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post #61 of 296
12/24/11 at 3:50pm
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Add dipoles and add those speakers to the rear the....... Or simpy use them as rear surrounds in the first place. The throw to the first seat versus the fourth seat is going to be problematic with setting sound levels. Not so much an issue with seats 2 and 3.

At the very least, I'd wire with 7.1.

All good points.
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post #62 of 296
12/24/11 at 10:35pm
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Luckily, I have not purchased my speakers yet! (feeewww). What dipole would you guys recommend for the sides? I've been looking at the Emotiva ERD-1...
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post #63 of 296
12/25/11 at 2:46am
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Luckily, I have not purchased my speakers yet! (feeewww). What dipole would you guys recommend for the sides? I've been looking at the Emotiva ERD-1...

Hi there,
Last week I hooked up two pairs of the ERD1 speakers powered by 2 channels off my XPA5 and the rear surrounds off a UPA2. Rear speakers are in bipole arrangement and sides in dipole. Really happy with their performance and mounting ease. I have pics on my build thread if you are interested.
Merry Christmas
Greg
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post #64 of 296
12/26/11 at 9:52am
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Hi there,
Last week I hooked up two pairs of the ERD1 speakers powered by 2 channels off my XPA5 and the rear surrounds off a UPA2. Rear speakers are in bipole arrangement and sides in dipole. Really happy with their performance and mounting ease. I have pics on my build thread if you are interested.
Merry Christmas
Greg

Thanks for stopping by and for the input Greg, your build is looking great bro!

Quick question about amplification....I'm going to be using the onkyo 809 for a receiver which is rated @ 135 watts per channel. Considering the size of my room (12x14), do I really need an amp to push my speakers beyond the capabilities of my receiver?
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post #65 of 296
12/26/11 at 9:57am
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Thanks for stopping by and for the input Greg, your build is looking great bro!

Quick question about amplification....I'm going to be using the onkyo 809 for a receiver which is rated @ 135 watts per channel. Considering the size of my room (12x14), do I really need an amp to push my speakers beyond the capabilities of my receiver?

I would just use the receivers integrated amp. Anything else seems like overkill. I have the Onkyo 609 running 5.1 and it works great.
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post #66 of 296
12/26/11 at 10:29am
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I would just use the receivers integrated amp. Anything else seems like overkill. I have the Onkyo 609 running 5.1 and it works great.

That's what I'm thinking Austin. the 135 watts per channel should be sufficient to push my speakers in my small space....unless amplification has some other effect of which I'm totally unaware of??
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post #67 of 296
12/26/11 at 12:49pm
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Thanks for stopping by and for the input Greg, your build is looking great bro!

Quick question about amplification....I'm going to be using the onkyo 809 for a receiver which is rated @ 135 watts per channel. Considering the size of my room (12x14), do I really need an amp to push my speakers beyond the capabilities of my receiver?

No probs on the reply and thanks for your comments. It's been a long process! With regards to amplification, you probably may not require more power than you already have with your receiver for a smallish room. It ultimately depends on what sort of volume levels you intend to listen at. Even though your spec sheet claims 135 wpc, it would be unlikely that is with all channels driven at once. The real figures are considerably less. What a larger amp buys you is headroom. If you were to add something like an XPA3 for the front three channels you would be able to push the amp much less, resulting in lower distortion levels and less strained listening. It also greatly reduces your chance of clipping the speakers through overdriving them. Despite what many people think, more damage occurs with speakers due to under powering them with amps. I originally had my Niles LCR speakers hooked up to an Emotiva UPA2 125wpc amp. When I used the XPA5 it was like chalk and cheese. Much better sound and volume levels. They really sounded so much better.
My recommendation would be to set up with your receiver and try it. If you need more amplification you can always add it later through your pre outs on the receiver.
Enjoy!
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post #68 of 296
12/28/11 at 7:45pm
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Soffits are going up. I wanted to build a tray like soffit that will house 8 to 10 black lights (2-3 on the sides, 2 in the back, and 2 in the front.) The top of the soffit is 7 inches from the ceiling and extends 13 inches from the wall. Couldn't make it too huge as I didn't want the soffit to have an overwhelming effect in my small space. Soffit is framed with 2x4's and will be covered in 5/8 drywall + GG.


