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post #31 of 104
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

That is a very a generalized statement and I for one resent that.

You need to toughen up a bit if you're going to play around here
post #32 of 104
I'll take a crack at this one. I recently bought an ST30 purely for movie viewing. I consider myself an audiophile, I have a decent two-channel system with NAD components and lower-end JMLab speakers. I expected the sound on the ST30 to be awful and figured I'd mate it with my two-channel system. But I've been pleasantly surprised, and for now prefer keeping the stereo in the living room and the TV in a dedicated room. I'm not convinced a soundbar or cheapo all-in-the-box system is worth a few hundred bucks, and I'm not yet ready to spend the $1K+ a more serious setup would entail. I'll probably go that route in the long run, but I find the TV sound decent enough to tide me over in the interim.
post #33 of 104
I'm plenty tough bro I just feel that's a statement that sounds like dumb racial slurs coming out of a racist's mouth. Generalizing = stupidity and closed mindedness. I think this all comes down to the users preference, budget, room setting etc... Theres no simple answer as everyone and everything is different...
post #34 of 104
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

That is a very a generalized statement and I for one resent that. Having two 5.1 systems with receivers etc.. And sonos for digital stuff and flac and ease of use for the female. I can't watch a movie without sound. I'd rather have a smaller set than no sound.....

He's more right than not to be honest. I'm 24 and the majority of my friends and college kids go with headphones, tv speakers, or computer speakers. Usually all of it is complete utter garbage (beats headphones and laptop speakers). A lot stems from lack of funds combined with piss poor taste in everything.
post #35 of 104
I didn't say he wasn't right but the majority of the whole public is that way.. We on this site are a major minority at this point. It can be pointed to many things for it being the way it is ie lack of funds, knowledge, and a good ear.
post #36 of 104
Add to the list: space, wiring, room acoustics, WAF, young kids...

That's why I think downmixed 3.1 and soundbar is a good idea and even that has not caught up in a big way, not to mention multichannel surround.
post #37 of 104
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

I'm plenty tough bro I just feel that's a statement that sounds like dumb racial slurs coming out of a racist's mouth. Generalizing = stupidity and closed mindedness. I think this all comes down to the users preference, budget, room setting etc... Theres no simple answer as everyone and everything is different...

Wow. I didn't see any racial slurs or anything in that comment. Maybe an ill advised generalization, but racial slur?
post #38 of 104
Can you read??? I didnt state that he made a racial slur I'm just saying IMHO generalizations like that sounds like stuff that a person that does say them would say...
post #39 of 104
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

Can you read??? I didnt state that he made a racial slur I'm just saying IMHO generalizations like that sounds like stuff that a person that does say them would say...

I received a few pm's from others who interpreted it the same way I did. However, why don't we just let it go and let the thread get back on track. Agree?
post #40 of 104
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Originally Posted by niccolo View Post

ST30....But I've been pleasantly surprised

The best reply of this thread.

Lets ppl chime in what Make/Model with built-in spkrs they are happy with. Lets define happy = I dunn feel like another us$300 will make me happier.

I've seen Mitshubishis with front firing forward spkrs, haven't heard them but by their grill size I will have to assume it's not just there for looks, but I think Mitshubishi got out of the TV market.
post #41 of 104
My LG (LD520) has speakers on the bottom of the bezel which output towards the back of the tv (facing the wall) so you don't see them. Apparently they use the entire bottom half of the bezel for sound.The LG is on a console and not wall mounted. The sound was a bit tinny and hollow to me. Once I adjusted it a bit it, it wasn't too bad (but not as good as the Sony CRT which it replaced). We have since upgraded to a HTS and no longer use the speakers at all.
post #42 of 104
Preference for the sound to emanate from one location, seemingly from the visual itself instead of being surrounded by it. Especially with "talking head" programming, & even some types of movies.

