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post #31 of 147
1/3/12 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by canuck View Post

The price of the unit you linked to is the most tempting yet!! The only thing keeping me from ordering it is my concerns over it's compatibility with the HD66.

I strongly suspect that paperchaser's issues stem from the fact that the specs for the box that he is using state that it outputs 60hz 1080/720p. The box you linked to doesn't say anything about refresh rate or DLP link (although the 3d DLP setting seems encouraging) .

I know that the monoprice unit does in fact output at the required 120hz albeit only at 720p (which is no problem for me as that is the native resolution of the hd66)

My only question is whether or not the input signal for the monoprice unit has to be 120hz or can it upconvert(?) a 60hz signal which is what my wdtv is set to output. Hence my question about your blueray player's output settings.

yes, I think my issue is the 60hz vs the 120hz thats required to trigger the 3D link option on the HD66.

I woke up this morning thinking about it and ordered the Monoprice unit.
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post #32 of 147
1/3/12 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by pb_maxxx View Post

3D overload... yep that's me and about a million other folks without a complete grasp of all the 3D formats... even after weeks of reading.


ok... so here i am with a year old...

1) VIVITEK H1080FD, HDMI 1.3, non 3D ready (ie no DLP-LINK chip), which outputs 1080p @ 60hz (up to 85hz)
2) Panasonic Blu ray (non 3D)

What is my best case scenerio to getting decent (relative) 3D.
Of course, since my PJ's output is 60hz... i'm in for some definite ghosting issues.
Obviously i would buy a 3D Blu ray player but sadly with everything i've read... that's SOL when it comes to my PJ.

Short of completely scrapping everything... & starting over with a new PJ (ie Epson 3010) for $1500... what are my options?
........

My box 2D - 3D ouptuts @ 60hz. You can buy one of those new or purchase mine at a discount ... Let me know before I list it on craigslist
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post #33 of 147
1/3/12 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by paperchaser View Post

My box 2D - 3D ouptuts @ 60hz. You can buy one of those new or purchase mine at a discount ... Let me know before I list it on craigslist

thanx. but unless your box incorporates a has a vesa port... it's not gonna do what i need/want... which is active 3D.

while i might be able live without blu ray 3D for now... i'd like to get more than just anaglyph.
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post #34 of 147
1/3/12 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by paperchaser View Post

yes, I think my issue is the 60hz vs the 120hz thats required to trigger the 3D link option on the HD66.

I woke up this morning thinking about it and ordered the Monoprice unit.

Bummer... I've been checking this thread to see if you'd made any headway. I was really pulling for you to make the less expensive box work .

It looks like the monoprice box is the best option for my HD66. The price is decent but the shipping costs to Canada are sticking in my craw .
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post #35 of 147
1/5/12 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by canuck View Post

Bummer... I've been checking this thread to see if you'd made any headway. I was really pulling for you to make the less expensive box work .

It looks like the monoprice box is the best option for my HD66. The price is decent but the shipping costs to Canada are sticking in my craw .

I just tried my new 3d creator and I cannot get the 3d-dlp to work or the 3d enabled in the hd66 menu . A monoprice tech told me this unit outputs only 60hz not 120hz which is why the 3d isn't enabled in the menu but numerous people have said that this unit put out 120hz and have used shutter glasses with no problem on the hd66 and 3d creator so I don't know if I have a bad hd66 or not ,but I'm going to give the 3d-xl a try to see if it works.
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post #36 of 147
1/5/12 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by canuck View Post

Bummer... I've been checking this thread to see if you'd made any headway. I was really pulling for you to make the less expensive box work .

It looks like the monoprice box is the best option for my HD66. The price is decent but the shipping costs to Canada are sticking in my craw .


Hold on a sec...

My Monoprice unit just came about 15 minutes ago. I was just getting ready to grab a ladder and test it all out.

- Optoma HD66
- Sony PS3
- Panasonic DMP110 Bluray
- Monoprice 3d box

out of the box, it feels like a well built unit...Now, lets see if it works!!
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post #37 of 147
1/5/12 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by paperchaser View Post

Hold on a sec...

My Monoprice unit just came about 15 minutes ago. I was just getting ready to grab a ladder and test it all out.

- Optoma HD66
- Sony PS3
- Panasonic DMP110 Bluray
- Monoprice 3d box

out of the box, it feels like a well built unit...Now, lets see if it works!!

I hope it does, but I don't think it will put out 120hz for the 3d menu to become enabled. I already got my rma so I can return mine for a refund. I'm going to buy a 3d-xl and try that. Let us know how it goes.
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post #38 of 147
1/5/12 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by lewis3845 View Post

I hope it does, but I don't think it will put out 120hz for the 3d menu to become enabled. I already got my rma so I can return mine for a refund. I'm going to buy a 3d-xl and try that. Let us know how it goes.

not good to hear working on it now BRB!!


