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post #181 of 367
Toshiba FPTAG02G works too (based on comments at Amazon.de)
post #182 of 367
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Originally Posted by richie_slk View Post

Toshiba FPTAG02G works too (based on comments at Amazon.de)

Can anyone confirm if these work with the Epsons? FPTAG02G
At $42 they are a deal.
post #183 of 367
post #184 of 367
BURLAP123 please update your OP with a lot of good Info others are generating who are taking this thread seriously !

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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

I own about 25 3d blurays now and I am quite happy with Epson glasses as far as crosstalk goes on almost all of these except for Harry potter deathly hollows 1 where it's very distracting.....and there are select few scenes in other titles like Caroline, polar express and mummies where it's obvious

So I got the following RF glasses with IR receiver as these allow you to adjust the delay and duty cycle settings of the active shutter to virtually eliminate the residual ghosting....I was able to tune out most of the ghosting in HP1 movie for negligible loss in brightness and am very happy with the outcome.... The crosstalk performance is almost as good as a DLP now with additional brightness in 3d that this LCD offers !

They were selling for $175 a month ago, now the starter kit is down to $110 and additional glasses are down to $75 comparable to Epson glasses in price

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details

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Originally Posted by markba1 View Post

Falafala,

I just ordered the monstervision set as you described to try to tweak out the 3010's ghosting. What settings are you using?

Markba1 the monster does not give you a GUI to plug in the delay and duty cycle numbers.....you have to do it manually as described In their user manual that you need to download from their website

Also I did a lot of testing and found that monster can significantly remove the ghosting compared to Epson glasses but they have a sweet spot at the top of the lenses because the ghosting comes back if you view the image from the bottom of lenses as others in hd33 thread reported....this can be an inconvenience if you are lying down and watching the movie but can be corrected by angling the glasses downward....but worth the significant improvement in image quality in some movies with excessive ghosting like the harrypotter 1 movie
post #185 of 367
I saw that falafala. Did you end up adjusting duty cycle or delay more? My guess is the duty cycle.
post #186 of 367
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Originally Posted by markba1 View Post

I saw that falafala. Did you end up adjusting duty cycle or delay more? My guess is the duty cycle.

To help my fellow 3010 owners to get the best out of their purchase I uploaded a short video on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHGe14Tt_2Q

Play this video through your 3010 in SBS 3D mode and pause it....now turn on your glasses and close one eye at a time to see what's the smallest number visible from the image meant for the other eye...this is sort of an objective measure....not perfect but useful....for example with Epson glasses I could see the entire bottom row of numbers....with the monster glasses after a bit of tuning, I can eliminate even the bottom row almost completely (see below for some high level instructions)

Keep in mind that even with the non-tunable Epson glasses, I hardly see any crosstalk in 25 of the 3d movies I own except for Harrypotter-1 and select few scenes from mummies and Caroline....so the crosstalk is quite minor unless you are super sensitive like me....and that's where the monster glasses help....My plan is to use the Epson glasses most of time when I am watching by myself unless I see the ghosting....but for my family they will be quite happy with Epson glasses as they most likely won't notice the crosstalk even if it's there...

To tune the monster glasses, I started by closing one eye and did the following

Strating from left most setting i had to move Dutycycle (left-right adjustment) to the right by around 10to 12 clicks (20 is the highest I think) ...this gives brightest picture with minimal ghosting. ...

The I moved the Delay (top-bottom) up or down till I saw a single image...

You may have to iterate between the two one more time to get the best...I will try to post exact setting later when I play around with my second pair (the first pair looked very scratched on the frame and so am returning it)
post #187 of 367
Has anyone with the PS3 3D glasses tried to do the 2 players on one screen thing that's been advertised?
I'm just curious if it's even possible without their special Playstation TV?
It looks like that technology should be possible on other devices like our Epson's, but who knows.
post #188 of 367
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Originally Posted by hraynor View Post

FYI - Picked up 5 of the Sony PS3 3D glasses at my local Best Buy today for $49 each (they're currently on sale, normally $69). Actually got all they had.

Amazon has better deal...notax

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3-...5630983&sr=8-1
post #189 of 367
Thanks. That will come in handy if I need to pick up another couple of pair. Have friends that might come over this weekend. There's 5 of them, and 4 of us, so we'd be two glasses short. And BB now no longer has these on sale.

I haven't watched a full movie with these myself (I used the Epsons (since they fit better on me) while the kids and guests used the PS glasses), but will have to see what I think of them long term. Initially saw no issues. Had no complaint from others using them though.

