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post #31 of 64
So this projector is basically a 1 chip Lumis. Similar brightness and contrast ratio. Has anyone compared one to a Lumis?
post #32 of 64
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Originally Posted by Randall Morton View Post

So this projector is basically a 1 chip Lumis. Similar brightness and contrast ratio. Has anyone compared one to a Lumis?

I have to Lumis 3-D Solo. Due to use of single chip, it is actually a bit sharper. But also less bright. It also has a hit of strobing (rainbows) on test patterns and such.
post #33 of 64
I could have guessed it would be a bit sharper. Except for the rainbows(which you have only seen with test patterns) and brightness, are the projectors similar looking?

If you adjusted for brightness could you easily see a difference in the projectors watching movies?
post #34 of 64
Sharpness as classically defined should vary between a one chip and a thre chip, everything else held the same However, a single chip has nothing to converge while a three chipper must have two chips converged to a third. Since perfect convergence can never be obtained and non mechanical methods of converging on a sub pixel basis do rob resolution and sharpness, if you don't use such measures sharpness will be the same but misconvergence may be noticeable depending on viewing distance in relation to image size.
post #35 of 64
My Nero is installed! I am totally blown away and its not calibrated yet. Calibration should be later this week. I'll try to post some screen shots once calibrated. Like I said, I am totally blown away so far by both 2D and 3D material.
post #36 of 64
Congratulations aks2023. I'm very interested in your thoughts in comparison to your Marantz. I have a VP11S2 and am thinking of upgrading but I will probably wait for reviews on the 4K Sony before deciding.
post #37 of 64
My Nero is installed and ISF calibrated. I have a dedicated theater with total light control and a 103" screen. So far, I am really impressed with this projector. Both 2D and 3D content are stunning to view. I would take some screen shots but I don't want my photography skills to give the wrong impression of this product. Can anyone point me in the direction of a tutorial on taking effective projector screen shots? Do i need a tripod? I am happy to answer any questions people may have... I'm in Southern California if anyone wants to see the Nero in action. PM me.
post #38 of 64
Congrats and completely understand about the screen shots. I have a 8 year old 4MP camera that takes bad pics in full light

I am still clinging to my 35mm for high quality... I will have to upgrade at some point.

A quick question did you go with a 103" to make sure to have plenty of light in 3D as I would imagine the 2D light output is very bright?
post #39 of 64
I went with the 103" diagonal screen in 16x9 because i wanted a motorized masking system. I don't know the dimension in 2.35 but it is about 10' wide and is the widest that would fit in my room. ...and yes, it is plenty bright in 16x9 even at the lowest lamp power setting.

BTW, i have a Sony NEX-5 camera which should be plenty good for a screen shot, but I'd still like some info on how to take the best screen shot possible in order to capture the performance of the projector. Thoughts?
post #40 of 64
Put the camera on a tripod and use a shutter cable or timer. Pause the movie and take a pic. I would leave the lens aperature open and shoot with a low ISO to keep the noise low. The auto setting on the camera will probably work fine. Screen shots won't tell too much but most like them anyway.

Can you compare the Nero to your Marantz. Cleaner picture, better black floor, shadow detail, separation artifacts, better color etc. Thanks.
post #41 of 64
Thanks for the tips on the photo. I'll try to set that up this weekend. As far as comparing the Nero to the Marantz VP15S1, there is almost no comparison. The nero is FAR brighter but with MUCH better black levels. I would also say that the nero is sharper and with much more accurate colors. I do not see any rainbow effect, though I did not with the Marantz either.

Finally, a comment on 3D. I did not buy this projector for 3D but rather it was sold to me as the best 2D projector in my budget and that 3D was a bonus. Prior to owning the nero i viewed 3D as a gimmick that I wasn't even impressed with when i had seen other projectors in 3D. Basically, I just didn't "get it". With the nero, I still see 3D as bit of a gimmick, but an incredible and exciting gimmick that is a lot of fun. The nero is plenty bright in 3D (at full lamp output) for my viewing tastes and I am really impressed with the 3D effect.
post #42 of 64
Thanks for you comments on the comparison. Your sharpness comment surprises me as I find the Marantz to be quite sharp. Using the same chip and both projectors having nice lenses I would expect this to be similar.

I agree that my Marantz is a bit too dim for my taste with my screen size. Brightness and black levels are the primary reasons I am now looking. I see rainbows occasionally on the Marantz but for me its not a big issue. Unless something else comes along I will most likely purchase the Nero or the Sony
4K after I decide which will be better for my theater. I don't care much about 3D either but if I had it I'm sure it would be fun.
post #43 of 64
aks2023- How does the fan level compare to the VP-15S1. On par, lower, or louder?
post #44 of 64
I was expecting the fan level to be much quieter than the Marantz. I find it to be only slightly quieter. Neither is noticeable during movie watching except in the quietest of scenes.
post #45 of 64
I watched Avatar 3D last evening on recenty installed Seymour Screen Excellence 4k AT 140" wide 16:9.

It was late and I intended to watch a few scenes... I ended up watching the entire movie...

Stunning 3D image from the Nero 3D2.
post #46 of 64
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I watched Avatar 3D last evening on recenty installed Seymour Screen Excellence 4k AT 140" wide 16:9.

It was late and I intended to watch a few scenes... I ended up watching the entire movie...

Stunning 3D image from the Nero 3D2.

You didn't waste any time getting that screen up.
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post #47 of 64
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I was expecting the fan level to be much quieter than the Marantz. I find it to be only slightly quieter. Neither is noticeable during movie watching except in the quietest of scenes.