Here is shot of the soffit and another of the stage (for you aaustin) lol.



Rear portion of the soffit along with the AV rack. The speaker wire was wired for the rear but that was before I found out the rear in a 5.1 setup is actually the sides.......DOH!!! Live and you learn I guess. I will need to relocate those to the side walls
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post #69 of 296
12/28/11 at 7:46pm
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No probs on the reply and thanks for your comments. It's been a long process! With regards to amplification, you probably may not require more power than you already have with your receiver for a smallish room. It ultimately depends on what sort of volume levels you intend to listen at. Even though your spec sheet claims 135 wpc, it would be unlikely that is with all channels driven at once. The real figures are considerably less. What a larger amp buys you is headroom. If you were to add something like an XPA3 for the front three channels you would be able to push the amp much less, resulting in lower distortion levels and less strained listening. It also greatly reduces your chance of clipping the speakers through overdriving them. Despite what many people think, more damage occurs with speakers due to under powering them with amps. I originally had my Niles LCR speakers hooked up to an Emotiva UPA2 125wpc amp. When I used the XPA5 it was like chalk and cheese. Much better sound and volume levels. They really sounded so much better.
My recommendation would be to set up with your receiver and try it. If you need more amplification you can always add it later through your pre outs on the receiver.
Enjoy!

Thanks alot ding (I refuse to type your whole user name....lol....I need your real name bro!). I have been doing some research over in the amp section to see what is best for me. Like you said, I could always add one later I suppose. Thanks for your input again!
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post #70 of 296
12/28/11 at 8:15pm
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Here you can see where the room was extended. The rear speaker will be mounted on the right side of the entry door (same for opposite wall)....2 to 3 feet above the seated listener's position (thanks avs!)

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post #71 of 296
12/28/11 at 10:13pm
Looks great and keep up the good work! Thanks for the pic of the stage. I still haven't decided if I am going to do one as I don't think my sub will fit on it since it can't be very big. I'll have to make the final decision once the drywall is up.

Also since you're building those soffits after the room was DD+GG you don't need to do DD+GG on them unless they are going to be used as mufflers for ventilation. They are already within the sealed room so extra drywall isn't necessary. One piece of 1/2" or even 3/8" drywall would be fine.
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post #72 of 296
12/28/11 at 10:51pm
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This shot is of the stage. There will be 3 can lights in the soffit for the front and 2 can lights on remaining sides of the room. Drywall on soffit almost complete.
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post #73 of 296
12/28/11 at 11:04pm
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Looks great and keep up the good work! Thanks for the pic of the stage. I still haven't decided if I am going to do one as I don't think my sub will fit on it since it can't be very big. I'll have to make the final decision once the drywall is up.

Also since you're building those soffits after the room was DD+GG you don't need to do DD+GG on them unless they are going to be used as mufflers for ventilation. They are already within the sealed room so extra drywall isn't necessary. One piece of 1/2" or even 3/8" drywall would be fine.

Yea I figured but I used the 5/8 because of the left over we had from adding the 2nd layer to the walls. Also, we pre-cut the holes in the soffit for can lights. The can lights were about 12 bucks a piece from lowes. Not insulating the soffit so the cheap cans will do just fine.

I had the same dilemma you are having regarding the sub. I only have 16.25 inches between my false wall and (real?) wall, lol. I decided that the sub will have to be in front of the stage. I am not 100% sure what effect this will have on the overall sound inside the theater. Audio gurus fill free to chime in on this.....I am going to be purchasing the HSU VTF 3mk4 and adding a second one if needed to smooth out the bass response in such a boxy room if needed.
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post #74 of 296
12/29/11 at 3:46am
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Here you can see where the room was extended. The rear speaker will be mounted on the right side of the entry door (same for opposite wall)....2 to 3 feet above the seated listener's position (thanks avs!)

