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post #241 of 391
3/25/12 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by MStanic View Post

Thanks folks.
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So just to confirm toofast68, as you have yours mounted the way I would be mounting mine. You are using the flush mount that came with the projector and from the ceiling to the bottom of the projector is around 9 and 1/4 inches give or take a couple of mm's at most? If so this will work for me.

Any of you debate the Panny 7000 over the 6010?

Yes, that is correct... 9 1/4 give or take a bit to the BOTTOM of the projector.

I did review the Panny 7000, but choose the Epson. Thought the Epson had a better package, with 3D glasses, killer mount, extra bulb, wire cover (which makes a HUGE difference)...plus the 6010 was a bit brighter calibrated than the 7000.
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post #242 of 391
3/26/12 at 3:59am
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Originally Posted by MStanic View Post

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Any of you debate the Panny 7000 over the 6010?

Yes, it and the Sony hw30 where on my short list. I narrowed my choice to the Sony and Epson. Having came from a Sony that had been great, (HS20) was hard to try a different pj. That, and some negative feedback with the Panny, which I really wanted to like. The extras, and support for the Epson swayed me, as well as it's 3D capabilities/brightness, and bulb life.
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post #243 of 391
3/26/12 at 6:42am
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Yes, it and the Sony hw30 where on my short list. I narrowed my choice to the Sony and Epson. Having came from a Sony that had been great, (HS20) was hard to try a different pj. That, and some negative feedback with the Panny, which I really wanted to like. The extras, and support for the Epson swayed me, as well as it's 3D capabilities/brightness, and bulb life.

I have been a SONY owner since the days of 9" CRT Projectors - 1996.

I have owned all the Sony's along the way for 2D performance.

I am VERY HAPPY with my 1st Epson PJ.

I have not owned the SONY HW30 - but I'll bet if you did a side-by-side
comparison you would pick the Epson.
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post #244 of 391
3/26/12 at 9:59pm
I am about to start construction on my HT, and want to know what screen size I can go with the 6010? Controlled light, dark wall and ceiling, and no windows. I can put the Epson at 16’ 6” or 17”, is this too far? The seats are 1st row at 12’6” and the 2nd row at 14’6” or 15’. and what screen are ya'll using? Room is 16 x 23, 10' ceiling with a barrel arch the height at the tallest point is 14'.
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post #245 of 391
3/26/12 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

Epson gave me the string to check out the software version. I didn't ask if I could post it. So I won't.

I checked my firmware version with the instruction. Just to make sure, is it on the page where the word "PROJECT" is listed vertically? I looked for the string listed after "P", and I think I got the 1.04 firmware already. Mine was from the shipment that came in toward the end of Feb/early March on the west coast.
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post #246 of 391
3/27/12 at 5:36am
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Originally Posted by trenter33 View Post

I am about to start construction on my HT, and want to know what screen size I can go with the 6010? Controlled light, dark wall and ceiling, and no windows. I can put the Epson at 16’ 6” or 17”, is this too far? The seats are 1st row at 12’6” and the 2nd row at 14’6” or 15’. and what screen are ya'll using? Room is 16 x 23, 10' ceiling with a barrel arch the height at the tallest point is 14'.

I have my 6010 16' from my 142" scope screen and it's wonderful. My room is 16'X21' and i sit 15' away from the screen.
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post #247 of 391
3/27/12 at 3:58pm
we have a 145" StudioTek G3 and it is simply stunning.
1st row is 11', 2nd is 14', 3rd is 17' and back is 21'.

The projector is a gem.
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post #248 of 391
3/27/12 at 7:32pm
I'm also building a new home theater in my basement. The room is about 19x19 with 8' ceilings. Seating will be about 15-16' from the screen. I'm close to deciding on the 6010 projector. And I'm leaning toward a scope screen, about 142" diagonal. What screen materials do you find most successful with this projector? I'm looking at everything from Dragonfly to Screen Innovations Black Diamond to Da-Lite High Contrast CinemaVision, even the Joe Kane Affinity line. I'd appreciate your comments on what works well with this projector.

Sorry if this belongs in the screen forum; I wanted the question to be specific to the 6010 projector.

Thanks,

Chuck
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post #249 of 391
3/28/12 at 5:29am
After much deliberation, I pulled the trigger on the 6010 to replace my Panny 4000. My biggest worry was no FI in 3D where the Panny 7000 has FI in 3D and making sure I got a 6010 with firmware 104 which I am told my new projector will come with. Hopefully, aside from 3D, the upgrade is worth every penny. I'm skeptical, however, that 2D will have a significant WOW factor over my current projector.

