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post #3271 of 3528
10/30/12 at 1:10am
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Originally Posted by cdnscg View Post

If your unhappy with the purple discoloration issue, I'd encourage you to talk with the company who sold it to you, I had an issue with convergence, and JVC replaced my unit with a brand new one. Since then, I'm very pleased with the picture out of the box.
Last night I checked it thourough again and from 2 meter distance and further I cannot see the purple discoloration anymore. So I think I m ok with this. Some other questions:

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Can I find all the released firmware versions somewhere with the changelog per firmware?

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Last night I noticed that Eshift did not work and I had to ENABLE the MPC setting in the service menu. Now it works but I don t see a difference when setting MPC on 0.1.2 or 3 (in the regular preferences menu). Should I be able to notice differences between 0,1, 2 and 3?

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I did a 5-6 hour convergence fine-tuning last night with the zones settings. I thought I read somewhere that one does not want zone convergence adjustments especially not in the center of the screen. Is this correct and if so, why is that?

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Most of you guys seems to use the Standard Color Profile. I found something on another forum about the Color Profiles:

''JVC projectors typically have extremely wide gamuts in their standard mode, Cinema 1 probably even reigns it in a bit for its DCI profile.
Unless there is some other issue from using it (which is possible, as there was with their earlier models) you should be using Cinema 2''

If this is true, we should be using Cinema1 or Cinema2 and not Standard.......

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I m going to adjust the Contrast and Brightness tonight with the AVS 709 calibrations patterns. What kind of equipment do I need to check and adjust if the Color and Tint setting has to be adjusted?
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post #3272 of 3528
10/30/12 at 1:23am
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

Last night I checked it thourough again and from 2 meter distance and further I cannot see the purple discoloration anymore. So I think I m ok with this. Some other questions:
1.
Can I find all the released firmware versions somewhere with the changelog per firmware?
2.
Last night I noticed that Eshift did not work and I had to ENABLE the MPC setting in the service menu. Now it works but I don t see a difference when setting MPC on 0.1.2 or 3 (in the regular preferences menu). Should I be able to notice differences between 0,1, 2 and 3?
3.
I did a 5-6 hour convergence fine-tuning last night with the zones settings. I thought I read somewhere that one does not want zone convergence adjustments especially not in the center of the screen. Is this correct and if so, why is that?
4.
Most of you guys seems to use the Standard Color Profile. I found something on another forum about the Color Profiles:
''JVC projectors typically have extremely wide gamuts in their standard mode, Cinema 1 probably even reigns it in a bit for its DCI profile.
Unless there is some other issue from using it (which is possible, as there was with their earlier models) you should be using Cinema 2''
If this is true, we should be using Cinema1 or Cinema2 and not Standard.......
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I m going to adjust the Contrast and Brightness tonight with the AVS 709 calibrations patterns. What kind of equipment do I need to check and adjust if the Color and Tint setting has to be adjusted?

for the MPC, it is easier to see the difference with a sharpness pattern, like the one in AVS 709 disc. I think most people setting for either 1 or 2. I myself use 2.
I don't do any tuning on convergence, unless it is really off. IMHO, it messed with other things if not done correctly.
Standard mode is quite close to 709, actually a bit undersaturated in most cases... Cinema1 and Cinema2 seems to have a wider gamut, which is what I use since I had a VP and I need a wider gamut to reign it in to get to 709.
For brightness and contrast, you don't need any equipment. Just your eyes is good enough.
For Color/tint, you will need a blue-filter, but if you want real good color, you will need a colorimeter or a spectrometer, which your calibrator will definitely bring in. If you are just tuning it while waiting for your calibrator to come, i suggest you leave color/tint alone. they don't need to be changed. For any adjustment, they will be doing it via the CMS anyway.
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post #3273 of 3528
10/30/12 at 3:26am
Thanks for your reply.
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for the MPC, it is easier to see the difference with a sharpness pattern, like the one in AVS 709 disc. I think most people setting for either 1 or 2. I myself use 2.
And is it correct that the RS55 still applies E-Shift in when MPC in on '0'?
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I don't do any tuning on convergence, unless it is really off. IMHO, it messed with other things if not done correctly
What things will mess tuning convergence up then?
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Standard mode is quite close to 709, actually a bit undersaturated in most cases... Cinema1 and Cinema2 seems to have a wider gamut, which is what I use since I had a VP and I need a wider gamut to reign it in to get to 709.
SO when not using a scaler like the VP Standard is the the one to pick?
btw. How can you use the Lumagen VP with the JVC RS55? It does not seems to support HDMI.....
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For brightness and contrast, you don't need any equipment. Just your eyes is good enough.
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For Color/tint, you will need a blue-filter, but if you want real good color, you will need a colorimeter or a spectrometer, which your calibrator will definitely bring in. If you are just tuning it while waiting for your calibrator to come, i suggest you leave color/tint alone. they don't need to be changed. For any adjustment, they will be doing it via the CMS anyway
So if I understand correct, the color/tint setting is just a overall setting that changes the rough color and tint and since the RS55 has build-in CMS thethe Color/Tint setting could actually be skipped in the settings menu?



