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post #121 of 1482
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

I agree with most of this. While blu rays generally look very good, tv performance is a huge mixed bag which was not observable on my previous tv. Part of me wants to buy into the fact that this set is just too big to work for regular tv, but another part of me cringes when spending 2000$ and not being satisfied. That's why I am giving the Panasonic 65ST30 a try. Only 5" smaller, and lots of positive reviews from well known sources such as home theater mag and cnet and costs the same 2000$ from amazon. The fact that no one has a review for this set is also a hit concerning. At the end of the day, I'll let my eyes be the judge

I agree with you and the poster above you that the SD picture quality is bad. I have no problem with standard definition TV channels with my other TV, but on this one it seems to be very bad. Is there a particular reason for this? Is the processing simply just not good?
post #122 of 1482
Stopsweatingme where did u get that stand?
Ive found several different stands but i have yet to find one that can accomodate my center speaker. Its 26' wide a tiny bit over 9' tall. Trying not to go with glass stands thou, glass shatters.
post #123 of 1482
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Originally Posted by mockamonkey View Post


I agree with you and the poster above you that the SD picture quality is bad. I have no problem with standard definition TV channels with my other TV, but on this one it seems to be very bad. Is there a particular reason for this? Is the processing simply just not good?

It's not even SD that is bad, HD performance as well is all over the map
post #124 of 1482
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Originally Posted by Maxx2 View Post


DirecTV HD Performance-
This is where I am at a loss for words... There appears to be such a large variation between channels and content that I am sometimes asking myself is this tv is truly a keeper. The size of the screen definitely accentuates any imperfections of a low quality signal. The colors also seem to vary quite a bit from channel to channel. The odd thing about this is I haven't changed anything from the DirecTV side so I'm not sure why it wasn't as noticeable on my 42" Panasonic plasma.

This TV is 2 times bigger then your other set. When you blow a compressed signal up, of course it is going to look worse.
post #125 of 1482
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

It's not even SD that is bad, HD performance as well is all over the map

This concerns me and would like to hear more from others. I plan to buy this mainly for HD OTA TV program and it would be a huge letdown if it does not work well. Wonder how this compares to other 70" LCD in the market ?
post #126 of 1482
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Originally Posted by flyingfinn View Post


This TV is 2 times bigger then your other set. When you blow a compressed signal up, of course it is going to look worse.

True, but to my eyes it looks worse than even much larger projector screens showing similar material
post #127 of 1482
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post


For what it's worth, here are the settings I came up with from the Disney WOW DVD:

Mode: movie (used to be game, but it looks like there truly is a difference in PQ in movie vs game even with the same settings! Bummer because every other mode has bad lag on the ps3 while gaming)
Backlight: -4 (helps tame the clouds, another annoyance with this set)
Contrast: 32
Brightness: 1
Color: 7
Tint: 5
Sharpness: 1

Advanced:

CMS values: beyond my ability, left unchanged
Color temp: mid-low (personal preference to lower temp color pallet, YMMV)
ME: off
AC: off
Gamma Adjustment: 0 (Disney DVD display pattern didn't work right for this, did others have problems?)
Film mode: off
DNR: low (helps take some grain out of the picture at the expense of sharpness, noticed the graininess at the store but thought it was mainly due to cal - sadly it looks like its part of the performance)

Let me know if this helps any of y'all

Wow...we have a bit of discrepancy with regards to color/tint. When looking through the "blue" filter on the WOW disc, in order to make all bars blue, I had to set my color to +25 and tint to +20. I started from zero on both settings and could not get it to "blue bars" with such a low setting. Is this just due to individual TV's being different? Anyone have any thoughts?
post #128 of 1482
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Originally Posted by flyingfinn View Post

This TV is 2 times bigger then your other set. When you blow a compressed signal up, of course it is going to look worse.

I also noticed this and having issues trying to find best settings for HD on Uverse. I get a mixed bag of sharpness/color/hidef resolution. It looks great when you watch the news in true hidef fashion..but once they go to other programs which use SD..it looks blurry and not good. You are right in that once you blow up the picture, it looks bad. Football looks decent on HD but some commercials look very bad.

So how do we dial in settings for HD cable channels? Anyone? BTW, BR is stunning and watching a 2:35 aspect ratio is great at this size... don't have to squint anymore as I used to on my 46" Sharp LCD (bought 4 years ago).
post #129 of 1482
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Originally Posted by fsong1169 View Post

This concerns me and would like to hear more from others. I plan to buy this mainly for HD OTA TV program and it would be a huge letdown if it does not work well. Wonder how this compares to other 70" LCD in the market ?

