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How about Brick, is that worth a watch? Saw it's on NF stream and almost gave it a go.
It was OK for me but I'm not huge "noir" style fan. Elements of it I do enjoy but those that I don't really turn me off. This new "Gangster Squad" looks absolutely horrible to me and with Sean Penn in I'll wait until it's on a stream before I watch it. I do like the rest of the cast but even the title font turned me away. Give me De Palma's Untouchables any day.
post #122 of 203
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Don't get me wrong, there is an awful lot to like in this movie.
Did I mention Emily Blunt?tongue.gif
Another bitch I have is the prosthetic device put on the young Joe to make him look more like Bruce Willis.
It's kinduva joke really.....
Obviously, they were concerned about making the 2 actors look similar.
And yet they didn't even bother to dye his hair Bruce's color?
Everyone knows he has brown hair.
OK, I guess it's an oversight by the filmmaker.
EXCEPT they repeat the very same mistake (in reverse) with Blunt's character.
Blunt has naturally dark hair, not brown/blond.
You know, the same as the kid in the movie who is supposed to be HER kid?!?
I dunno....maybe the makeup dept. didn't get the memo.rolleyes.gif

Or the fact that Bruce shoots left handed, JGJ shoots as a righty. Then again, maybe one can master ambidexterity in 30 yrs. Hell, Eddie Van Halen & Jimmy Page are natural lefties that play guitar right handed....knowing that personally helps my own suspension of disbelief.tongue.gif

Regardless of any "time travel" issues or perceived stupid moves by characters, I enjoyed the hell out of Looper & would watch it again. One bit I liked was the overall vibe of the future. They didn't go all Minority Report on us & at least kept it based in some sort of depressing reality. The gap btwn the haves & have nots certainly seems to have widened exponentially btwn now & 2044-ish. Reminded me a bit of Old Detroit in Robocop.

My comment to the missus at the end was that Ms Blunt's character should have an appointment for her young "Rainmaker" scheduled on the east coast with Dr Charles Xavier....pronto!! wink.gif His ability was pretty much a lift from Jean Grey's X-Men 3 freakouts.
Edited by jwebb1970 - 1/4/13 at 6:55pm
post #123 of 203
Ditto on the not so shiny future. I'm a fan.
post #124 of 203
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post

Or the fact that Bruce shoots left handed, JGJ shoots as a righty.
I noticed, but didn't want to appear anal.biggrin.gif

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Hell, Eddie Van Halen & Jimmy Page are natural lefties that play guitar right handed
Huh, I didn't know.cool.gif
Maybe they are like me...WRITE left-handed, but do pretty much everything else right-handed?

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Reminded me a bit of Old Detroit in Robocop.
My comment to the missus at the end was that Ms Blunt's character should have an appointment for her young "Rainmaker" scheduled on the east coast with Dr Charles Xavier....pronto!! wink.gif His ability was pretty much a lift from Jean Grey's X-Men 3 freakouts.
Now that I think about it....you're absolutely right.wink.gif

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Ditto on the not so shiny future. I'm a fan.
Me 3.
post #125 of 203
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Exactly, which makes me wonder why send Joe back at all....there is always a chance of a snafu.

Ah yes, but now you're violating the "logic" of the movie's story: he had to be sent back to be killed, lest the murder be discovered in the future world. Also, the entire story line would never have kicked in unless he were sent back, but that's a small quibble. wink.gif
post #126 of 203
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Originally Posted by oink 
Huh, I didn't know.cool.gif
Maybe they are like me...WRITE left-handed, but do pretty much everything else right-handed?

Probably. I 'd heard this about Page for years, but I can only speak personally for EVH. I got a chance to meet him back in early 1998, which was crazy for me being as he was the reason I first picked up a guitar back in 1981. Was working for a Peavey dealer @ the time & Ed was @ the NAMM trade show showing off his then-new guitar. Got to hang out for a while before the general public had access. Very sweet, if slightly "off" in a SoCal dude sorta way, guy....and he signs things with his left hand.
post #127 of 203
OK - after viewing one of the deleted scenes (extended cut of Joe's 30 yrs in Shanghai) as well as the sequence as seen in the final cut - looks like both JGL & Willis are shown shooting both righty & lefty (including 2 shots of the former that run back to back in the extended cut). So much for spotting continuity errors. And here's to ambidextrous criminals!
post #128 of 203
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post

Probably. I 'd heard this about Page for years, but I can only speak personally for EVH. I got a chance to meet him back in early 1998, which was crazy for me being as he was the reason I first picked up a guitar back in 1981. Was working for a Peavey dealer @ the time & Ed was @ the NAMM trade show showing off his then-new guitar. Got to hang out for a while before the general public had access. Very sweet, if slightly "off" in a SoCal dude sorta way, guy....and he signs things with his left hand.
Very interesting....