The one draw back is the rechargeable batteries (IMHO), and the SHORT USB recharging cables. That said, I had all 5 glasses charged in about 1 hour fully from only two USB chargers, so either they charge quickly, or out of the box they were pretty well charged. Need to get a 5+ port USB hub so that I can plug them all in at once, though the short cabled may make that a bit difficult.
post #190 of 367
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Originally Posted by stansell View Post

Confirmed to work :
Sony PS3 3D glasses - Universally Compatible

model CECH-ZEG1U

I believe these are the same ones that come with the new PS3 display.

I detected no ghosting - same as the Epson. I think they are as dark as the Epson glasses, but have a warmer color tone. I found them to be perhaps more comfortable than the Epson glasses to me, but I think it depends on the shape of the user's nose. They seem to be slightly lighter than the Epsons. They use a non replaceable lithium-ion battery and come with a short USB cable that charges via a connector on the top of the glasses.

These glasses are capable of doing SimulView where two game players see a different 2D image. I saw a demo of this at best buy. It is like a split screen game, but each player gets the whole screen. I'm curious to see if this feature is only available with the PS3 display, or can it be used with other 3D displays . I'll have to looks up more in that.

Overall I'm happy with the quality and the price is around 30 less than the Epson glasses. It is too bad the color temperature isn't closer to the Epson glasses, but it is mostly noticeable when you are switching from one to the other . After a while your eyes tend to adjust and it is not that noticeable . I guess the color settings on the projector could be adjusted for this as long as you were not using the Sony and Epson glasses at the same time.
In the photos, the Sony glasses are on the bottom. Epson on top.

Hats off to you (or anyone else) for discovering these !

Got a pair from Amazon and am thoroughly impressed with it. Very well built and fits more snugly than Epsons for my kids. A minor note is they are the most well packaged glasses i have seen !

Very surprised to see it had much less ghosting than Epson glasses on the Harry potter 1 movie ! I will do more objective crosstalk test to see how it compares with Epson and Monster

Another notewrothy thing i love about Epson 3010 is that it gives 10 memory locations to store your settings and i can see myself tuning the color differently for each type of glasses....and i believe we are beginning to reap the benefits of m3di universal standard which openes up so many brands allowing us to get them for real cheap.....

I am hoping to find an optometrist who is willing to give me prescription shades that fit onto one of these glasses so i dont need to wear two pairs
post #191 of 367
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

Hats off to you (or anyone else) for discovering these !

Got a pair from Amazon and am thoroughly impressed with it. Very well built and fits more snugly than Epsons for my kids. A minor note is they are the most well packaged glasses i have seen !

Very surprised to see it had much less ghosting than Epson glasses on the Harry potter 1 movie ! I will do more objective crosstalk test to see how it compares with Epson and Monster

Another notewrothy thing i love about Epson 3010 is that it gives 10 memory locations to store your settings and i can see myself tuning the color differently for each type of glasses....and i believe we are beginning to reap the benefits of m3di universal standard which openes up so many brands allowing us to get them for real cheap....



I am hoping to find an optometrist who is willing to give me prescription shades that fit onto one of these glasses so i dont need to wear two pairs

In your opinion, do you think these would fit an 8 year old grandson pretty well? Thanks!

Ed

I'm speaking of the PS3 ones.
post #192 of 367
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Originally Posted by old corps View Post

In your opinion, do you think these would fit an 8 year old grandson pretty well? Thanks!

Ed

I'm speaking of the PS3 ones.

they fit me...so they should plus Amazon has excellent return policy if you find them defective
post #193 of 367
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

they fit me...so they should plus Amazon has excellent return policy if you find them defective

LOL. So you feel you are comparable to an 8 year old?

Ed
post #194 of 367
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Originally Posted by old corps View Post

LOL. So you feel you are comparable to an 8 year old?

Ed

sorry i misunderstood your question...i though you were asking if they are to tight ...now i understand you are asking if they are too loose ?

if so , i think they are snuggier than epson and should fit very young children as well
post #195 of 367
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Originally Posted by old corps View Post

In your opinion, do you think these would fit an 8 year old grandson pretty well? Thanks!

Ed

I'm speaking of the PS3 ones.

Old Corps

These fit my kids 20,17,16,15,13 with no problems, I have a two year old and they are too big for him but if he holds his head up a bit they will stay on for a bit... of course even if they did fit him he would have them off after 2 minutes anyway...