I'm not surprised ref. difference in fan noise and was holding out hope it was going to be more silent, but a DLP projector it still is and I guess they will never be silent.

Still waiting on a professional review from a site or person but Sim2 seem to be where its at for me with the 3D-2.

Congrats to those that bought it.
post #48 of 64
post #49 of 64
Thanks. How did I miss that.
post #50 of 64
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One of the other useful tests on the Spears & Munsil disc is the Dynamic Range High test which tests whether a display is reproducing all the video levels above reference white (235) up to peak white (255). This test is an easy way of spotting if a display is clipping above reference white and thus losing detail in the brighest parts of the image. The Nero 3D-2 was clearly clipping detail above 235, which means the projector is set up for the video standard of 16-235. Whilst there is nothing inherently wrong with this approach, a Blu-ray is capable of delivering up to 255, so ideally we would rather the Nero 3D-2 was set up to display from 16 up to 255.

Is this a major issue? Why would Sim2 not offer the choice considering the control they give you over everything else? And did I miss the contrast measurements?
post #51 of 64
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Is this a major issue? Why would Sim2 not offer the choice considering the control they give you over everything else? And did I miss the contrast measurements?

It didn't seem to be a major issue but it does seem like this is something that might be corrected with a firmware update. I wonder if this is the same for the Lumis line?

I didn't see any measurement for contrast ratios or actual lumen output in the review. Does anyone know the speed the color wheel?
post #52 of 64
Another review, this time on the 3D-1-

http://www.trustedreviews.com/sim2-n...ojector_review

In Comparison to its much bigger and much more expensive brother the Lumis Solo 3D-

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First, its 3D pictures aren’t as punchy, richly coloured, dynamic and bright as those of the Lumis 3D-S. Second, motion with 3D and 2D suffers slightly more with judder than it does on the Lumis 3D-S.

Third, the projector runs a little noisily - though at least the fan noise is very smooth and constant, which should enable a good installer to minimise its impact.

Our final ‘niggle’ is that under very particular source conditions you can see traces of the rainbow effect. The sort of ‘source conditions’ we’re talking about are predominantly those where extremely bright image content sits against really dark image content - for instance, the bright text information left onscreen while you wait for other areas to load when playing Skyrim.

Other than that they were impressed.
post #53 of 64
Just to avoid confusion, this thread is on the Sim2 Nero 3D-2. Thanks for posting the review link anyway.
post #54 of 64
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Originally Posted by Randall Morton View Post

Just to avoid confusion, this thread is on the Sim2 Nero 3D-2. Thanks for posting the review link anyway.

I did mention that before the link.
post #55 of 64
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I did mention that before the link.

I saw that you did but the title of the thread is for the 3D-2 and this could be easy to overlook.

I have a question about the 3D-1 vs the 3D-2. In the AVForums review it states in the introduction:

"In fact the light output is the only major difference between the three models, with the Nero 3D-1 rated at 1,600 lumens, the Nero 3D-2 rated at 2,000 lumens and the Nero 3D-HB rated at a massive 3,000 lumens."

Sim2's website is a bit confusing on this but it seems to me that the 3D-1 doesn't have the motorized iris control. Isn't this what gives the projector signifcantly higher contrast ratio? For me this would be quite a significant difference otherwise for the price difference I would be more interested in the 3D-1 with only 400 lumens less output.

http://www.avforums.com/review/SIM2-...or-Review.html
post #56 of 64
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Originally Posted by Randall Morton View Post

I saw that you did but the title of the thread is for the 3D-2 and this could be easy to overlook.

I have a question about the 3D-1 vs the 3D-2. In the AVForums review it states in the introduction:

"In fact the light output is the only major difference between the three models, with the Nero 3D-1 rated at 1,600 lumens, the Nero 3D-2 rated at 2,000 lumens and the Nero 3D-HB rated at a massive 3,000 lumens."

Sim2's website is a bit confusing on this but it seems to me that the 3D-1 doesn't have the motorized iris control. Isn't this what gives the projector signifcantly higher contrast ratio? For me this would be quite a significant difference otherwise for the price difference I would be more interested in the 3D-1 with only 400 lumens less output.

http://www.avforums.com/review/SIM2-...or-Review.html

Art Fierman at projector reviews measure the D65 output of the NERO 2D to be only 605 Lumens
http://www.projectorreviews.com/sim2...3d-2/index.php
post #57 of 64
Anyone measured contrast and ansi on this untis so far?
post #58 of 64
I have a Nero 3D-2 since april this year. It's the sharper projector I've ever own even after Lumis Solo, Marant VP-11S2, JVC rs65. If you are not sensible to rainbows and have a small screen you won't fine a better image out there. This machine can be calibrated to perfection in minutes. So far I have around 1000 hours on the original lamp and have only lost around 15% of the light output. The dynamic black feature works pretty good until you need to use subtitles. I'd say the blacks are very impresive on this machine even without the dynamic black feature turned on.
post #59 of 64
You mention the Nero is sharper than the Lumis Solo, would you care to comment on the differences in colour reproduction? Aside from shaprness, what else made you choose the Nero over the Lumis Solo?
post #60 of 64
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Originally Posted by westex View Post

Wow, this is a great projector. Image is sharp as a razor, bright, and has very good contrast. A major upgrade from my Infocus 777/Kodak 333. Have not tried the 3D yet, just not that interested in 3D really. Avscience is a great company to do business with. I'm no expert and have not seen a lot of different projectors, but I can not imagine anything better than Sim2.

I would hope it's lot better at 25k:eek:
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