I saw Van Halen right before their 1st album was released at the Santa Monica Auditorium(?), opening for Nils Lofgren.
My cousin was very familiar with them and told me beforehand they were THE hottest band in L.A.
Having just got in to town, I had never heard of 'em.
All I can say is they were terrific...to say the least.
I was an instant believer.wink.gif
post #129 of 203
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

Ok even though I had initially had some doubts about this, all this positive feedback got me excited like Prometheus and I was planning to see it this weekend because I love time travel films until I read this from someone who saw it and it "confirms" what I said earlier about how can both exist at the same time. But what this person pointed out is even worst so if you seen it and care to hopefully explain it from this person legit big problem with the plot in the spoilers. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Not exactly. The movie was perfect up until the end where Young Joe kills himself. Then Old Joe ceases to exist. Based on THAT logic, Old Joe would have never existed period, which means that all of Old Joe's actions/history throughout the movie had never happened to begin with.
It's one thing if Old Joe went back in time and was sent to an alternate past; one like his but not THE past of HIS reality and all he could do was change the timeline of that reality. But they were selling it from the start that it is the same reality/timeline. Any injuries that happened to Young Joe showed up on the Old Joe because they were one and the same (Young Joe getting shot with the rock salt, carving the name of the waitress, etc.). If Old Joe was from an alternate future, those injuries would not show up. But they did, so they were hammering the point home that it was all the one and same reality.
And more importantly, when Young Joe committed suicide, the Old Joe would not disappear if he was from an alternate timeline. So based on both Joes being one and the same, if Young Joe killed himself, he would NEVER grow up/live to become the Old Joe who goes back in time. He killed himself, right? So how does Old Joe's actions happen to begin with if he killed himself 30 years prior?
THIS is why the movie sucked. It turned into a cop-out with the suicide and like I said, if he killed himself to make Old Joe cease to exist, he wouldn't be alive to become the Old Joe 30 years later to begin with. This MAJOR plothole could have been fixed if they went with something simple as "you can't go back in time into your own timeline" and wrote the story to reflect this.
That is the moral of the story that the future isn't set in stone, it's shaped by what you do today. It's the opposite of other Bruce Willis' time travel movie, 12 Monkeys, which portrays future as unalterable by past action (if my memory serves).
post #130 of 203
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Originally Posted by bcruiser View Post

It's the opposite of other Bruce Willis' time travel movie, 12 Monkeys, which portrays future as unalterable by past action (if my memory serves).

I think you should read the plot synopsis again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Monkeys
post #131 of 203
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

I think you should read the plot synopsis again.
What do you mean "again"? I was going by my memory from watching the movie years ago.
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Doctor Who is the only media that gets time travel right.
post #133 of 203
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Not exactly. The movie was perfect up until the end where Young Joe kills himself. Then Old Joe ceases to exist. Based on THAT logic, Old Joe would have never existed period, which means that all of Old Joe's actions/history throughout the movie had never happened to begin with.
It's one thing if Old Joe went back in time and was sent to an alternate past; one like his but not THE past of HIS reality and all he could do was change the timeline of that reality. But they were selling it from the start that it is the same reality/timeline. Any injuries that happened to Young Joe showed up on the Old Joe because they were one and the same (Young Joe getting shot with the rock salt, carving the name of the waitress, etc.). If Old Joe was from an alternate future, those injuries would not show up. But they did, so they were hammering the point home that it was all the one and same reality.
And more importantly, when Young Joe committed suicide, the Old Joe would not disappear if he was from an alternate timeline. So based on both Joes being one and the same, if Young Joe killed himself, he would NEVER grow up/live to become the Old Joe who goes back in time. He killed himself, right? So how does Old Joe's actions happen to begin with if he killed himself 30 years prior?
THIS is why the movie sucked. It turned into a cop-out with the suicide and like I said, if he killed himself to make Old Joe cease to exist, he wouldn't be alive to become the Old Joe 30 years later to begin with. This MAJOR plothole could have been fixed if they went with something simple as "you can't go back in time into your own timeline" and wrote the story to reflect this.

