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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

So, I put in my "most familiar" piece of content: The Eagles, Farewell One on HD DVD. I keep my HD DVD player in my system *just* so I can watch this disc. It's my single favorite concert disc. I owned on it DVD and when it came out on HD DVD, I bought a player just to be able to watch it in Hi-Def and listen to the DTS-MA track. I've watched it literally dozens of times, having used it as my primary concert video demo disc. I know it inside and out, so it was very easy to see the difference with the Darbee.

Adding the Darbee improved the video significantly! The most noticeable improvements were sharpness in the details of facial features, and the textures of the clothes the guys were wearing, and the grains, textures and wear-marks on the guitars and violins. Also, when the camera does long pans of the audience, the detail in those pans was much improved. In addition, I thought the shadow detail was hugely improved. Usually to get better shadow detail, you need to raise the black level a little. No need for that now. Shadow detail is much better AND blacks are still deep black. smile.gif

My biggest concern before seeing the device in use was that it would add some EE ringing or other artifacts. I didn't see *any* of that, (unless I turned it all the way up.) Running it at 65 or so just added detail, sharpness and an increase in perceived detail.
Overall, on first blush, I'm pretty impressed.

The Eagles concert is the last HD DVD I have in my collection. great concert for visuals and sounds.

I was skeptical of the Darbee device, just as I was when e-shift was first announced. Now it turns out that both technologies combined create some of the best 2D i've seen on my 142" screen.

This is a repost of some comparisons of the darby + e-shift I posted in the DVP thread. it's hard to capture either technique with screenshots, but this is a decent attempt to get a basic idea of what's going on with both technologies. I've used the darby on 4 different front projectors and it looks good with all of them, but it's exceptional when combined with e-shift.



the green shadow on the nose is not misconvergence, it's CA from my camera lens. This is a scene from The Crossroads 2010 tour (excellent video and sound quality)

It's best to download the first 3 and A/B/C with your favorite jpg viewing software. The first 3 are with the camera about 3 feet from the screen.

Darbee off / e-eshift off

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Darbee on (35%) / e-shift off - if you A/B these photos, you can see there are changes around the eye, nose, etc. Look at the wrinkle under the eye.

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Darbee on / eshift on - it's easy to assume the e-shift 'softens' the image by this shot, but it's actually quite the opposite. From seating distance, there is a noticeable perception of increased image resolution and image depth as seen in the next photos. Notice all pixel structure is gone.

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Darbee on / eshift off - Zoomed shot from Seating distance ~14 feet from the 142" 16:9 dalite.

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Darbeee on / eshift on - the image is obviously sharper with detail under the eyes, behind the ear and look closely at the hat texture.

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Darbee + e-shift (MPC set to 2) at seating distance. Can't beat the 2D PQ with the Darbee + RS55 for under 10K.

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JVC demo showing e-shift off/on. The close ups are deceiving, the image is always better IMO with e-shift on at seating distance. I sit ~ 1.25 SW from the 142". The Darbee + JVC's eshift are a perfect combo.

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post #3212 of 3551
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Originally Posted by tigger1612 View Post

here was his description of the problem:
"The Grayscale adjustments are changing the primary and secondary colors of the color gamut. Specifically the manipulation of the Blue Gain Control in the Custom 1 Color Temperature changes the Blue primary to purple. As a consequence accurate grayscale tracking is impossible to achieve."
Is this normal behavior for a calibration on a RS55?

I have had 2 X70's with the same problem. With the first, the ISF calibrator said this behavior indicated the unit was defective. My dealer actually got JVC to replace the unit. I then had another calibrator come and do the new unit (just in case the calibrator was defective:) and he made a similar comment about the new one, although he did work around the best he could. He ultimately was able to get a pretty good gray scale, and some of the color locked in, but he specifically mentioned not being able to get green to calibrate properly.

Does anyone have more info about this behavior? Is there something else I should do now that 2 units have exhibited this?
post #3213 of 3551
Thread Starter 
Can't wait to see what JVC brings out this year. Hopefully a new design and NEW BULB.

Anyway, is this what you guys are raving about?

https://shop.avscience.com/DarbeeVision--Darblet-DVP5000_p_351.html

From all the hype I was expecting a 1000.00 or above price tag but at 269 I think I'll buy 3. LOL.

