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post #841 of 1066
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These things are fungible it seems... Somehow the guy on the phone told me he had AcoustaBlanket. Then he billed me for a product with "KF" in the description, so I thought maybe I was going to end up with Sonic XP (Knauf) after all. And then the warehouse guys brings me ToughGard R. I'll take it!
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That happened to me too. I thought I found a place cheaper than General Insulation that said they had JM Linacoustic RC for $145/roll. I drove to pick it up and they loaded JM Ductliner PM and charged me $30 more than what they had quoted me over the phone. I was just happy to find someone willing to sell it to me so at that point, I grabbed it and ran. Glad you were able to find something.
Edited by Spaceman - 10/2/13 at 12:48pm
post #843 of 1066
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Somebody do me a favor and be critical of this stage design - I'm not convinced I like it. Seven inch steps to 14 inch stage, just like the riser. Screen wall basically flush with steps (I've brought out the face of the step 1" for the model to show the transition - I expect I would use bull nose and carpet in reality). 18 inch bulge for a total stage depth of 28 inches. The screen wall is 30" from the real wall - leaving 28" for for speakers and subs. You can see here 21x21x22 subs and cheap thrills - 26x17x14. The bulge of the stage is as far as I would be comfortable pushing it out into the room before it begins to encroach on the seating area (I've left at least two feet beyond reclined seats, can't remember the final number - maybe 33"?) Also, note the points marked along the bottom of the screen for 1.85 image width and the points at the soffit above the screen represent the position of the edges of the curved portion of the stage. I've deliberately left the soffit (proscenium) plain at this point, but I don't expect it to stay this way.

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What kind of look are you trying to pull off in the rest of the room? Do you have curves anywhere else? Columns? Without knowing what your grand vision is, it's hard to say. I will say the steps look a little odd, not really going anywhere.

Do you have something specific in mind for the soffit? Maybe that will guide what you do with the stage.
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What kind of look are you trying to pull off in the rest of the room?
This is complicated - and something I am struggling with. I don't have the skills for a lot of details, but I want to create a steam-punk inspired look. Normally, that would mean a lot of fine details. My designs of other sorts and general taste would generally tend toward cleaner sleeker designs - not modern, but less cluttered. Anyway, I'm trying to get steam-punk design cues and feeling into the space without making it impossible to design and construct. The lighting is the clearest place this will be manifest, in either black iron or copper fixtures with Edison bulbs and non-traditional lamp arrangements. The most dominant visual piece of the room will be the walls (not the screen wall) which will be covered in wood; I haven't selected it yet, so there is some room to negotiate on the details of the look, but the best representation I can give you is a picture I posted earlier of my sister's dining room wall (ignore the light, though it's pretty cool, IMO).

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Do you have curves anywhere else? Columns?
No columns at all, and the only other curve is inset in the soffit over the entry.

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Do you have something specific in mind for the soffit? Maybe that will guide what you do with the stage.
I had planned to go about that the other way around.... let the soffit mirror or compliment the stage. rolleyes.gif

Now that I've let the design sit for a minute, when I look at it I'm not happy with it. I'm going to scrap it and try again - not that I won't come back to it or tweak it. I need to start fresh. I appreciate the questions - they're getting me thinking about it differently, so hopefully that leads to good results.
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This is complicated - and something I am struggling with. I don't have the skills for a lot of details, but I want to create a steam-punk inspired look. Normally, that would mean a lot of fine details. My designs of other sorts and general taste would generally tend toward cleaner sleeker designs - not modern, but less cluttered. Anyway, I'm trying to get steam-punk design cues and feeling into the space without making it impossible to design and construct. The lighting is the clearest place this will be manifest, in either black iron or copper fixtures with Edison bulbs and non-traditional lamp arrangements. The most dominant visual piece of the room will be the walls (not the screen wall) which will be covered in wood; I haven't selected it yet, so there is some room to negotiate on the details of the look, but the best representation I can give you is a picture I posted earlier of my sister's dining room wall (ignore the light, though it's pretty cool, IMO).


Now that I've let the design sit for a minute, when I look at it I'm not happy with it. I'm going to scrap it and try again - not that I won't come back to it or tweak it. I need to start fresh. I appreciate the questions - they're getting me thinking about it differently, so hopefully that leads to good results.