Aside from that, "toofast68", I'm still concerened that my door will clear but I trust your measurement. One last thing I had on that, with respect to the bottom of the projector, is if the bottom is flat when you get to 9 and 1/4 inches. In other words, is there any point on the bottom of the projector that dips, if not flat, below 9 and 1/4 that would make that measurement slightly longer. Other than that, I'm anxious to get this going.
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post #250 of 391
3/28/12 at 6:07am
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Originally Posted by MStanic View Post

Aside from that, "toofast68", I'm still concerened that my door will clear but I trust your measurement. One last thing I had on that, with respect to the bottom of the projector, is if the bottom is flat when you get to 9 and 1/4 inches. In other words, is there any point on the bottom of the projector that dips, if not flat, below 9 and 1/4 that would make that measurement slightly longer. Other than that, I'm anxious to get this going.

Hope this helps

Excuse the pics, they were taken as I was running into work...put they should relieve your stress, I know what that is like!

Oh and I don't have the CABLE COVER on the back, so it looks MUCH MUCH cleaner with it on!

YOU WILL LOVE IT!
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post #251 of 391
3/28/12 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by trenter33 View Post

I am about to start construction on my HT, and want to know what screen size I can go with the 6010? Controlled light, dark wall and ceiling, and no windows. I can put the Epson at 16’ 6” or 17”, is this too far? The seats are 1st row at 12’6” and the 2nd row at 14’6” or 15’. and what screen are ya'll using? Room is 16 x 23, 10' ceiling with a barrel arch the height at the tallest point is 14'.

Ok as you will be able to tell I am worried about the screen, so please help. With the 2400 lumens what is the best screen? Curved, silver, size and gain what ever will help. I know the 6010 is so bright that it will make a different from other projectors. What screen do you have, did you buy (or will you buy) a new screen just for the 6010 or 5010. I am wanting a 134 or 142 screen 16x9. i would like to go with 2.39:1 but cant do the lens at this point in time. 85% movie, 15% games and TV.
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post #252 of 391
3/28/12 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by trenter33 View Post

Ok as you will be able to tell I am worried about the screen, so please help. With the 2400 lumens what is the best screen? Curved, silver, size and gain what ever will help. I know the 6010 is so bright that it will make a different for other projectors.

Start with WHAT size screen are you wanting ?
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post #253 of 391
3/28/12 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

Start with WHAT size screen are you wanting ?

Think Chuck was lookin at 142" diag. For the screen choice, you might want to start here. http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...10/screens.php

Epson 5010 review from Art, but the screen info will apply to the 6010 of course. Also, you might want to post, and read the other thread for the 5010/6010 in the under $3000 forum here, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...377321&page=48 where there is a little more discussion on the pj's and screens. GL
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post #254 of 391
3/28/12 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post

Think Chuck was lookin at 142" diag. For the screen choice, you might want to start here. http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...10/screens.php

Ok, sorry if I missed that...

In my opinion, you are going to need at least a screen with 2.0 gain or more.

That would allow you to run in ECO mode and still get some decent fl

That is assuming a 16' 6" throw and with that size screen you can't go a whole lot closer...although you could move it up a bit, like a foot or so.
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post #255 of 391
3/29/12 at 4:36pm
Thanks a lot "toofast68" for all of your help and going out of your way with the pics. That was amazing help, much appreciated.

As far as the projector, it went up okay and the door clears. As far as performance, it's pretty spectacular in 3D with the few clips I've seen of TinTin. As far as 2D, it's pretty spectacular as well. The Panny 4000 was really good in 2D as well and the difference for me is probably in the pop or vividness so far. I found the Panny had a more colorful and vibrant picture whereas the Epson has a more subdued but natural look to it. Not sure which one I preferred yet in 2D. I am using THX modes in 2D and 3D but I have not used any of the other modes yet.

Lastly, and sadly, I have firmware 103. My sales rep confirmed with his Epson rep that it would arrive with 104 out of the box but that was too good to be true. The screen shows it has 103. Therefore, I am now pursuing getting it upgraded to 104 but it seems like it's just going to be an ordeal. Does 104, besides the other fixes, take care of the green screen on power up that lasts for about 15 seconds before it goes to normal display? Has anybody upgraded to 104 on their own? If so, do you have instructions by any chance? Probably like my Anthem D2v preamp where we still have to upgrade the firmware for it using an RS232 serial connection. If so, I don't mind doing that as long as the firmware file is solid and it's not going to blow up my projector. I've upgraded my Anthem D2v each time a release was available without a glitch. Heck, I have a Toshiba dinosaur laptop with XP (in case we are going to need that for this upgrade) ready to go with the serial connection. Just tell me where to get the file and instructions plz. I'll be all over that until I get it done, that's for sure.