HD is great depending on source. News looks great but once they show reports with SD, it suffers. I don't know what the best picture size is for compromise. I was going to get the 60" version of this Sharp but thought that it would not be too much bigger than my 46" and with the great bang for buck on this set, it appeared to be a "no brainer". Again, BR is awesome and stunning once I calibrated using WOW disc. I can't complain using BR and the size...it's like being in a theater and sitting up close!
post #130 of 1482
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Originally Posted by fsong1169 View Post

This concerns me and would like to hear more from others. I plan to buy this mainly for HD OTA TV program and it would be a huge letdown if it does not work well. Wonder how this compares to other 70" LCD in the market ?

I think sharp is the only lcd/led thats 70' plus. I think they make a 65' plasma but it cost about 10k if prices have fallen.
This kinda reminds ne of full frame sensor dslr. You old camera lens was great until you strapped it to one of those and exploit the flaws of the lens. This tv can show you some of the flaws of the signal displayef.
post #131 of 1482
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Originally Posted by rbanez View Post


I also noticed this and having issues trying to find best settings for HD on Uverse. I get a mixed bag of sharpness/color/hidef resolution. It looks great when you watch the news in true hidef fashion..but once they go to other programs which use SD..it looks blurry and not good. You are right in that once you blow up the picture, it looks bad. Football looks decent on HD but some commercials look very bad.

So how do we dial in settings for HD cable channels? Anyone? BTW, BR is stunning and watching a 2:35 aspect ratio is great at this size... don't have to squint anymore as I used to on my 46" Sharp LCD (bought 4 years ago).

To me football is wry disappointing on this set, as are many Hd shows - honestly, I have the reverse opinion - most commercials actually look better! There are some channels/programs which have very good looking moments, but even within that same program other scenes do not shine. Just seems to be very inconsistent performance all around - I will report back on the comparison with this set vs the Panasonic 65ST30 when it arrives - though I have a feeling the Sharp will be going back, based on all the glowing reviews of the plasma.
post #132 of 1482
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Originally Posted by ellover009 View Post

I think sharp is the only lcd/led thats 70' plus. I think they make a 65' plasma but it cost about 10k if prices have fallen.
This kinda reminds ne of full frame sensor dslr. You old camera lens was great until you strapped it to one of those and exploit the flaws of the lens. This tv can show you some of the flaws of the signal displayef.

I agree. This TV will accentuate any signal flaws and you just treat it as that. You can always go smaller like 55" but then again you are compromising size. I also noticed flaws on my 46" LCD for signals but just smaller in size. I will need to adapt to this and think of the positives instead. For the price/size, it was a no brainer for me. BR/PS3 gaming and most HD channels look good though.
post #133 of 1482
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

I work with these televisions on weekends, and am about 8 feet away in the aisle from the display panel when playing demo stuff..see attached suggested seating chart fromt the Sharp site..

Isn't it funny how as the sets get bigger, suddenly the 'recommended' seating distance gets shorter for the older sets? I remember when 55" was recommended for 10' or more.
post #134 of 1482
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Originally Posted by ellover009 View Post

I think sharp is the only lcd/led thats 70' plus. I think they make a 65' plasma but it cost about 10k if prices have fallen.
This kinda reminds ne of full frame sensor dslr. You old camera lens was great until you strapped it to one of those and exploit the flaws of the lens. This tv can show you some of the flaws of the signal displayef.

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Originally Posted by rbanez View Post

HD is great depending on source. News looks great but once they show reports with SD, it suffers. I don't know what the best picture size is for compromise. I was going to get the 60" version of this Sharp but thought that it would not be too much bigger than my 46" and with the great bang for buck on this set, it appeared to be a "no brainer". Again, BR is awesome and stunning once I calibrated using WOW disc. I can't complain using BR and the size...it's like being in a theater and sitting up close!

Thanks for the feedback. Will be watching this thread for the next few weeks while waiting for a deal to come by here in canada ...
post #135 of 1482
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Originally Posted by fsong1169 View Post

Thanks for the feedback. Will be watching this thread for the next few weeks while waiting for a deal to come by here in canada ...

No problem. I will continue to post my experience once I get to watch more BR movies and settle in. I've only had the set since BF or 11/25. I've calibrated it twice using WOW disc but will watch more BR movies in the next few weeks. I will keep you posted.
post #136 of 1482
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Originally Posted by rbanez View Post

No problem. I will continue to post my experience once I get to watch more BR movies and settle in. I've only had the set since BF or 11/25. I've calibrated it twice using WOW disc but will watch more BR movies in the next few weeks. I will keep you posted.

