 7286
You've got me thinking now. This free tower is going to cost me even more money now biggrin.gif.
post #7073 of 7286
After I thought about it, I kinda forgot, you already have a ground path to graound level all you need is a 8' copper ground rod and a few clamps with a short six gauge or better ground wire jumper.

For guy rope for this type of install (majority of the tower will be supported by the structure, not free standing), you can't beat this;
http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/syn-dbr-187-100

UV proof. I have had mine up for probably close to 20 years without anything close to a failure.

(Hardly any real expenditure for a tower wink.gif )
post #7074 of 7286
Good Morning,

I have not posted here in a while but my wife and I are planning on ditching cable and using my old desktop as a dvr to stream Netflix and Hulu as well as receive OTA. I live in Kenmore and I am planning on putting an Antenna in our attic. Can some suggest a good antenna and an amplifier I can use? I am hoping to get CBC but I know it will be difficult and won't be a deal breaker.

Thanks!
post #7075 of 7286
i have the original db8 antenna it goes for about $60. I recently tried the new db8 and is sucked. I also have a channel master pre amp due to the long cable I am running. I am in a horrible low elevation area in Cheektowaga and I have no problem grabing CBC. Just make sure your antenna is on the roof.
post #7076 of 7286
I also have two decently size trees in my backyard which is in the direct line to Toronto, I am wondering if it is worth it, I do not wanna purchase an antenna and not have it work.
post #7077 of 7286
The only way to know if it will work or not is the get one and try it out. It's all about location. If you are in the northtowns, and want the Canadian stations, you might be able to get away with an antenna in the attic. In the city or in the southtowns, however, it almost definitely has to be on the roof unless you are on some very high elevation or a very high apartment building. As far as which antenna to get, I have heard good things about the DB8 but it's UHF only. You could try the CM4228HD as well. It's a little more expensive, and inferior to its predecessor, the original CM4228, but can pick up VHF channels (such as WBBZ 7 and CFTO 9) from what I've read, it still holds its own against most of its competitors.
post #7078 of 7286
I have a rooftop antenna with a straight run of coax to the TV; no splitters or joiners or anything (i've posted pictures before). I have been having issues with my LG TV picking up some of the Canadian stations, namely the OMNI networks and CITY; the "strong" ones come in fine (CBC, CFTO, Global occasionally), but the Omni and CITY will not ever show up. I was at the Lancaster hamfest and I picked up a used RCA Digital converter box and hooked that in on the same antenna, same cable, and ALL the stations come in on that with a good signal strength. So now the question. If shopping for a new TV, is there a specific tuner specification I should be looking for that defines the "strength" of the tuner (for lack of a better term)?
post #7079 of 7286
The best you can do is research various forums which TV's have the best tuners. I'm not sure there are really any published specifications out there. And even if there were, good luck getting answers from companies when you ask about them because "nobody watches TV with an antenna anymore" (yes, that is sarcasm). I can tell you this: the tuner on my Vizio works just fine. I currently use an HDHomerun (run through an XBox 360 as an extender) and I don't have too many issues with it either. The tuner on my Dynex TV upstairs, however, isn't as reliable.

Another thing to consider, though, is the fact that the weather conditions have been very ideal for good TV reception the past couple of days. When the weather settles down, you may not have as much luck.
post #7080 of 7286
This is the first time since I've gone OTA about 3 years ago that CTV has carried a different game than whatever CBS or Fox was showing during a Bills game. CITY has done it once or twice if I recall correctly, but not too often.
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