Can't wait to order one. When does AVS expect stock?
post #3214 of 3551
Thread Starter 
Jason,

What was your final impressions with the JVC eshift vs. the Sony native 4k? As there is not really much 4K content eshift should be good for a few more years until native 4K comes out.
post #3215 of 3551
Jason,

With the Darbee on/ e-shift on, the images look brighter/ whiter. Is that due to Darbee or e-shift ?
post #3216 of 3551
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Can't wait to see what JVC brings out this year. Hopefully a new design and NEW BULB.
Anyway, is this what you guys are raving about?
https://shop.avscience.com/DarbeeVision--Darblet-DVP5000_p_351.html
From all the hype I was expecting a 1000.00 or above price tag but at 269 I think I'll buy 3. LOL.
Can't wait to order one. When does AVS expect stock?

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post #3217 of 3551
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Originally Posted by Ranger View Post

Jason,
With the Darbee on/ e-shift on, the images look brighter/ whiter. Is that due to Darbee or e-shift ?

It could be an optical illusion with the e-shift. With the e-shift on, the image becomes more 'solid'. It's less digital looking is the best way to describe it. We've heard from a number of long time CRT owners that the 55/65 is the first digital projector they could settle with after giving up their CRT's.

The Darbee does tweak the pixel luminance to varying degrees which explains how the processors creates a perception in increased depth. It's most obvious in facial features, hair texture,etc.

Their unique processing looks better on the 55 vs. the other projectors I've tested it with, mainly due to the e-shift. This combo works great for big screens and close seating distance. Nice and sharp with excellent blacks.

I just watched this concert again last night. Buddy Guy breaks his guitar string while jamming to 'missing you' with Ronnie Wood. He gets a replacement guitar and then kills it for the rest of the song. ~14 feet from the 142", it feels like i'm there. smile.gif

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post #3218 of 3551
Holy cowbell, Batman - err Zombie10k! It feels like I'm standing next to Buddy and I'm looking through a laptop display. Seeing your display in person must be surreal.
post #3219 of 3551
That looks pretty good especially with the comparison pictures thank you. I may have to buy a Darbee and see for myself. I should see an improvement right? I using a 123" at 16 feet away.
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Originally Posted by bigdogaxis View Post

Holy cowbell, Batman - err Zombie10k! It feels like I'm standing next to Buddy and I'm looking through a laptop display. Seeing your display in person must be surreal.

I'm happy with this setup, I like big screens with a bright and clear image. it's very engaging, especially when the sound quality matches the PQ.

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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

That looks pretty good especially with the comparison pictures thank you. I may have to buy a Darbee and see for myself. I should see an improvement right? I using a 123" at 16 feet away.

you'll definitely see a noticeable improvement with that setup. Start with HD mode, around 30-35%. Use remote to rapidly turn the Darbee processor ON/OFF. This is an easy way to see where you like your settings best.
post #3221 of 3551
Im looking at getting one of these projectors, I have no intrest in 3D side of it its just soley for 2D has anyone upgraded from a jvc hd 350 to a X70 ?

Wanting to know if the improvement was notiecable or night and day improvement ?

Thank you
post #3222 of 3551
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Im looking at getting one of these projectors, I have no intrest in 3D side of it its just soley for 2D has anyone upgraded from a jvc hd 350 to a X70 ?
Wanting to know if the improvement was notiecable or night and day improvement ?
Thank you

Hi Frank. I have had an RS10, same as the hd 350, since they came out and was able to view a x70 at a theater store recently. Also viewed the RS45 in a separate room but the same content. On the one hand I was struck by how similar the pic is to our old PJ for static scenes, but in more dynamic scenes, the clarity of detail in motion was noticable better for the new ones. Viewed Avatar, so not blacks intensive material so hard to say how noticable the better contrast was between the two. The e-shift was cool to see how it made the pixels almost disappear but the Avatar scenes looked pretty similar for both models on the 100" ish screens we looked at so not where the e-shift will really shine, imo.

Seems like I hear folks saying JVC motion is still not as good as other MFG's but, compared to our units, looks to be much improved. Hopefully, others will chime in that have more experience with both. Good luck!
post #3223 of 3551
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

Hi Frank. I have had an RS10, same as the hd 350, since they came out and was able to view a x70 at a theater store recently. Also viewed the RS45 in a separate room but the same content. On the one hand I was struck by how similar the pic is to our old PJ for static scenes, but in more dynamic scenes, the clarity of detail in motion was noticable better for the new ones. Viewed Avatar, so not blacks intensive material so hard to say how noticable the better contrast was between the two. The e-shift was cool to see how it made the pixels almost disappear but the Avatar scenes looked pretty similar for both models on the 100" ish screens we looked at so not where the e-shift will really shine, imo.
Seems like I hear folks saying JVC motion is still not as good as other MFG's but, compared to our units, looks to be much improved. Hopefully, others will chime in that have more experience with both. Good luck!