Thanks again. Looking forward to update from you and other folks who has got this set. I'm getting increasing frustrated with my 42" while sitting about 11' away watching hockey game.
post #137 of 1482
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Originally Posted by fsong1169 View Post

Thanks again. Looking forward to update from you and other folks who has got this set. I'm getting increasing frustrated with my 42" while sitting about 11' away watching hockey game.

I feel your pain. I had a 46" LCD sitting 12 feet away and I was squinting or sitting at the edge of the couch leaning forward most of the time during football/basketball/baseball games.
post #138 of 1482
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Originally Posted by rbanez View Post

I feel your pain. I had a 46" LCD sitting 12 feet away and I was squinting or sitting at the edge of the couch leaning forward most of the time during football/basketball/baseball games.

I currently have a 36-incher and I'm watching it from 13 feet. Pass the binoculars! The new 70-inch Sharp will be delivered on Thursday.
post #139 of 1482
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Originally Posted by flyingfinn View Post

This TV is 2 times bigger then your other set. When you blow a compressed signal up, of course it is going to look worse.

Appreciate the input, but I have a 58" Panny plasma as well and with the same signal looks siginificantly more consistent. Not sure why but these are the facts.

mjodotcom,

I am very curious to hear what you think of the 65ST30 when compared to this set. I am looking at the 65ST30 as well....
post #140 of 1482
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Originally Posted by jwc3 View Post

I currently have a 36-incher and I'm watching it from 13 feet. Pass the binoculars! The new 70-inch Sharp will be delivered on Thursday.

Congrats! Let me know what you think once you get it. I am still in AWE!!!
post #141 of 1482
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Originally Posted by Maxx2 View Post


Appreciate the input, but I have a 58" Panny plasma as well and with the same signal looks siginificantly more consistent. Not sure why but these are the facts.

mjodotcom,

I am very curious to hear what you think of the 65ST30 when compared to this set. I am looking at the 65ST30 as well....

Exactly - any size difference should be able to be replicated by sitting closer to the smaller tv to create the same relative viewing experience.
post #142 of 1482
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Originally Posted by rbanez View Post

Congrats! Let me know what you think once you get it. I am still in AWE!!!

Will do!
post #143 of 1482
Anyone compare off angle of the 632 to the 73x 70"?
post #144 of 1482
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

Also, this whole new diamond crosshatch pattern best seen with a white background is very annoying now that I am tuned into it. It's like the DSE to the max.

For what it's worth, here are the settings I came up with from the Disney WOW DVD:

Mode: movie (used to be game, but it looks like there truly is a difference in PQ in movie vs game even with the same settings! Bummer because every other mode has bad lag on the ps3 while gaming)
Backlight: -4 (helps tame the clouds, another annoyance with this set)
Contrast: 32
Brightness: 1
Color: 7
Tint: 5
Sharpness: 1

Advanced:

CMS values: beyond my ability, left unchanged
Color temp: mid-low (personal preference to lower temp color pallet, YMMV)
ME: off
AC: off
Gamma Adjustment: 0 (Disney DVD display pattern didn't work right for this, did others have problems?)
Film mode: off
DNR: low (helps take some grain out of the picture at the expense of sharpness, noticed the graininess at the store but thought it was mainly due to cal - sadly it looks like its part of the performance)


Let me know if this helps any of y'all

I don't have a calibration disc, but appreciate that you posted this info. I also kept mine in Movie mode, and even after setting Standard to the precise same values, it looked significantly different. I haven't an easy way to test the lag, but am bummed by the fact that you report lag outside of game mode is significant, since I'd like to not have to switch settings.

Do you think that, in Movie mode, if all the processing features are off (including DNR), there will still be lag? And why if the settings are the same between modes would there be visual or lag differences? Are there hidden settings?

Regardless, it's a great tv and huge upgrade from my old set.
post #145 of 1482
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Originally Posted by Maxx2 View Post

Purchased my LC-70LE632U at Costco over a week ago and have done quite a bit a viewing in that time frame. I am a die-hard "plasma only" guy and the only reason I even gave this tv a try was the price. At $1899 for a 70" 1080p LCD it is a pretty easy decision to make...

Ditto...I'm a plasma guy, with a 58" panel, and wanted bigger. I'd get a 70" plasma, if I could, but since I couldn't, I took a chance on this, at the Costco pricepoint. I love it.