Hey there. Soffits and stage looking really good! Name is Greg. Dingaling is something that I got called 35-40 years ago by my folks.... I guess before it had that 'other' connotation. That's my story anyway! With the amp, you can always add it later if your receiver has pre outs. I would look at an XPA3 for the main front sound stage and just run your surrounds off the receiver. Just depends how high you want to go. Keep up the pics... Looking really nice.
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post #75 of 296
12/29/11 at 5:00pm
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I appreciate the remarks Greg! Alot more to come in the future! Happy New Year to you and your family.
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post #76 of 296
12/30/11 at 10:21am
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I have a question for all of the star ceiling gurus out there. I have hopes of having my ceiling painted with stars later on in my theater build. I have tried to contact Jeff from NightSkyMurals but I guess the holiday's has him incredibly busy. My question is, does anyone know the type of paint used to create the UV stars on the ceiling? I found this website:http://glonation.com/ceiling-kits.html

Seems like this paint would fit the bill, but I'm not 100% sure. Input welcome!
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post #77 of 296
1/1/12 at 5:45pm
azula,

Have you tried posting your questions in NightSkyMurals thread here in the construction forums??
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post #78 of 296
1/1/12 at 7:04pm
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azula,

Have you tried posting your questions in NightSkyMurals thread here in the construction forums??

I have been stalking that thread for a while now, not much activity these days though. I'll prolly give it a go though. I don't want to buy this paint if it is incorrect.
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post #79 of 296
1/14/12 at 2:36pm
How goes it on the theater? I haven't seen an update in awhile
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post #80 of 296
1/15/12 at 2:45am
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^the theater is coming along slowly but surely, I've been debating on whether theater seats or a couch would be more feasible in my space. I really want to go for an authentic theater feel so I'm still leaning toward theater seats. Still, no excuse for my absence.

No major updates but the lutron lighting system has been installed. I went with two scenes: one for the stage and one for the rest of the room. I installed a third switch which will control the black lights in the soffit.

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post #81 of 296
1/15/12 at 6:17am
Very nice!

I'll be going with a couch and recliner in my room since I have them from my old house. You could do a few theater seats though. Either one would be great.

What lutron system is that? Maestro? Spacer?
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post #82 of 296
1/17/12 at 10:54pm
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It's the lutron Maestro, got the soffit lights in as well.....everything is working flawlessly, hopefully the Maestro system will play nicely with my harmony 1100! lol
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post #83 of 296
1/22/12 at 6:13pm
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Updates:

A/V rack, shelves and soffit drywall are complete, I need to run two additional speaker wires for my sides which shouldn't be too big of a deal.
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post #84 of 296
1/22/12 at 6:19pm
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Getting the linacoustic installed on the stage wall, I only used 1 layer due to the space issues between the screen wall and exterior wall (only 15 inches).
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post #85 of 296
1/22/12 at 6:22pm
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Linacoustic complete. We attached with 3m adhesive spray and it isn't going anywhere. I made one mistake by covering up the plug on the exterior wall....DOH!@....Gotta figure out a way to locate that plug without removing the linacoustic.
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post #86 of 296
1/22/12 at 6:36pm
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I present to you the minimalist screen wall:


The screen wall was designed (plagiarized) with the help of this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...t=screen+walls

It was constructed using 1x4 primed FJ pine with some left over wood for the base supports. Tried to cut corners by drilling straight into the FJ pine (newbie mistake) however the pine split. I learned my lesson while throwing out a piece of 15 dollar wood and did it the right way by drilling pilot holes. Sigh.....my mistake cost is almost as much as the theater itself....HA!
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post #87 of 296
1/22/12 at 6:38pm
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Here is a shot of the underside of the frame. Thanks to BIGMOUTHINDC, I have a solid support and even more space to work with between my exterior and screen wall!!


another shot!
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post #88 of 296
1/22/12 at 6:55pm
Looking good. Well done on the screen wall. Yup, pilot holes are a very good thing. I too have learned that the hard way, and sometimes still gets me when I try to cut corners and speed things up.

Regards,

RTROSE
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post #89 of 296
1/22/12 at 8:02pm
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I present to you the minimalist screen wall:

Consider it inspected and approved for use!

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post #90 of 296
1/23/12 at 12:46pm
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^haha.....thank you sir for the inspiration!

next, I will paint the frame black and also contract out the paint work for the room. I have been going back and forth with colors but I'm pretty sure it will be something in the brown family. Also going to paint ceiling a dark blue color to prepare for painted stars. Everything is coming along nicely at the point....I love the build but I can't wait to get this done and start enjoying the fruits of my mistakes, and labor!
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