And can I find all the released firmware versions somewhere with the changelog per firmware?
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post #3274 of 3528
10/31/12 at 4:55am
Last night I played some more with the MPC settings. The difference with E-Shift OFF and ON is quite noticable. The differences between MPC 0,1,2 and 3 are subtle and can only be seen good on a AVS709 sharpness test pattern or a still picture.

There s a setting called black level. Am I correct that I need to set this on a level where the 2 patterns in the square are equally black? Could you guys check if you have the same issue as my RS55 which is: when I cranck up from 0 to 1 is becomes less black, from 1 to 2 also (so far it does what it is supposed to do), but when going from 2 to 3 it suddely goes BLACKER again (almost the same as setting 1) instead of going less dark. Is this with your guys units too?

And I also played again some more with the Lens Aperture. It seems like when going from -15>-14, -14>-13, -13>-12 etc, the white sometimes (on some Lens Aperture values) looks a little yellow and sometimes more whithe. Is this normal?
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post #3275 of 3528
11/7/12 at 9:08pm
Okay so I have read many pages here, but there is so much to go through I hope nobody minds if I ask a question I might have missed. I own an RS-50. I am wondering, after the entire year has gone by and people have used their RS-55's (and you previously owned an RS50) how happy they are with the upgrade? Specifically the upconversion of Blu-rays and HD-TV to the simulated 4k. Anything else you would like to add would be most helpful. Thank you.
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post #3276 of 3528
11/7/12 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by mntwister View Post

Okay so I have read many pages here, but there is so much to go through I hope nobody minds if I ask a question I might have missed. I own an RS-50. I am wondering, after the entire year has gone by and people have used their RS-55's (and you previously owned an RS50) how happy they are with the upgrade? Specifically the upconversion of Blu-rays and HD-TV to the simulated 4k. Anything else you would like to add would be most helpful. Thank you.

I think you and I got our RS50's at the same time. I've had the RS55 since last year and thought it was a nice upgrade over the RS50. It's brighter and I like the e-shift on my 142" screen. the image becomes more 'solid' and the PQ looks great overall. There are rumors of noticeable improvements in e-shift2 on the new models, so it might be worth waiting a few weeks to hear the news. The RS4810 should be the best bang for the buck as an upgrade from the RS50.
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post #3277 of 3528
11/8/12 at 12:28am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

The RS4810 should be the best bang for the buck as an upgrade from the RS50.

Doesn't the RS4810 have lower contrast than the RS50? If so it would seem a backwards step to me, just to get Eshift.
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post #3278 of 3528
11/8/12 at 2:30am
The RS4810 is rated at 50,000:1, whereas the RS-55 is rated at 80,000:1.
So yes, the RS-55 has higher rated contrast by JVC's official specifications.

I think for most people though, this difference in contrast is not that much, it would be hard to even see it unless you A/B.
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post #3279 of 3528
11/8/12 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post

Doesn't the RS4810 have lower contrast than the RS50? If so it would seem a backwards step to me, just to get Eshift.

The problem I saw with my RS50 is that it was noticeably less bright than the RS40/RS45/RS55 so I ended up running the iris wide open most of the time, negating the benefit of the dual iris. If the RS4810/X55 is as bright as the current models, we could clamp the iris down and possibly have better perceived contrast than the RS50 can provide.
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post #3280 of 3528
11/8/12 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

