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post #61 of 104
I hate tv speakers so much, it gets me angry just thinking about those who are still listening to them! Hopefully, one day TV's will no longer come with on board speakers at all. I think then we'll all sleep better at night, knowing EVERYONE is using their HT systems, for ALL programming.

post #62 of 104
I hate HT systems, when TV speakers sound better, disturb your neighbors less, use less power (better for environment).... True, not all TV speakers are created the same, and most are junk... but if you have 50" Plasma with a very good sound, why bother? My HT system is well over $2K, and I really wish I'd bought a $300 soundbar instead (which I still would use only 10% of the time).
post #63 of 104
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

I hate tv speakers so much, it gets me angry just thinking about those who are still listening to them!

Why are you so concerned with other people's choices?

I know the majority of the world could not care any less about your choices.

You have plenty of choices for sound in your own home, let others make their own choices based on their needs and priorities and be done with it.
post #64 of 104
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

I hate tv speakers so much, it gets me angry just thinking about those who are still listening to them! Hopefully, one day TV's will no longer come with on board speakers at all. I think then we'll all sleep better at night, knowing EVERYONE is using their HT systems, for ALL programming.


Why are you so concerned with other people's choices?

I know the majority of the world could not care any less about your choices.

You have plenty of choices for sound in your own home, let others make their own choices based on their needs and priorities and be done with it.


Oh, just a busy-body I guess. It's not enough that I figure out what works best for me. I need to educate others & enforce my preferences upon "Joe Six Pack" & "The General Public", who don't know any better. In this case, all I'm asking congress to do is pass legislation prohibiting manufacturers from including speakers on new televisions from now on.

post #65 of 104
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post


Oh, just a busy-body I guess. It's not enough that I figure out what works best for me. I need to educate others & enforce my preferences upon "Joe Six Pack" & "The General Public", who don't know any better. In this case, all I'm asking congress to do is pass legislation prohibiting manufacturers from including speakers on new televisions from now on.

* SPOILER *

Preach it brotha!
post #66 of 104
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

Oh, just a busy-body I guess. It's not enough that I figure out what works best for me. I need to educate others & enforce my preferences upon "Joe Six Pack" & "The General Public", who don't know any better. In this case, all I'm asking congress to do is pass legislation prohibiting manufacturers from including speakers on new televisions from now on.

I didn't think Republicans were allowed here My bad
post #67 of 104
They're in the "Ultra High end HT gear $20,000 up" section.
post #68 of 104
I think the VT actually has pretty good sound, especially for small spaces. I haven't really even felt the need to turn on my receiver.
post #69 of 104
I have been using my TVs speakers for cable tv just because I didnt want to confuse my girlfriend with all the source changing buttons she had to push and such. She did admit using the TV with the system was way better but too "pesky" to turn on the TV/cableBox/AVR. BUUUTT I upgraded to a universal remote and now....you can figure out the rest
post #70 of 104
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they're in the "ultra high end ht gear $20,000 up" section.

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post #71 of 104
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

I hate tv speakers so much, it gets me angry just thinking about those who are still listening to them! Hopefully, one day TV's will no longer come with on board speakers at all.

My home system is hooked up to a HT system, but the only time I use it is when I watch a movie. When watching network TV I just use the TV speakers.

On wanting congress to pass legislation to get rid of onboard speakers because of YOUR preferences, we need to examine your habits and see what we don't like and then fine you when you do them. You are only thinking like half a government bureaucrat, first is the regulation, second is the income stream from the regulation.
post #72 of 104
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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

I hate HT systems, when TV speakers sound better, disturb your neighbors less, use less power (better for environment).... True, not all TV speakers are created the same, and most are junk... but if you have 50" Plasma with a very good sound, why bother? My HT system is well over $2K, and I really wish I'd bought a $300 soundbar instead (which I still would use only 10% of the time).