But it's simple:
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I think the last lines of the film are "So I changed it" if I'm not mistaken... From that precise moment (when he pulls the trigger) he does change the future. So, everything that happened up until that point did happen. But the future has been altered. It's not a new timeline, it's the same one but it has been changed. It reminds me of what I do everyday in, say, Photoshop... I open a document that I just saved. But something's wrong somewhere and I have to go back several steps in its history. When I find the right spot which can be 27 steps back, I make my change and all the subsequent changes disappear in favor to the newest state. Yet, it had to exist beforehand for it to be changed now. That's what happens in the movie.
post #134 of 203
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But it's simple: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I think the last lines of the film are "So I changed it" if I'm not mistaken... From that precise moment (when he pulls the trigger) he does change the future. So, everything that happened up until that point did happen. But the future has been altered. It's not a new timeline, it's the same one but it has been changed. It reminds me of what I do everyday in, say, Photoshop... I open a document that I just saved. But something's wrong somewhere and I have to go back several steps in its history. When I find the right spot which can be 27 steps back, I make my change and all the subsequent changes disappear in favor to the newest state. Yet, it had to exist beforehand for it to be changed now. That's what happens in the movie.
What about the readers who never used Photoshop? frown.gif
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What about the readers who never used Photoshop? frown.gif

How many levels of undo do you have in Windows Paint? wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

How many levels of undo do you have in Windows Paint? wink.gif


Or in Word?

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Or in Word?

How would I know I'm a mac user tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

How would I know I'm a mac user tongue.gif

 

Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 - Apple Store (U.S.)

post #139 of 203
A time travel movie and we already ran out of things to talk about/complain about?

This one was better than this...
post #140 of 203
Found this from AICN, nailed it pretty good so had to copy n paste this as it adds more of what I thought were true:

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Looper was dumb as hell. There's not a shred of sound logic in that movie. Nothing makes sense...

- Paul Dano gets his legs chopped off, but then somehow his future self still managed to run away from him? One among many scenes that made no logical sense. The writer shrugging it off by having Bruce Willis tell us not to think about it doesn't excuse it.
- Bruce Willis is shown to be a wise and sympathetic character then suddenly starts murdering kids? Yeah that makes sense.
- JGL's girlfriend's son just HAPPENS to be one of the kids born on the same day as the Rainmaker? That's a pretty amazing coincidence, and one that doesn't add anything to the story. Pointless.
- After the shootout in the diner, JGL easily makes his way to the Rainmaker's house just next door but Bruce Willis disappears. He was RIGHT THERE. There's no explanation as to why he just disappears from the scene other than the writer needed to fill some time.
- Almost the entire story was TOLD, not shown. We hear about the Rainmaker second hand, we hear about people's backstories in lengthy monologues, we are told how the looper things work in a narrative that's ditched as soon as it's not needed anymore. Almost everything relevant to the story was TOLD by a character. Bad writing.
- The action was clunky, particularly the hover bike sequences. The last hoverbike scene was laughably bad.
- It makes zero sense why a person has to kill his future self, in fact it's a terrible idea for the very reason that a person would WANT to try to help their future self get away. Especially as no one was even checking to see if they killed the older version. For that matter how would the mob know that they got away? It's like they suddenly know it even though there's no reason for them to. If they know it because they're from the "future" then why didn't they send back-up or something to begin with? Just makes no sense.