Thank you GoCaboNow. If it ends up being noticable better ill still hang on to my unit and wait.
post #3224 of 3551
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Thank you GoCaboNow. If it ends up being noticable better ill still hang on to my unit and wait.
Frank,

How much did the Darbee change/improve your image on the HD-350/RS-10?

Craig
post #3225 of 3551
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Frank,
How much did the Darbee change/improve your image on the HD-350/RS-10?
Craig

Hi craig yeah its done a noticeable improvement especially on blu ray. I might actually hold off and wait because these things are upgrading too fast.
post #3226 of 3551
The bulb issue was fixed on RS55/X70, or still not?
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What is the bulb issue?

Is there anyone who can summarize the various issues in the x70 discussed in this very long thread?
post #3228 of 3551
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What is the bulb issue?
Is there anyone who can summarize the various issues in the x70 discussed in this very long thread?
Issues, what issues?
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The JVC 's two last generations of bulbs seem to present issues.
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Originally Posted by waltie View Post

The JVC 's two last generations of bulbs seem to present issues.

I would say that the first 2 generations of JVC lamps had reliability issues (the 001 and 002 series). There are two versions of the newer 003 series. The initial 003 series lamps came out about the first of the year then an updated version of the 003 series came out in late March/early April 2012 that added a flapper in the cooling vent. So far it appears the 003 series lamps, especially the lastest version with the flapper, are OK but since they are fairly new perhaps not enough owners have run up enough hours of use to get a real good sense of just how much more reliable they are than the earlier generations.
post #3232 of 3551
Some people in the lamp testing thread are still showing fast drop-offs on the newer lamps, although so few people have enough hours on them to know. My solution to the issue for now is to use a cheaper projector for TV and non-critical viewing.
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

My solution to the issue for now is to use a cheaper projector for TV and non-critical viewing.

For you might works, but I don't call this a "solution" at all.
post #3234 of 3551
I am curious as to whether folks are running their projector on Standard or Super White. Is it worthwhile to get the projector to pass above 235? I am assuming people aren't using Extended to get Below Black because the manual indicates that is for PC color timing.
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Originally Posted by dweltman View Post

I am curious as to whether folks are running their projector on Standard or Super White. Is it worthwhile to get the projector to pass above 235? I am assuming people aren't using Extended to get Below Black because the manual indicates that is for PC color timing.

It is OK to use either the super white or the enhanced HDMI modes as long as you use a test disc (such as the AVS HD calibration disc) to calibrate for reference black and white levels. Regardless of the HDMI mode used, you should always calibrate for a reference black level of 16. As for allowing whiter-than-white levels above to 235 to be displayed there is a trade-off. A few video sources may on occassion include peak white levels above 235. However if, for example you decrease the contrast control setting to allow all levels up to 255 to be displayed then the projector's light output for reference white level (level 235) will not be a bright (less lumens) than if you had calibrated to only display levels up to 235 or just a litter higher. Thus if you calibrate for well above 235, you will overall get a dimmer image but not risk clipping any occassional whiter-than-white video content that might be present.
post #3236 of 3551
Well I assume this thread is dead - just 9 months old and that's all she wrote, due to Cedia 2012???
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Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post

Well I assume this thread is dead - just 9 months old and that's all she wrote, due to Cedia 2012???

The RS55 is old news now. It is obsolete. The upcoming RS48 and RS56 are the new "it" projectors to talk about.....that is until next year when they become obsolete due to newer projectors....in which a year after that they will become obsolete due to even better projectors......and so on....and so on. biggrin.gif
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The RS55 is old news now. It is obsolete. The upcoming RS48 and RS56 are the new "it" projectors to talk about.....that is until next year when they become obsolete due to newer projectors....in which a year after that they will become obsolete due to even better projectors......and so on....and so on. biggrin.gif[/quote]


Yup - like moths to a brighter light...eek.gif
post #3239 of 3551
With 3D glasses: did u guys go with the JVC or does Xpand X 103 work? Significant cost difference is the reason I ask. Thanks.
post #3240 of 3551
Embarrassing revelation time:

I haven't even tried the 3D mode on my RS55 yet!
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