I tend to roll that way too.........................but lean toward rustic, lodge look ie. stone, natural wood with knots.......you get the picture.

Tend to agree with Spaceman, but will add curved step looks out of place.........too much vertical displacement........................and the side steps look diminutive when compared to curved step.

I'm curious what "Steam-punk" style looks like................that's a new one to me!!!! biggrin.gif
post #847 of 1066
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Here's another take. This is more expressive and detailed, but still build-able. There's room for embellishment in this design, and I still haven't considered the soffit/proscenium in any detail.

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Lots of possibilities with a steampunk theme. It's just hard to dial it back so it's not over-done.

You could eliminate the steps and incorporate some decorative metal grates on the face of the stage


Or some expanded metal grating along the entire front of the stage (after eliminating the curve). It could sit over some "dirty" faux finish.


Or instead of wrapping the carpet down the face of the stage, you could faux-finish the face to have a metal look like this ceiling, complete with faux rivets (but without the stencil work).


I thought the faux ductwork was pretty cool in this pic. Not sure if that could be incorporated in a smaller scale on the face of the stage somehow. Maybe it elbows out of the soffit and runs down each side of the screen, disappears into the top of the stage and pops back out to run along the face of the stage.


Ignore everything in the middle of this pic, but I thought the curved floor to ceiling bracket on the left edge of the photo was neat. That might look cool coming out from the face of the false wall, "bolted" to the floor of the stage.


More cool bracket work


Bonus points if you can find somewhere in the room for this guy

Edited by Spaceman - 10/2/13 at 7:52pm
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I'm curious what "Steam-punk" style looks like................that's a new one to me!!!! biggrin.gif
Think Disney's 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea, or Will Smith's Wild Wild West.

Edit: Spaceman has provided a plethora of excellent examples.
post #850 of 1066
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Spaceman! There are some great ideas in there. Any of them could work nicely, if I can build them - which mostly, you've considered quite well. There's simple enough elements to those suggestions that they can be incorporated without a lot of expensive or tedious construction.

Any suggestions as to how you would build this? (the general curve, as in the previous image)
post #851 of 1066
MDF and some masonite? Maybe a simplified version of this.
Edited by Spaceman - 10/2/13 at 7:29pm
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Not stage related, but I thought you might enjoy Steampunk Batman, who as we all know, is "amazingly well equipped". Would make a great poster. It also matches the color scheme of the bronze and gold brackets from the earlier photo.

Edited by Spaceman - 10/3/13 at 12:29pm
post #853 of 1066
Got it!

Like the look as it's rustic.....old world charm......and sorta industrial so to speak.

If you pull it off which I have faith you will......it will be "One of a kind" theater.

Would agree, Spaceman came up with great ideas.......
post #854 of 1066
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I downloaded Sketchup 13 to get some newer functionality (bezier curves) and now Sketchup is all but useless. You would think that a 1-2 year old i5 PC could run Sketchup, but mine fails to render any graphics live. I have to minimize the window and come back to it after I delete something... deep breath...

Anyway, here's something I worked up in Sketchup 8 - the curves of each staircase different - the left side is all same-size circles, while the right is two different radii. I was looking for a more organic shape when I killed Sketchup.
post #855 of 1066
Get the comp a new graphics card? It's definitely not the CPU per se.
post #856 of 1066
A somewhat modern i5 should handle sketch up. Is it a laptop or desktop ?
post #857 of 1066
I started playing with metal grates and pipes. The stage might work by itself but the verticals and soffit treatment might be a little much. Maybe replace the vertical pipes with something like the curved bracket work we discussed earlier. It looks like your screen gets pretty close to the side walls so a thin floor-to-ceiling bracket might be all you have room for.

post #858 of 1066
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A somewhat modern i5 should handle sketch up. Is it a laptop or desktop ?
It's a desktop. Gateway DX4860 - nothing fancy.

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It looks like your screen gets pretty close to the side walls so a thin floor-to-ceiling bracket might be all you have room for.
Spaceman, this is a great start. I'm going to have to sit down with the wife and get her to talk it out with me. Thanks so much!