BTW, whats the best place to get a 3dxl if I need to go that route??
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post #39 of 147
1/5/12 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by paperchaser View Post

not good to hear working on it now BRB!!


BTW, whats the best place to get a 3dxl if I need to go that route??

probably amazon, I seen them for $280 but now it looks like they're going for $290 to $300 shipping included and remember it comes with a pair of optoma glasses.
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post #40 of 147
1/5/12 at 12:41pm
PS3 + Monoprice = FAIL . I selected P and I outputs @ 1080 & 720

Panasonic Bluray next....BRB
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post #41 of 147
1/5/12 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by paperchaser View Post

PS3 + Monoprice = FAIL . I selected P and I outputs @ 1080 & 720

Panasonic Bluray next....BRB

did you select 2d to 3d-dlp on the monprice or if you have 3d material 3d to 3d-dlp?
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post #42 of 147
1/5/12 at 12:53pm
Panasonic Bluray + Monoprice = FAIL . The Panasonic unit will output checkerboard and (the monoprice required) sidebyside 3D
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post #43 of 147
1/5/12 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by paperchaser View Post

Panasonic Bluray + Monoprice = FAIL . The Panasonic unit will output checkerboard and (the monoprice required) sidebyside 3D

do you have a 3d bluray to try?
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post #44 of 147
1/5/12 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by lewis3845 View Post

did you select 2d to 3d-dlp on the monprice or if you have 3d material 3d to 3d-dlp?

The Panasonic unit will output a small 3D "test video" in selectable formats.


So, I have to call BS on the original thread starter. It's the time wasted that makes me upset...I could've had a 3dxl here already and enjoying my vacation.

I'll exchange one of these units for DLP LInk glasses to go with the 3dxl that I'll be ordering today.

I hope all of our REAL testing helps out others

BTW, someone needs to lock this thread, unless the OP comes back and tells how he go it to work. I'm using the same equipment...and again call BS
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post #45 of 147
1/5/12 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by lewis3845 View Post

do you have a 3d bluray to try?

No, I dont.

However, the Panasonic BR unit has a feature that will send out test 3D video in any format that you select. Pretty nice feature
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post #46 of 147
1/5/12 at 1:12pm
it's strange but others have said it worked fine with hd66's also the acer 5360 with no problem. I bought mine 2 months ago I wonder if optoma changed something in the firmware so we can't use the cheap or chinese converters,also there's no way to know what firmware you have on the hd66 it's not recorded and optoma does not keep track of it and they can't even tell you with the serial number.
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post #47 of 147
1/5/12 at 1:29pm
I dunno...these little cheap converters are pretty new to the market. Im sure it will work fine for some DLP that doesnt require a 210 trigger to activate the 3D menu option...just not us Optoma owners
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post #48 of 147
1/5/12 at 1:34pm
OK, so now the question is WHAT type of source will the 3DXL accept? If I can use my PS3, I'll just return the BluRay and one of the 2D/3D boxes....since I'll be exchanging one for DLP Link glasses.

I had planned on making my house a B.Y.O.G. Theater
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post #49 of 147
1/5/12 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by paperchaser View Post

OK, so now the question is WHAT type of source will the 3DXL accept? If I can use my PS3, I'll just return the BluRay and one of the 2D/3D boxes....since I'll be exchanging one for DLP Link glasses.

I had planned on making my house a B.Y.O.G. Theater

the 3d-xl will accept bluray 3d frame pack and sbs and I think tb top and bottom although I'm not sure on that.That was the problem with the monoprice 3d creator it would not pass or accept frame packed that's why the 3d material had to be sbs
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post #50 of 147
1/5/12 at 2:00pm
I fed a SBS signal into it...made 4 on the screen...3D was still unavailable in the menu.


What do you think about feeding the monoprice (SBS) into a 3dxl to convert a 2D into a 3D signal that the 3DXL can feed into the HD66??

my goal is being able to watch my existing DVD collection in 3D
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post #51 of 147
1/5/12 at 2:38pm
there should not be 4 images on screen, panasonic should be on sbs and monoprice if it's a 2d material should be on 2d to 3d-dlp if it's 3d material it should be on 3d to 3d-dlp or try the panasonic on regular output mode with the 2d to 3d-dlp. I think using the monoprice and 3d-xl might work. I'm keeping one of my units to try out when the 3d-xl gets here.
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post #52 of 147
1/5/12 at 3:04pm
I actually had 2 3d creators connected to each other one for converting material sbs sending it to the other one which was to take the sbs and make 1 3d image and that did work the 3d image is there, but only at 60hz not 120hz so I cannot turn on the 3d on in the hd66 menu amd cannot see it well because of the flicker of the 60hz on my dlp-link glasses.
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post #53 of 147
1/5/12 at 5:55pm
Well, I just ordered a 3DXL...will report back early next when it gets here
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post #54 of 147
1/6/12 at 5:18am
One thing it could be is the hd66 doesn't tell the monoprice converter it is connected to 120hz capable display so it never outputs 120hz. Its the only explanation because a bunch of other monoprice users claim they have 120hz. Especially with the Acer H5360.
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post #55 of 147
1/6/12 at 5:26am
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