I would think they should work well on an 8 year old if they have the patience to keep them on! -- IMO
post #196 of 367
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

sorry i misunderstood your question...i though you were asking if they are to tight ...now i understand you are asking if they are too loose ?

if so , i think they are snuggier than epson and should fit very young children as well

Thanks!

Ed
post #197 of 367
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Originally Posted by Burtgolf View Post

Old Corps

These fit my kids 20,17,16,15,13 with no problems, I have a two year old and they are too big for him but if he holds his head up a bit they will stay on for a bit... of course even if they did fit him he would have them off after 2 minutes anyway...

I would think they should work well on an 8 year old if they have the patience to keep them on! -- IMO

Thank you! Wow, that's quite a crew you have there!

Ed
post #198 of 367
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Originally Posted by Burtgolf View Post

Old Corps

These fit my kids 20,17,16,15,13 with no problems, I have a two year old and they are too big for him but if he holds his head up a bit they will stay on for a bit... of course even if they did fit him he would have them off after 2 minutes anyway...

I would think they should work well on an 8 year old if they have the patience to keep them on! -- IMO

with all due respect are you serious about showing your 2 year old 3D moves, let alone movies ? didnt you read the 3D warning which says kids under 6 can have eye development issues due to 3D ?
post #199 of 367
falafala, I think he mentioned that his 2 y/o won't keep them on, so I don't think so.

...but anyway, looking forward to your results on the PS3 glasses. These might be the ones to buy if they ghost less than the Epsons, correct?
post #200 of 367
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

with all due respect are you serious about showing your 2 year old 3D moves, let alone movies ? didnt you read the 3D warning which says kids under 6 can have eye development issues due to 3D ?

Have you ever tried watching Lions King 3D or any Disney movie for that matter with a 2 year old around? Not sure if its the music or what but they get mesmerized at the picture/sounds and cant stop staring, he will "watch" it without the glasses

Guess that warning should have came along with any device that has angry birds on it seeing how he can unlock an Ipad and find his favorite app to play while the movie is going too...and YES he knows how to turn the sound all the way up to interfere with the movie!
post #201 of 367
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

I own about 25 3d blurays now and I am quite happy with Epson glasses as far as crosstalk goes on almost all of these except for Harry potter deathly hollows 1 where it's very distracting.....and there are select few scenes in other titles like Caroline, polar express and mummies where it's obvious

So I got the following RF glasses with IR receiver as these allow you to adjust the delay and duty cycle settings of the active shutter to virtually eliminate the residual ghosting....I was able to tune out most of the ghosting in HP1 movie for negligible loss in brightness and am very happy with the outcome.... The crosstalk performance is almost as good as a DLP now with additional brightness in 3d that this LCD offers !

They were selling for $175 a month ago, now the starter kit is down to $110 and additional glasses are down to $75 comparable to Epson glasses in price

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details

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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

BURLAP123 please update your OP with a lot of good Info others are generating who are taking this thread seriously !


Markba1 the monster does not give you a GUI to plug in the delay and duty cycle numbers.....you have to do it manually as described In their user manual that you need to download from their website

Also I did a lot of testing and found that monster can significantly remove the ghosting compared to Epson glasses but they have a sweet spot at the top of the lenses because the ghosting comes back if you view the image from the bottom of lenses as others in hd33 thread reported....this can be an inconvenience if you are lying down and watching the movie but can be corrected by angling the glasses downward....but worth the significant improvement in image quality in some movies with excessive ghosting like the harrypotter 1 movie


Actually, the software DOES provide a GUI for adjusting the duty cycle and delay. The user manual only talks about the joystick method.
see and download from: http://www.monstercable.com/max3d/default.asp

Thing is, with the software you need to adjust a setting, then save it, then go test, whereas the joystick method is realtime. The software will allow you to see the numeric values which is good to jot down in case you want a reference for later.

AFAIK, AVS sells the MonsterVision and Optima glasses, or visit Amazon (search on "MonsterVision Max 3D"). These are all made by a company called Bit Cauldron, so they are interchangable. You can get 1 - MV3D glasses + transmitter kit for around $110, and then however many Optima glasses you need @ $72/ea.

I got tired of buying different glasses for every machine, these are about as universal as you can get. With some displays you can directly plug in the MV3D transmitter to a VESA port, but others you'll need to capture the blasted IR signal with the MV supplied receiver and then retransmit with the RF transmitter. Result is no IR loss. I prefer to eliminate IR blasting (hide the emitter if necessary) so my remotes will function properly in 3D mode. If you keep the IR blasting enabled, then you'll be able to use any of the IR glasses you may have in addition to the RF Bit Cauldron glasses.
post #202 of 367
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Originally Posted by old corps View Post

Thank you! Wow, that's quite a crew you have there!