Thanks again ALL and toofast68. Time to enjoy this puppy. By the way, I have a Stewart Firehawk G3 (90 diagonal) so I am not sure if this screen is a good choice for the Epson 6010?
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post #256 of 391
3/29/12 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by MStanic View Post

Thanks a lot "toofast68" for all of your help and going out of your way with the pics. That was amazing help, much appreciated.

As far as the projector, it went up okay and the door clears. As far as performance, it's pretty spectacular in 3D with the few clips I've seen of TinTin. As far as 2D, it's pretty spectacular as well. The Panny 4000 was really good in 2D as well and the difference for me is probably in the pop or vividness so far. I found the Panny had a more colorful and vibrant picture whereas the Epson has a more subdued but natural look to it. Not sure which one I preferred yet in 2D. I am using THX modes in 2D and 3D but I have not used any of the other modes yet.

Lastly, and sadly, I have firmware 103. My sales rep confirmed with his Epson rep that it would arrive with 104 out of the box but that was too good to be true. The screen shows it has 103. Therefore, I am now pursuing getting it upgraded to 104 but it seems like it's just going to be an ordeal. Does 104, besides the other fixes, take care of the green screen on power up that lasts for about 15 seconds before it goes to normal display? Has anybody upgraded to 104 on their own? If so, do you have instructions by any chance? Probably like my Anthem D2v preamp where we still have to upgrade the firmware for it using an RS232 serial connection. If so, I don't mind doing that as long as the firmware file is solid and it's not going to blow up my projector. I've upgraded my Anthem D2v each time a release was available without a glitch. Heck, I have a Toshiba dinosaur laptop with XP (in case we are going to need that for this upgrade) ready to go with the serial connection. Just tell me where to get the file and instructions plz. I'll be all over that until I get it done, that's for sure.

Thanks again ALL and toofast68. Time to enjoy this puppy. By the way, I have a Stewart Firehawk G3 (90 diagonal) so I am not sure if this screen is a good choice for the Epson 6010?

Hey, glad it worked out...yeah I agree the 6010 rocks and looks VERY natural. I had a HARD CORE DLP lover NOT BELIEVE it was a 3 panel LCD...the pic is awesome.

Ok, the GREEN at warmup...totally normal, firmware has no impact on that (at least as far as I know)

As for firmware, at the moment I don't know of any "end user" ability to upgrade yet...I think this is a dealer thing only. So I would go back to the dealer....

Anyways...have fun and enjoy!
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post #257 of 391
3/29/12 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by studlygoorite View Post

I have my 6010 16' from my 142" scope screen and it's wonderful. My room is 16'X21' and i sit 15' away from the screen.

What mode are you using? I'm curious if folks with larger screens are using Living Room or something else. Thanks.
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post #258 of 391
3/30/12 at 4:38pm
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What mode are you using? I'm curious if folks with larger screens are using Living Room or something else. Thanks.

Yes I use Living Room
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post #259 of 391
4/2/12 at 1:36pm
I noticed an interesting issue on my 6010. I was browsing the HBO On Demand 3D catalog on Fios and decided to try it (free!) with How to Train Your Dragon. I wanted to see how it compared to the Blu Rays I have. Once the movie began, it was in widescreen 2.35, so I tried to use the Aspect selection on the 6010 to adjust the image which was playing through my Prismasonic Lens. The projector gave an error message that Aspect "operation not available during this time". I thought it might have to do with already displaying a 3D image, so I stopped the movie, reverted to a standard image and applied the aspect stretch as normal. Worked fine, so I resumed Dragon and found the image had reset to normal and still gave the error that the operation was not available.

I know the Aspect button works on blu ray and other pre-recorded material, but apparently there is something about playing over the cable STB that prevents it during 3D. Anyone else try this or have different results?

On a side note, I've had the 6010 long enough now that I'm satisfied with it and find the 3D much better than anything I saw in my very few theater attempts. So, I'm likely going to go ahead an sell my C3X and probably my DVDO VP50 now. They have both given great service (the C3X still presents at least as good a 2D image, despite the 720P resolution - that lovely DLP).
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post #260 of 391
4/3/12 at 3:02pm
What does it mean if I have like a white jagged line on top of the display sometimes when a standard def 4 x 3 comes up from satellite TV. It comes and goes depending on the feed. It can happen during a commercial(s) or during a standard def 4 x 3 broadcast. I noticed this on my Panny 4000, previous projector, but now I am noticing it on my Epson 6010 but with more consistency on this type of feed. It even looks like the top of the 4 x 3 image is lowered. When playing full HD, no issues.