One thing it could be is the hd66 doesn't tell the monoprice converter it is connected to 120hz capable display so it never outputs 120hz. Its the only explanation because a bunch of other monoprice users claim they have 120hz. Especially with the Acer H5360.

This could be possible, but I've spoken with 3 other hd66 and 3d creator owners who have no problem with their 3d set up so I'm confused.
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post #56 of 147
1/6/12 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by lewis3845 View Post

it's strange but others have said it worked fine with hd66's also the acer 5360 with no problem. I bought mine 2 months ago I wonder if optoma changed something in the firmware so we can't use the cheap or chinese converters,also there's no way to know what firmware you have on the hd66 it's not recorded and optoma does not keep track of it and they can't even tell you with the serial number.

I bought my HD66 as a refurb so I guess there's no telling what firmware version is on it. It would totally suck if Optoma crippled these units so as to only play nice with their box....but I wouldn't put it past them or any company.

I'm guessing you guys are all in the states and can ship your units back to monoprice for a full refund. If so, it only cost you time. Still I am greatful to you guys for your efforts, so that the rest of us don't get burned!

Up here, I'd have to pay $25 for shipping and I'm guessing the same amount back if it didn't work with my projector's firmware. That's too much for me to give it a try.
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post #57 of 147
1/6/12 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by canuck View Post

I bought my HD66 as a refurb so I guess there's no telling what firmware version is on it. It would totally suck if Optoma crippled these units so as to only play nice with their box....but I wouldn't put it past them or any company.

I'm guessing you guys are all in the states and can ship your units back to monoprice for a full refund. If so, it only cost you time. Still I am greatful to you guys for your efforts, so that the rest of us don't get burned!

Up here, I'd have to pay $25 for shipping and I'm guessing the same amount back if it didn't work with my projector's firmware. That's too much for me to give it a try.

I know you're as excited as I am to get the whole 3D thing going at home...but if you can hold off until Tuesday when my 3DXL gets here, I can run tests with all of these units. no reason for ALL of us to have a headache!! I dont mind taking one for the team LoL!

ive got a lot of stuff that I can run thru and take suggestions if you all have them.

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post #58 of 147
1/6/12 at 9:53pm
Strangely, I have NEVER seen my H5360 display that the video was at 120Hz. I have fed it a lot of SBS video ( from youtube ) at 720P from my Revo connected to the monoprice convertor. Use the 3D program button ( at the moment I can't remember which ( there are only 2 ). Make sure that the projector has 3d enabled. On the H5360 you need to feed it a signal in order to get to the menus ( once you enable 3d, it will remain that way until you change the setting, even after powering down the projector) Enable 3d. The easiest way is to turn on the monoprice box and then use the bypass to have it send 720p 2d to the projector.

After the projector is set to enable 3d, select the right 3d program button on the monoprice convertor. Turn on you glasses and be happy.
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post #59 of 147
1/6/12 at 9:59pm
BTW, the monoprice 3d creator will not pass 1080p FP 3d, so just hooking up a bluray ( unless it supports sbs ) or PS3 will not work. It will work with SBS, but not with top-bottom or frame packed, or checkerboard.
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post #60 of 147
1/7/12 at 4:41am
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Originally Posted by Sailn View Post

Strangely, I have NEVER seen my H5360 display that the video was at 120Hz. I have fed it a lot of SBS video ( from youtube ) at 720P from my Revo connected to the monoprice convertor. Use the 3D program button ( at the moment I can't remember which ( there are only 2 ). Make sure that the projector has 3d enabled. On the H5360 you need to feed it a signal in order to get to the menus ( once you enable 3d, it will remain that way until you change the setting, even after powering down the projector) Enable 3d. The easiest way is to turn on the monoprice box and then use the bypass to have it send 720p 2d to the projector.

After the projector is set to enable 3d, select the right 3d program button on the monoprice convertor. Turn on you glasses and be happy.

That might work for h5360 owners but for people who have hd66's we cannot access the 3d menu on the hd66 it's not available until the hd66 receives a 120hz 3d signal then the 3d menu becomes available. I have confirmed this with optoma.
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