Looper IS terribly overrated. I went expecting something smart and I got that hot mess. Time will not be kind to this one.
post #141 of 203
Ugh, that guy really needs to watch the movie again and not be so angry.
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1) Dano's character loses his leg at that moment, not immediately. It makes sense the way it's portrayed in the movie.
2) He doesn't just start 'murdering kids'. He finds three on a list and starts stalking them and kills one and he is intensely remorseful immediately afterwards.
3) JGL's girlfriend has a young daughter, actually. It's a movie. They are connecting characters to give some extra weight on the scene. Chill out. It works fine.
4) He's on a hoverbike for a lil while and jumps off... then some time goes by and he is there. This kind of time acceleration happens in EVERY MOVIE ON EARTH. No big deal.
5) No, not really. Watch the deleted scenes. There is plenty that us as an audience had to put together ourselves or just through the editing. This wasn't Inception-bad as far as exposition and explanation to the audience.
6) Yeah, the hoverbikes parts were pretty poorly composited. However, there is maybe 60 seconds worth of them in a nearly 2hr long movie. More grasping for straws from an angry movie reviewer.
7) Eh... it's the plot of the movie and it was interesting. Without it, there would have been no movie.
post #142 of 203
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Found this from AICN,
You like reading some teenager's feedback? biggrin.gif
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AICN = Hipster news
post #144 of 203
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Ugh, that guy really needs to watch the movie again
Or read the plot synopsis again. smile.gif
post #145 of 203
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

Found this from AICN, nailed it pretty good so had to copy n paste this as it adds more of what I thought were true: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Looper was dumb as hell. There's not a shred of sound logic in that movie. Nothing makes sense...
- Paul Dano gets his legs chopped off, but then somehow his future self still managed to run away from him? One among many scenes that made no logical sense. The writer shrugging it off by having Bruce Willis tell us not to think about it doesn't excuse it.
- Bruce Willis is shown to be a wise and sympathetic character then suddenly starts murdering kids? Yeah that makes sense.
- JGL's girlfriend's son just HAPPENS to be one of the kids born on the same day as the Rainmaker? That's a pretty amazing coincidence, and one that doesn't add anything to the story. Pointless.
- After the shootout in the diner, JGL easily makes his way to the Rainmaker's house just next door but Bruce Willis disappears. He was RIGHT THERE. There's no explanation as to why he just disappears from the scene other than the writer needed to fill some time.
- Almost the entire story was TOLD, not shown. We hear about the Rainmaker second hand, we hear about people's backstories in lengthy monologues, we are told how the looper things work in a narrative that's ditched as soon as it's not needed anymore. Almost everything relevant to the story was TOLD by a character. Bad writing.
- The action was clunky, particularly the hover bike sequences. The last hoverbike scene was laughably bad.
- It makes zero sense why a person has to kill his future self, in fact it's a terrible idea for the very reason that a person would WANT to try to help their future self get away. Especially as no one was even checking to see if they killed the older version. For that matter how would the mob know that they got away? It's like they suddenly know it even though there's no reason for them to. If they know it because they're from the "future" then why didn't they send back-up or something to begin with? Just makes no sense.
Looper IS terribly overrated. I went expecting something smart and I got that hot mess. Time will not be kind to this one.
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-Dano's legs started to disappear on his future self before surrendering himself and getting ultimately killed.
-Bruce Willis is not really shown as a sympathetic character...Do you remember the various short sequences showing him growing older, killing people and stuff? As he got older, he wanted to find a way to redeem himself. He found a wife and settled down but he was a fugitive of sorts too iirc.
-Young Joe finds Emily Blunt and her farm because he followed the map he found on old Joe. Not by coincidence. What he doesn't know when he meets her is the meaning of the map and her son's "issue".
-I didn't mind the narration.
-The action being clunky is relative and subjective.
-it DOES make sense for young Joe to kill himself especially now that he knows what the world will come to, he saves the boy, the woman he loves, and in the end, he finally finds his way to redeem himself...

...next question? wink.gif
post #146 of 203
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Thanks but no thanks biggrin.gif
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LOL at those who think they got it all figured out only to be proved wrong on every count.

post #148 of 203
Let's close this down and go start in on Dredd. It was badass by the way.
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

Let's close this down and go start in on Dredd. It was badass by the way.

Hell yes it was! Can't wait to watch it tonight. smile.gif

Lol @ your slightly updated location by the way. biggrin.gif
post #150 of 203
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Hell yes it was! Can't wait to watch it tonight. smile.gif
Lol @ your slightly updated location by the way. biggrin.gif

I liked it better than The Avengers, Looper, and Total Recall.
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