Any ideas?
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post #261 of 391
4/3/12 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by MStanic View Post

What does it mean if I have like a white jagged line on top of the display sometimes when a standard def 4 x 3 comes up from satellite TV. It comes and goes depending on the feed. It can happen during a commercial(s) or during a standard def 4 x 3 broadcast. I noticed this on my Panny 4000, previous projector, but now I am noticing it on my Epson 6010 but with more consistency on this type of feed. It even looks like the top of the 4 x 3 image is lowered. When playing full HD, no issues.

Any ideas?

I think it is Overscan. I have a VIDEO Processor in my AVR and it takes
it out but I did find an Overscan ON-OFF function in the PJ. I have not
played with it because my AVR does a perfect job of deleting it.
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post #262 of 391
4/3/12 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

I think it is Overscan. I have a VIDEO Processor in my AVR and it takes
it out but I did find an Overscan ON-OFF function in the PJ. I have not
played with it because my AVR does a perfect job of deleting it.

Don't you have the D2v drkhanz? If so, how do I fix it with my D2v as I have this preamp also. I thought I saw you posting in the D2v tweak thread.
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post #263 of 391
4/3/12 at 3:27pm
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Don't you have the D2v drkhanz? If so, how do I fix it with my D2v as I have this preamp also. I thought I saw you posting in the D2v tweak thread.

Yes - I turn EDGES on and the line goes away.
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post #264 of 391
4/3/12 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

Yes - I turn EDGES on and the line goes away.

Worked perfectly, thank you.

How do you tilt the picture on the Epson 6010? I have the blue pattern screen up and I can move it left to right and up and down okay but the bottom right half of the screen seems to be tilted down and running off the bottom or the screen?
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post #265 of 391
4/3/12 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by MStanic View Post

Worked perfectly, thank you.

How do you tilt the picture on the Epson 6010? I have the blue pattern screen up and I can move it left to right and up and down okay but the bottom right half of the screen seems to be tilted down and running off the bottom or the screen?

Usually Ceiling mounts tile in both directions.

I have mine mounted on a Ceiling mount but the PJ is upright.

I use the FEET for Tilting.
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post #266 of 391
4/3/12 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

Usually Ceiling mounts tile in both directions.

I have mine mounted on a Ceiling mount but the PJ is upright.

I use the FEET for Tilting.

Thanks.

I give up. I put the blue pattern on with the white edged square and it looks straight at the top but the line at the bottom from the middle to the right edge seems tilted. How can that be when the top is straight? No matter what direction I move, left/right, up/down, zoom, it just does not sit perfect. It's pretty good but not perfect. What is the objective with the blue pattern and the white edged square? Do you want the lines just on the edge of the screen or should they just disappear into the edge of the screen? Keystone doesn't really help and I've got that set to zero.

Not sure what you mean when you say you adjust tilt by adjusting the feet when your projector is also ceiling mounted? Mine is ceiling mounted but inverted (upside down).
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post #267 of 391
4/3/12 at 5:05pm
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Not sure what you mean when you say you adjust tilt by adjusting the feet when your projector is also ceiling mounted? Mine is ceiling mounted but inverted (upside down).

As I SAID - mine is Ceiling Mounted - UPRIGHT - that means NOT INVERTED.
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post #268 of 391
4/3/12 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by MStanic View Post

Thanks.

I give up. I put the blue pattern on with the white edged square and it looks straight at the top but the line at the bottom from the middle to the right edge seems tilted. How can that be when the top is straight? No matter what direction I move, left/right, up/down, zoom, it just does not sit perfect. It's pretty good but not perfect. What is the objective with the blue pattern and the white edged square? Do you want the lines just on the edge of the screen or should they just disappear into the edge of the screen? Keystone doesn't really help and I've got that set to zero.

Not sure what you mean when you say you adjust tilt by adjusting the feet when your projector is also ceiling mounted? Mine is ceiling mounted but inverted (upside down).

Your projector is not square to the screen...perhaps you need to twist it left or right to square up the edge.
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post #269 of 391
4/3/12 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

Your projector is not square to the screen...perhaps you need to twist it left or right to square up the edge.

That makes sense.

I'm afraid to twist or move it thought cause I don't know how the bracket works as I didn't install it. My installer didn't use the bracket that came with it but instead used the one the Panny 4000 came with. In light of this, do you know if the Panny 4000 bracket allows for twisting left or right? It's so tight to the ceiling that I am afraid any movement will dislodge it and it might fall with time if I move it too much.

If my right bottom is sloping down ever so slight, while the top is straight, then I would think a twis to the left is what's in order or am I visualizing this wrong. Never did like geometry...more of an algebra guy here.

Thanks toofast68 and drhankz.
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post #270 of 391
4/4/12 at 3:48am
honestly call your installer ...I have no idea but the mount ...,anything I might say would be a guess .
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