I'll trade you an old Sony HTIB...
post #73 of 104
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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

I hate HT systems, when TV speakers sound better, disturb your neighbors less, use less power (better for environment).... True, not all TV speakers are created the same, and most are junk... but if you have 50" Plasma with a very good sound, why bother? My HT system is well over $2K, and I really wish I'd bought a $300 soundbar instead (which I still would use only 10% of the time).

what does your home theater system consist of? I have about $3000 into mine and I can guarantee you that no speaker system in a TV will come close to it in sound. I also put together a used 3.1 system for my son for a little over $300.00 and blows away a stock system from a TV (he has a Samsung LNT4065).
post #74 of 104
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Originally Posted by HTguru3 View Post

what does your home theater system consist of? I have about $3000 into mine and I can guarantee you that no speaker system in a TV will come close to it in sound. I also put together a used 3.1 system for my son for a little over $300.00 and blows away a stock system from a TV (he has a Samsung LNT4065).

I know a lot of people poo poo HTiB but I bought one as my first foray into HTS for around 400 and am completely, if not utterly surprised, with the quality of the audio as compared to the tv speakers. I will upgrade the speakers some day but for now, they are more than adequate. Bottom line, you don't have to spend a lot of money to vastly increase the audio experience over and above the stock system.
post #75 of 104
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

I know a lot of people poo poo HTiB but I bought one as my first foray into HTS for around 400 and am completely, if not utterly surprised, with the quality of the audio as compared to the tv speakers. I will upgrade the speakers some day but for now, they are more than adequate. Bottom line, you don't have to spend a lot of money to vastly increase the audio experience over and above the stock system.

They can definitely do a very nice job and especially when compared to the factory sound system on a TV. I also advocate to a lot of people to search out some bargains in used gear as you can get a huge bang for the buck that way. In my sons system it consists of an Onkyo 747 receiver (does Dolby Digital) that he paid $65.00, an NHT Super Zero center speaker that he paid $20.00, a pair of NHT Super One's that he paid $45.00 for the pair and he did have an M&K MX-80 subwoofer that he paid $150.00. And if he wants to go with rear surrounds I have a pair of Cambridge surrounds (free after selling off part of the package I bought on craigslist) or a pair of Radio Shack Minimus7's (they cost me $1.00 each in a garage sale) that I can hook up for him. With careful shopping and a keen eye one can put together a pretty decent sound system.
post #76 of 104
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

Oh, just a busy-body I guess. It's not enough that I figure out what works best for me. I need to educate others & enforce my preferences upon "Joe Six Pack" & "The General Public", who don't know any better. In this case, all I'm asking congress to do is pass legislation prohibiting manufacturers from including speakers on new televisions from now on.


Do you use the tuner in the TV? If you use a cable box or satellite receiver and external source devices but not the tuner or the speakesr, then you already have a solution available. It is called a Monitor!!! These are available in sizes up to 65". Yes these large sizes are commerical products and cost more than similar sized TVs but what the "H" it is what you may be asking for.
post #77 of 104
I still have a monitor in the bedroom which I will not upgrade until it dies. It's an old Panasonic 42" plasma and it cost me over $2,000 way back when. I'm old, so I remember TV with rabbit ear antennas and hunks of aluminum foil stuck to those. I don't mind sub-standard sound in my other room where I have my HT when I just want to watch a couple of minutes of the latest news or check on the weather forecast. It keeps me from having to fire up my receiver.
post #78 of 104
Onkyo SR606, MFW-15 Sub, HTM-200 5 ch. TV ONLY sounds better with non-5.1 shows. Could very well be bad room acoustics (very large 25' x 50' open area with TV and system on one side at one end). I was testing yesterday switching between HT and TV, about 50% of the TV shows sound better on the HT. The TV speakers in my 50" Panny do sound better than any TV I've ever owned.

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Originally Posted by HTguru3 View Post

what does your home theater system consist of? I have about $3000 into mine and I can guarantee you that no speaker system in a TV will come close to it in sound. I also put together a used 3.1 system for my son for a little over $300.00 and blows away a stock system from a TV (he has a Samsung LNT4065).
post #79 of 104
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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

Onkyo SR606, MFW-15 Sub, HTM-200 5 ch. TV ONLY sounds better with non-5.1 shows. Could very well be bad room acoustics (very large 25' x 50' open area with TV and system on one side at one end). I was testing yesterday switching between HT and TV, about 50% of the TV shows sound better on the HT. The TV speakers in my 50" Panny do sound better than any TV I've ever owned.