Ed

Yeah almost have a full Infantry squad, not sure what we were thinking !!

That why I was super happy when Stansell found these gems and what a great deal on them right now, so we have a pair of glasses for everyone (except the baby)
post #203 of 367
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Originally Posted by coolplazma View Post

Actually, the software DOES provide a GUI for adjusting the duty cycle and delay. The user manual only talks about the joystick method.
see and download from: http://www.monstercable.com/max3d/default.asp

Thing is, with the software you need to adjust a setting, then save it, then go test, whereas the joystick method is realtime. The software will allow you to see the numeric values which is good to jot down in case you want a reference for later.

AFAIK, AVS sells the MonsterVision and Optima glasses, or visit Amazon (search on "MonsterVision Max 3D"). These are all made by a company called Bit Cauldron, so they are interchangable. You can get 1 - MV3D glasses + transmitter kit for around $110, and then however many Optima glasses you need @ $72/ea.

I got tired of buying different glasses for every machine, these are about as universal as you can get. With some displays you can directly plug in the MV3D transmitter to a VESA port, but others you'll need to capture the blasted IR signal with the MV supplied receiver and then retransmit with the RF transmitter. Result is no IR loss. I prefer to eliminate IR blasting (hide the emitter if necessary) so my remotes will function properly in 3D mode. If you keep the IR blasting enabled, then you'll be able to use any of the IR glasses you may have in addition to the RF Bit Cauldron glasses.

thanks for the info....I think Monster (or Optoma) RF glasses take the step in the right direction by giving full control over brightness vs ghosting tradeoff...however their execution is somewhat flawed as these large lenses instead of solving the main problem (of fitting better than any others over prescription glasses and giving wide field of view) introduce others such as unwanted reflections and ghosting when viewed from bottom portion....hopefully other manufacturers will incorporate their positives.

And unfortunately there is no way to block the IR on 3010 as they are bunch of red LEDs that are arranged right next to and around the lens unless you can come up with some kind of contraption...but the IR blasting doesnt not bother me anymore as i found a simple trick....a little crude but does the job....i just block the PJ with a book and hit the AV remote and it works

Also i dont want to block IR as i plan to use both monsters and epsons (and now the PS3) glasses simultaneously....this is yet another advantage with this PJ in that it allows both IR and RF to work simultaneously unlike HD33 or 9500
post #204 of 367
^^^ correct. the 5010 has the option for an external emitter via the RJ45 port on the back. If that is the same RJ45 wiring as the Sony HW30 (TBD) then may be able to directly plug in the MV RF transmitter, or use the Sony emitter for many of the other IR glasses that people may have. Just thinkin of how to make this thread really confusing! haha.
post #205 of 367
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

Amazon has better deal...notax

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3-...5630983&sr=8-1

Are these the same glasses that Stansell posted with product ID CECH-ZEG1U? Amazon lists a different product ID of B00562O8U0. Link.

I need another pair of glasses, and $50 is reasonable. Thanks...


-T
post #206 of 367
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Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post

Are these the same glasses that Stansell posted with product ID CECH-ZEG1U? Amazon lists a different product ID of B00562O8U0. Link.

I need another pair of glasses, and $50 is reasonable. Thanks...


-T

The ASIN # on Amazon is not the manufacturer PN.

Also, I believe currently Sony only has one type of PS3 3D glasses available.

http://us.playstation.com/ps3/access...asses-ps3.html

post #207 of 367
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

The ASIN # on Amazon is not the manufacturer PN.

Also, I believe currently Sony only has one type of PS3 3D glasses available.

Thanks... just ordered a pair based on your post. Hope you are not wrong .

-T
post #208 of 367
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Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post

Thanks... just ordered a pair based on your post. Hope you are not wrong .

-T

I just received 3 more pair of the PS3 3D glasses from the same Amazon link Falafala posted last night to go along with the ones I picked up from WallyWorld, They are the same Gem that Stansel found and work no issues!
post #209 of 367
How are the Sony glasses in terms of comfort? I'm generally quite happy with the Epson glasses, but they start to pinch a bit above the ears after an hour or so.
post #210 of 367
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Originally Posted by Rigby Reardon View Post

How are the Sony glasses in terms of comfort? I'm generally quite happy with the Epson glasses, but they start to pinch a bit above the ears after an hour or so.

Sony is more snug......but to me both are very comfortable
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