You're right about the screen being wide. I'm allowing for a really wide screen - about 130" horizontal in 142" wide room. I may end up masking down some, but I don't want anything wider than 6" up against the walls.
post #859 of 1066
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I started playing with metal grates and pipes. The stage might work by itself but the verticals and soffit treatment might be a little much. Maybe replace the vertical pipes with something like the curved bracket work we discussed earlier. It looks like your screen gets pretty close to the side walls so a thin floor-to-ceiling bracket might be all you have room for.


Goddamn, I want to rip that straight off! tongue.gif
post #860 of 1066
I replaced the vertical pipes with brackets similar to the earlier photo and the soffit pipes with an exposed faux-duct.


Edited by Spaceman - 10/3/13 at 2:03pm
post #861 of 1066
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^^^This one's the best yet!
post #862 of 1066
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Special Delivery!


Quick check to see that it's okay:


Home for a quick test fit:


About 15 minutes later - curing (front baffle not added yet):


I still don't have an amp for it, but I bet 150W from the Sherbourn will drive it okay. wink.gif
Today they delivered two kits - I'll get both boxes built and put one of the drivers in the kit boxes, and one in my custom boxes for comparison (after I fix the custom box). Still need some polyfill too...
post #863 of 1066
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I replaced the vertical pipes with brackets similar to the earlier photo and the soffit pipes with an exposed faux-duct.


Really awesome design, if this is your taste and the wife will go for it. Certainly one of a kind and a very cool look. Altough your stage build will now be a serious undertaking, paint will prob require your A game as well.

Spaceman certainly brings some of best/most helpful design ideas on this forum these days.
post #864 of 1066
Reminds me of BigMouthinDC's napkin designs..... biggrin.gif
post #865 of 1066
I missed out on quite a bit here, lately. Looks like you and Spaceman have a nice design going! I like it, for what it's worth. Keep in mind that some of that pipe can get expensive if you get into larger diameter stuff. The small cast iron pipe is not too bad. If you decide to go with a larger diameter, you might want to consider PVC that's painted to look like copper or iron. From memory, even that can get expensive as you move up in size.

I'm still working on my hush box design as well, so I'll keep you updated as I get some of the details ironed out. One thing I was curious about with your design, did you consider putting the intake openings on the sides, and the putting another intake a little further down in your soffit? That way you don't have an opening into your room immediately adjacent to the PJ fan?
post #866 of 1066
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Jason, you're right that this will require my A-game for workmanship. Honestly, that's one my major concerns with this whole end of the project.

I corralled the better half into a little bit of a talk about this last night - we're still coming to agreement about how we see the space, but I think we'll pare down from Spaceman's ideas. She and I are both concerned about minimizing the visual distractions near the screen. I have a feeling we'll incorporate some grating, and maybe some smaller pipe or duct elements, and leave room for some larger elements - should we decide it's too bland down the road.
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I missed out on quite a bit here, lately.
I had wondered where you were - of course I know, now. I wouldn't have been busy on the forums either. I hope you guys are getting along without too many bad feelings.
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I'm still working on my hush box design as well, so I'll keep you updated as I get some of the details ironed out. One thing I was curious about with your design, did you consider putting the intake openings on the sides, and the putting another intake a little further down in your soffit? That way you don't have an opening into your room immediately adjacent to the PJ fan?

I'm not sure I follow - you're concerned about the fan noise from the projector itself being too close to the vents of the hush box - making the hush box less effective at containing the sound? I hadn't thought about that, but it seems like a valid concern. What other intake further down in the soffit are you talking about? Maybe I'll try to get my model more-fleshed out here in a minute and we can have some visual aids...
post #867 of 1066
That's my concern exactly. If the intake is just a few inches from the fan I'm afraid you may still hear it. This may not be a concern if you plan to run on Eco mode, though. To that end, I was thinking you could use the soffit to move the intake further away from the PJ.
post #868 of 1066
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Visual aids!

I think maybe you and I are thinking of the hush box with a different spatial relationship to the soffit. (maybe?) I hope these images are self-explanatory. (click to embiggen)





Edit: Sketchup is cooperating today - maybe because the hush box file is much smaller.
Edited by HopefulFred - 10/5/13 at 4:58pm
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Yeah, I understand the setup now. Never mind my previous post.
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Jason, you're right that this will require my A-game for workmanship. Honestly, that's one my major concerns with this whole end of the project.

Yup, that's where most of my design ideas end up getting disqualified....
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