I have a Onkyo 707 running bookshelves for front surround and floor standings for l/r front, plus bookshelves for rear L/R and SVS woofer. There is NO comparison between the TV speakers I have owned through the years and this system, period!

In fact, even when I watch old music videos from Youtube, the sound is much better when if I use the surround system. There is no comparison!
post #80 of 104
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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

Onkyo SR606, MFW-15 Sub, HTM-200 5 ch. TV ONLY sounds better with non-5.1 shows. Could very well be bad room acoustics (very large 25' x 50' open area with TV and system on one side at one end). I was testing yesterday switching between HT and TV, about 50% of the TV shows sound better on the HT. The TV speakers in my 50" Panny do sound better than any TV I've ever owned.

Sounds like a nice set up you have going there. I've been using after market sound gear for TV for a long times as one of my first was a 25" Console TV that was one of the first stereo units available along with a Panasonic VHS that was also stereo. I had an older Marantz amp hooked up to it with the amp running some rather large (and expensive) JBL speakers in stereo. Speakers alone were almost 4' tall. It was my first jump into home theater, lol.
post #81 of 104
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I have a Onkyo 707 running bookshelves for front surround and floor standings for l/r front, plus bookshelves for rear L/R and SVS woofer. There is NO comparison between the TV speakers I have owned through the years and this system, period!

In fact, even when I watch old music videos from Youtube, the sound is much better when if I use the surround system. There is no comparison!

This is exactly what im talking about. The sound coming from separate speakers as opposed to integrated speakers is so superior, I don't understand anyone settling for anything less. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, I just don't understand it.
post #82 of 104
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Originally Posted by NuSoardGraphite View Post

You don't need to spend thousands of dollars to have a halfway decent HT setup that will blow away any integrated speaker. A few hundred on a denon or onkyo receiver and a few hundred more on speakers (not Bose) and you are good to go.

I personally don't understand why anyone would use built in speakers over an HT setup once they have one hooked up. Sure surround isn't necessary for all shows, which is why with the touch of a button I can down mix any show to 2.1 or 3.1 if I want to (and I do so regularly) but to switch from stereo/HT speakers to integrated tv speakers and cut out half or more of the frequency range coming from the program........this is madness!

My wife primarily watches TV on our bedroom system, a 40" Sony Bravia KDL-40EX401. We recently moved, and I have not had time to have the shelf built in that I need to hold my receiver and speakers, so she's just using the TV speakers at the moment (for the first time, since I had them disabled at our last place). In spite of the fact that everything runs through a Harmony remote and is one-button simple, she actually prefers the TV speakers, because it's simpler. She doesn't have to hold the remote still to turn on multiple components just to watch TV. And frankly, given her preference for reality TV and other laugh-track heavy programming, she really doesn't benefit much from the HT system.

The ONLY reason she wants me to go ahead and reconnect the real sound system in our new bedroom (Denon 2112, B&W+Paradigm speakers, 5.1) is that I refuse to watch anything other than the occasional sitcom with her in there, instead dragging her to our main setup in the living room where everything always goes through my Denon 3312 with Klipsch speakers (7.1) and SVS sub, the way I prefer. Naturally, all movies (except the occasional RomCom) are watched on the main system as well.

I have to admit, the TV's built in speakers do a decent job with dialog, which is all that really matters on the programming she watches anyway. (I'm guessing not all TV speakers are the same in this regard, though... mine are decent enough for this purpose, however.) Utter crap for anything else, of course, but that'll be fixed soon enough. Still, she'll likely be annoyed at having to "deal" with the extra system bits, once it's set up again (even with a Harmony... perhaps if we had a fully-programmed Crestron system running over RF, but then she'd complain the remote is too big, or she'd break it when she drops it onto the hardwood floors!). I kinda wish there was a really simple way to switch back and forth between TV speakers and the full system, because it would save power and make her happy (also, the annoying laugh tracks from cheap TV speakers don't extend as far into the rest of the house compared to a better sound system!), but it's best, for simplicity's sake, to keep the system working one way so she doesn't have to think about which mode she's going to watch in anyway.
post #83 of 104
I am just surprised on such a site that is dedicated to audio and video that there are fewer with sound systems. Of course it's a personal choice and finances and life come in to play but AVS members should at least have a soundbar to get their membership card to AVS

It took years to build up my rig and the one nice thing is when your done your done if you so choose. Not like my display where it seems every two to three years cries for bigger and better..