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Originally Posted by Maxx2 View Post

Blu-Ray Performance-
The BR DVD picture quality is truly exceptional. While watching BR DVDs the blacks are very dark and almost plasma like. The 70" "Elite" may be better in this regard, but this set is very respectable even for an avid plasma viewer. Colors appear very life-like and details are rendered with exceptional accuracy. Overall, this is how this tv must be viewed to give a fair review of the PQ. The word "Stunning" came to mind while watching close up scenes of Leo DiCaprio in the movie Inception.

I agree completely...BR DVD's are unbelieveable, and very immersive at 70". PQ matches that of my plasma.

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Originally Posted by Maxx2 View Post

DirecTV HD Performance-
This is where I am at a loss for words... There appears to be such a large variation between channels and content that I am sometimes asking myself is this tv is truly a keeper. The size of the screen definitely accentuates any imperfections of a low quality signal. The colors also seem to vary quite a bit from channel to channel. The odd thing about this is I haven't changed anything from the DirecTV side so I'm not sure why it wasn't as noticeable on my 42" Panasonic plasma.

I have Cox HD cable, and the HD PQ is generally excellent. Most of the HD channels I watch are of stellar quality. There are some variations in color and clarity, but it depends on the channel being broadcast. My plasma had the same, or similar, PQ, varying by channel. No big difference on this panel.

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Originally Posted by Maxx2 View Post

Off Angle Viewing-
This is my biggest gripe with this set. IMO it is absolutely terrible when looking at this set from any angle besides head-on. I have never experienced this with my plasma (obviously) and this will take some getting used to. I realize this is a common complaint regarding LCD panels, but it is new for me and a very significant drawback.

Agree re this being my biggest gripe. I notice it starting at about 30 degrees off-center, and worsening from there. That said, I'm OK with it, as all of my viewing is from the sweet spot. But it IS a big drawback...you just need to be aware of it, and decide whether it's a deal breaker, or not.

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Originally Posted by Maxx2 View Post

To summarize, I think this is a very good tv with an excellent price/size ratio which cannot be overlooked. At this pricepoint there are NO alternatives with a PQ in Blu-Ray which must be seen to believe. I am currently awaiting the arrival of my Disney WOW HD Blu-Ray setup dvds and will continue to experiment with the various color settings. I will post updates when I have them.

I got this to get 70" at a price point I could afford, and I have not been disappointed, either by the Blu-Ray, or the HD channels. It is what I had hoped for, and more, with the exception of the off-angle viewing. Also, I don't bother to EVER watch SD on this thing...never did on my plasma, either. If I can't get it in HD, it ain't worth watching...
post #146 of 1482
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

I agree with most of this. While blu rays generally look very good, tv performance is a huge mixed bag which was not observable on my previous tv. Part of me wants to buy into the fact that this set is just too big to work for regular tv, but another part of me cringes when spending 2000$ and not being satisfied. That's why I am giving the Panasonic 65ST30 a try. Only 5" smaller, and lots of positive reviews from well known sources such as home theater mag and cnet and costs the same 2000$ from amazon. The fact that no one has a review for this set is also a hit concerning. At the end of the day, I'll let my eyes be the judge

HD performance is great, IMO, and the same as, or similar to, my 58" Sammy plasma. If you want SD performance, this ain't the set...

65" is 65"...it ain't 70"!! Now that I'm at 70", I could never settle for less.
post #147 of 1482
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

Also, this whole new diamond crosshatch pattern best seen with a white background is very annoying now that I am tuned into it. It's like the DSE to the max.

I've never seen this, and I even looked for it, after you posted about it. And I'm a picky plasma guy, too...
post #148 of 1482
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Originally Posted by mockamonkey View Post

I agree with you and the poster above you that the SD picture quality is bad. I have no problem with standard definition TV channels with my other TV, but on this one it seems to be very bad. Is there a particular reason for this? Is the processing simply just not good?

SD is not going to look good on any 70" flat panel. This is not an issue for me, as I don't watch any SD content.
post #149 of 1482
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

HD performance as well is all over the map

I disagree...my HD channels look like they looked on my Sammy plasma. There is some variety of quality, but it is based on the channel, not the panel. FYI - I have Cox HD cable in the Phoenix area...it's good.
post #150 of 1482
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Originally Posted by fsong1169 View Post

Wonder how this compares to other 70" LCD in the market ?

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Originally Posted by ellover009 View Post

I think sharp is the only lcd/led thats 70' plus. I think they make a 65' plasma but it cost about 10k if prices have fallen.

The Sharp's are IT, other than the $7K Elite (also a Sharp, BTW).

Best you can get right now in (affordable) plasma is 65/64" (Panny/Sammy).

If I could get a 70" plasma for less than $3K, I would go for that. But I can't, for the foreseeable future.
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