All part of whether you want to complete the immersive experience, or not.
post #43 of 104
why do people use display speakers.............

ugh money, time, wires, formating, placement of 6-8 speakers, hassle.

before i joined avs i made the misinformed mistake a spending 2.5k on a sony non hdmi avs 5.1 receiver with bose speakers. had it calibrated by umr and aside from really good dvd/br audio mixes, it doesn't really enhance the viewing experience. the 5.1 sound i get from dish doesn't really sound that good to make me want to watch regular tv programming, excluding sports, in surround. hell the nfln broadcast last thursday was painful to hear in surround with their messed up audio mix. if i had a better setup, it would produce better audio and i'd probably use it more, but i don't have that kind of $$ to throw around these days.

my 2nd hdtv i have hooked up just to a stereo with 4 speakers and that produces a passable audio for my movies.

again if i had the $$ i would upgrade my audio, buy the 70 sharp elite, and probably a bmw, but those days are gone and may never come back.
post #44 of 104
You don't need to spend thousands of dollars to have a halfway decent HT setup that will blow away any integrated speaker. A few hundred on a denon or onkyo receiver and a few hundred more on speakers (not Bose) and you are good to go.

I personally don't understand why anyone would use built in speakers over an HT setup once they have one hooked up. Sure surround isn't necessary for all shows, which is why with the touch of a button I can down mix any show to 2.1 or 3.1 if I want to (and I do so regularly) but to switch from stereo/HT speakers to integrated tv speakers and cut out half or more of the frequency range coming from the program........this is madness!
post #45 of 104
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Originally Posted by NuSoardGraphite View Post

You don't need to spend thousands of dollars to have a halfway decent HT setup that will blow away any integrated speaker. A few hundred on a denon or onkyo receiver and a few hundred more on speakers (not Bose) and you are good to go.

I personally don't understand why anyone would use built in speakers over an HT setup once they have one hooked up. Sure surround isn't necessary for all shows, which is why with the touch of a button I can down mix any show to 2.1 or 3.1 if I want to (and I do so regularly) but to switch from stereo/HT speakers to integrated tv speakers and cut out half or more of the frequency range coming from the program........this is madness!

HD picture, but with SD sound.


Ian
post #46 of 104
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Originally Posted by NuSoardGraphite View Post

........this is madness!

This is SPARTA

Spartan lifestyle aside and the issues/ constraints listed above, a lot of programmings are in stereo so stereo still has its place but as TV becomes thinner, the AQ of the TV speakers get hurt badly.

Some of the TV speakers do sound reasonably well as per tcat's observation:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21201019
post #47 of 104
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Originally Posted by NuSoardGraphite View Post

You don't need to spend thousands of dollars to have a halfway decent HT setup that will blow away any integrated speaker. A few hundred on a denon or onkyo receiver and a few hundred more on speakers (not Bose) and you are good to go.

I personally don't understand why anyone would use built in speakers over an HT setup once they have one hooked up. Sure surround isn't necessary for all shows, which is why with the touch of a button I can down mix any show to 2.1 or 3.1 if I want to (and I do so regularly) but to switch from stereo/HT speakers to integrated tv speakers and cut out half or more of the frequency range coming from the program........this is madness!

dude, no offense, but in this economy you have to choose your priorities.
my kids dentists bills still need to be paid, so even if i had a five to seven hundred dollars lying around, dr. drill needs to be paid first.

yeah i would love to upgrade but.....................
post #48 of 104
My HT: Onkyo SR605, MFW-15 Sub, HTM-200 5 ch. which sounds great for action movies; but my 50" Panny TV speakers sound better for almost everything else. Bass is deep, dialog is full, concerts sound great... just not worth the bother to go grab my Harmony and have 10X the amps being drawn 16-20 hours a week. I actually unplug my sub when not in use, because even in standby draws significant current. My wife complains anytime I turn on the HT, "I can't hear what they're saying, turn it up"... then BAM a car crash and "turn it down"... (and I tend to agree with her).

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Originally Posted by NuSoardGraphite View Post

You don't need to spend thousands of dollars to have a halfway decent HT setup that will blow away any integrated speaker. A few hundred on a denon or onkyo receiver and a few hundred more on speakers (not Bose) and you are good to go.