Now that my pre/pro is 1.4 I can be done for a while. Such a huge difference in even watching just TV but hey it's more than just TV and movies. My CDs sound pretty dang good too...

It can be very addictive and expensive and I admit I was getting a little obsessed there with around $$$$$k MSRP (I wheeled and dealed and bought a mint amp on Audiogon which helped the burden). Monitor sized speakers have worked incredibly for me and a great center channel changes everything blu-ray related and sports.

If you are just getting started or looking to upgrade Audiogon is your friend and qualifies you for your membership card. Kidding. I do understand life but Santa is coming!

Oh my bedroom set has no external speakers and is fine for Nick at Nite.

Rick
post #84 of 104
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Originally Posted by Kalani View Post


My wife primarily watches TV on our bedroom system, a 40" Sony Bravia KDL-40EX401. We recently moved, and I have not had time to have the shelf built in that I need to hold my receiver and speakers, so she's just using the TV speakers at the moment (for the first time, since I had them disabled at our last place). In spite of the fact that everything runs through a Harmony remote and is one-button simple, she actually prefers the TV speakers, because it's simpler. She doesn't have to hold the remote still to turn on multiple components just to watch TV. And frankly, given her preference for reality TV and other laugh-track heavy programming, she really doesn't benefit much from the HT system.

The ONLY reason she wants me to go ahead and reconnect the real sound system in our new bedroom (Denon 2112, B&W+Paradigm speakers, 5.1) is that I refuse to watch anything other than the occasional sitcom with her in there, instead dragging her to our main setup in the living room where everything always goes through my Denon 3312 with Klipsch speakers (7.1) and SVS sub, the way I prefer. Naturally, all movies (except the occasional RomCom) are watched on the main system as well.

I have to admit, the TV's built in speakers do a decent job with dialog, which is all that really matters on the programming she watches anyway. (I'm guessing not all TV speakers are the same in this regard, though... mine are decent enough for this purpose, however.) Utter crap for anything else, of course, but that'll be fixed soon enough. Still, she'll likely be annoyed at having to "deal" with the extra system bits, once it's set up again (even with a Harmony... perhaps if we had a fully-programmed Crestron system running over RF, but then she'd complain the remote is too big, or she'd break it when she drops it onto the hardwood floors!). I kinda wish there was a really simple way to switch back and forth between TV speakers and the full system, because it would save power and make her happy (also, the annoying laugh tracks from cheap TV speakers don't extend as far into the rest of the house compared to a better sound system!), but it's best, for simplicity's sake, to keep the system working one way so she doesn't have to think about which mode she's going to watch in anyway.

Setup an activity that uses the tv speakers on the harmony. And just use an optical for the cable box and hdmi to the tv. Cable is only dolby digital anyway.
post #85 of 104
Thread Starter 
Just bought a new TV today and have to say im very impressed with the speakers. I actually could live with them if i didnt have my 5.1.
post #86 of 104
For watching the news, the display's speakers are fine. For movies, I would agree -- why use the display's speakers?
post #87 of 104
Well for you folks who's been belly aching on this subject, self included, the new TVs seem to have bigger built-ins! However, another complaint surfaced: Now they are no longer as thin as advertised! Can't win. rolleyes.gif
post #88 of 104
Not everyone can handle technology like soundbars. My mom and in-laws have trouble even understanding how to or why you would ever need to change inputs on the TV so I'm pretty sure a sound system would be the last thing in the world needing introduced into their life:). I have a soundbar on both my tv's by the way.
post #89 of 104
With the heat output of a 65inch plasma, using the speakers on non-movie content saves energy by not running another hot device (receiver).
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

With the heat output of a 65inch plasma, using the speakers on non-movie content saves energy by not running another hot device (receiver).

On warm summer days, my 65" has become barely warm to the touch. Not sure what heat I'm supposed to be worried about.

(This TV makes less heat -- and uses far less power -- than the 50" TV it replaced.)
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