I personally don't understand why anyone would use built in speakers over an HT setup once they have one hooked up. Sure surround isn't necessary for all shows, which is why with the touch of a button I can down mix any show to 2.1 or 3.1 if I want to (and I do so regularly) but to switch from stereo/HT speakers to integrated tv speakers and cut out half or more of the frequency range coming from the program........this is madness!
post #49 of 104
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Originally Posted by ebernazz View Post

Because my powered sub woofer shakes the whole house (even if turned way down still can feel it and so does everyone else no matter what floor). Don't need some commercial I don't even want to see for that. Now movies that's a horse of a different color. Has nothing to do with whether I have 5.1 or not.

really? What do you have it crossed over at? I find so little low frequency in news and most TV programs it's never really an issue. What sub you running?
post #50 of 104
I am at work so not sure exactly what model but AVR is Denon and I am a big fan of CSW speakers (HT200 series). It defaults to 80Hz (I think) and was told to lower it but I did not feel like it help and left it back at the default. I assume I was right in that at 60hz it would not kick in until <= to 60Hz correct? I never tried going higher (seems to me that would make it worse).
post #51 of 104
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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

My HT: Onkyo SR605, MFW-15 Sub, HTM-200 5 ch. which sounds great for action movies; but my 50" Panny TV speakers sound better for almost everything else. Bass is deep, dialog is full, concerts sound great... just not worth the bother to go grab my Harmony and have 10X the amps being drawn 16-20 hours a week. I actually unplug my sub when not in use, because even in standby draws significant current. My wife complains anytime I turn on the HT, "I can't hear what they're saying, turn it up"... then BAM a car crash and "turn it down"... (and I tend to agree with her).

A small volume adjustment to the center speaker should take care of the dialog.

I'm using Onkyo 607 and after adjusting the speakers with the built-in Audyssey
I find I still have to fine-tune the system, including the SVS subwoofer.
post #52 of 104
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Originally Posted by ebernazz View Post

I am at work so not sure exactly what model but AVR is Denon and I am a big fan of CSW speakers (HT200 series). It defaults to 80Hz (I think) and was told to lower it but I did not feel like it help and left it back at the default. I assume I was right in that at 60hz it would not kick in until <= to 60Hz correct? I never tried going higher (seems to me that would make it worse).

In theory, you have a "hole" in the sound spectrum between 80Hz and 60Hz.

Might be best to either cross the speakers lower or your subwoofer higher. THX
uses the 80Hz crossover point, BTW.
post #53 of 104
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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

My HT: Onkyo SR605, MFW-15 Sub, HTM-200 5 ch. which sounds great for action movies; but my 50" Panny TV speakers sound better for almost everything else. Bass is deep, dialog is full, concerts sound great... just not worth the bother to go grab my Harmony and have 10X the amps being drawn 16-20 hours a week. I actually unplug my sub when not in use, because even in standby draws significant current. My wife complains anytime I turn on the HT, "I can't hear what they're saying, turn it up"... then BAM a car crash and "turn it down"... (and I tend to agree with her).

If you turn up the center channel a bit you can alleviate those moments.

I don't think it's drawing 10X the amperage during normal use. At max volume, yes, but if it's quiet, it won't be draining much more than the TV speakers at a comparable volume. Just because you have 1000+ watts on tap doesn't mean it's always drawing them.
post #54 of 104
Lots of reasons:
1. Just because they bought a big TV doesn't mean they want a theatre experience.
2. People are moving away from large "hi-fi" systems in favor of small systems that you can plug an iPod into if they have an audio system at all.
3. Budget
4. Many spouses don't want 5.1 or 7.1 or more in the living room
5. If you're not watching a dramatic or adventure show, what difference does it make?
6. For the average person, hookup and configuration of these systems is a nightmare and requires far more understanding than most people want to have. I'm an ex-recording engineer and even I had some problems understanding what each setting was for. IMO, the A/V receiver manufacturers don't have a clue about decent UI and they've turned receivers into a niche market because of it.
post #55 of 104
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

Lots of reasons:
1. Just because they bought a big TV doesn't mean they want a theatre experience.
2. People are moving away from large "hi-fi" systems in favor of small systems that you can plug an iPod into if they have an audio system at all.
3. Budget
4. Many spouses don't want 5.1 or 7.1 or more in the living room
5. If you're not watching a dramatic or adventure show, what difference does it make?
6. For the average person, hookup and configuration of these systems is a nightmare and requires far more understanding than most people want to have. I'm an ex-recording engineer and even I had some problems understanding what each setting was for. IMO, the A/V receiver manufacturers don't have a clue about decent UI and they've turned receivers into a niche market because of it.

+1. the systems should be more plug and play orientated, less complicated and less expensive. if i could get a decent 7.1 system for $300-400 including all speakers, i would at least consider it. but last i checked that's the cost of a low end avs receiver.

too many unneccesary bells and whistles, lost like with point and shot cameras. we really don't need those features. simplicity should be
the first priority. save all the enhancements for the high end stuff audiophiles crave
post #56 of 104
Consider the average person twenty years ago with a 27" CRT and built-in speakers. Here's how they rated the problems with their setup:

1) Screen is too small. But bigger screens are really heavy (and expensive), so not worth doing anything about.
2) Black bars. Thank God for pan-and-scan, am I right people? :-b "Problem" solved.

There are no other problems with the setup, as far as they are concerned. There is no reason to upgrade any part of it. Until the digital transition, when coincidentally, big TVs got lighter. So a better solution to #1 was found around this time, but the new set was 16x9, which introduced a new variation on problem #2. Thank God for stretch mode, am I right people? "Problem" solved again.

All problems have now been solved as far as the average user is concerned. They now have a nice big TV, with which they can watch their stretched SD content with built-in speakers, just the way they like it. Who are we to judge?
post #57 of 104
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

+1. the systems should be more plug and play orientated, less complicated and less expensive. if i could get a decent 7.1 system for $300-400 including all speakers, i would at least consider it. but last i checked that's the cost of a low end avs receiver.

too many unneccesary bells and whistles, lost like with point and shot cameras. we really don't need those features. simplicity should be
the first priority. save all the enhancements for the high end stuff audiophiles crave

You still have to address #4. A lot of wives do not want a big TV dominating the living room...much less a bunch of speakers with their necessary wires all over the place :-)
post #58 of 104
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Originally Posted by hughh View Post

You still have to address #4. A lot of wives do not want a big TV dominating the living room...much less a bunch of speakers with their necessary wires all over the place :-)

Yeah, I had to carefully walk that minefield with mine when I setup our humble little HTS Took some clever engineering to hide the side speaker wires but I was successful, and with very thin, discreet speaker stands, she actually likes the effects.
post #59 of 104
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post


dude, no offense, but in this economy you have to choose your priorities.
my kids dentists bills still need to be paid, so even if i had a five to seven hundred dollars lying around, dr. drill needs to be paid first.

yeah i would love to upgrade but.....................

You don't have to tell me about priorities. I've been slowly putting together HT components since 2009. I started researching them heavily since 2007. Got the tv during tax time in 09. Got the PS3 for Blu 6 months later. Got speakers during tax time 2011. Had access to a reciever but no longer have it, so tax time 2012 will be the acquisition of a Denon receiver. My HT system is three years in the making and I'm still missing a sub! And its taking so long because i'm taking care of other responsibilities in the interim.

The point is that I hate tv speakers so much that no matter how long it takes, I WILL EVENTUALLY REMOVE THEM FROM MY EQUATION.

Sorry about that. I just really despise tv speakers....
post #60 of 104
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Originally Posted by NuSoardGraphite View Post

You don't have to tell me about priorities. I've been slowly putting together HT components since 2009. I started researching them heavily since 2007. Got the tv during tax time in 09. Got the PS3 for Blu 6 months later. Got speakers during tax time 2011. Had access to a reciever but no longer have it, so tax time 2012 will be the acquisition of a Denon receiver. My HT system is three years in the making and I'm still missing a sub! And its taking so long because i'm taking care of other responsibilities in the interim.

The point is that I hate tv speakers so much that no matter how long it takes, I WILL EVENTUALLY REMOVE THEM FROM MY EQUATION.

Sorry about that. I just really despise tv speakers....

I get it! My wife's feelings as well!
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