Thanks for your reply.
And is it correct that the RS55 still applies E-Shift in when MPC in on '0'? --> Yes
What things will mess tuning convergence up then? --> I don't quite know for sure.But it is always a tradeoff.
SO when not using a scaler like the VP Standard is the the one to pick? --> I would think so... the slight undersaturation should not be that visible anyway.
btw. How can you use the Lumagen VP with the JVC RS55? It does not seems to support HDMI..... --> By VP, I mean video processor, not their VP line. I am using the XD, which support dual HDMI output.
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So if I understand correct, the color/tint setting is just a overall setting that changes the rough color and tint and since the RS55 has build-in CMS thethe Color/Tint setting could actually be skipped in the settings menu? --> Yes, I will not touch those.
And can I find all the released firmware versions somewhere with the changelog per firmware?
--> I did not upgrade my FW, so I don't know.
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post #3281 of 3528
11/8/12 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

The problem I saw with my RS50 is that it was noticeably less bright than the RS40/RS45/RS55 so I ended up running the iris wide open most of the time, negating the benefit of the dual iris. If the RS4810/X55 is as bright as the current models, we could clamp the iris down and possibly have better perceived contrast than the RS50 can provide.

I seem to remember reading similar comments that the RS40 real world contrast was similar or even better than the RS50, so it makes some sense what you say. In fact I'm hoping for similar effects regarding my upgrade from HD350 (RS10) to an X35: I currently run with the iris a fair bit open to hit 12-13fL on a long throw setup, so fingers crossed the X35 will manage this with the iris further clamped down along with a higher native contrast too. I'm going from an older 'base' model to a newer 'base' model, if I had a HD750 (RS20) I'm not so sure the upgrade would be so noticeable though (I'm 2D only BTW).

I'm very much looking forward to your review(s) of the new JVCs when they arrive. cool.gif
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post #3282 of 3528
11/11/12 at 12:22am
I may be late to the party, but I'm here now. This is my first projector. I got a great deal on a RS55 refurb and paired it with a SI 120" Solar 4k 1.3 gain screen. They are installed in the light controlled, dedicated home theater in our new home.

First, we watched a couple of Dexter episodes from the DVR. Pretty cool cool.gif Oh, but the detail. In a scene where his sister is yelling at him between two buildings, there's a penciled arrow on the building wall behind Dexter's right shoulder. Also, I noticed a nose piercing hole on the blonde who is Dexter's love interest this season. I hadn't seen those things on our HDTV.

Then, we looked at some football which rivals being there. Actually, it's better because I can kick out that obnoxious guy a few seats away. wink.gif Detail is again astounding as is the color, sharpness, and flow; no jitter or stutter, just smooth flow.

Anxious for a real test, I connected my OPPO BDP-93 HDMI1 to the RS55 HDMI1 and the result is phenomenal. cool.gif Blu-rays are incredible again. It's like I am seeing them again for the first time. If I didn't know better, I would swear that somebody switched out my BDs for new, remastered versions. Details and nuances that I've never seen before are prevalent. That's the third time I used the word, detail, in case you're keeping stats.

The last time I experienced something this profound with my HT was when I upgraded my Klipsch speakers with MartinLogan. The Klipsch were good, the MLs are great. Likewise, the Sammy 58" plasma is good, the RS55 on a 120" screen is outrageous.

This refurb'd unit did not come with the 3-D transmitter or glasses which is not a big deal to me, but I know the fam will like it. I do want to try it out, so I am looking forward to getting some of those Monster glasses Zombie sold me on through his mini shoot-out. I will need to get some 3-d discs, too. After the new wears off, I might even look into one of those Darbee thingy's. biggrin.gif

Paul
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post #3283 of 3528
11/11/12 at 12:27am
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Originally Posted by bigdogaxis View Post

I may be late to the party, but I'm here now. This is my first projector. I got a great deal on a RS55 refurb and paired it with a SI 120" Solar 4k 1.3 gain screen. They are installed in the light controlled, dedicated home theater in our new home.
First, we watched a couple of Dexter episodes from the DVR. Pretty cool cool.gif Oh, but the detail. In a scene where his sister is yelling at him between two buildings, there's a penciled arrow on the building wall behind Dexter's right shoulder. Also, I noticed a nose piercing hole on the blonde who is Dexter's love interest this season. I hadn't seen those things on our HDTV.
Then, we looked at some football which rivals being there. Actually, it's better because I can kick out that obnoxious guy a few seats away. wink.gif Detail is again astounding as is the color, sharpness, and flow; no jitter or stutter, just smooth flow.
Anxious for a real test, I connected my OPPO BDP-93 HDMI1 to the RS55 HDMI1 and the result is phenomenal. cool.gif Blu-rays are incredible again. It's like I am seeing them again for the first time. If I didn't know better, I would swear that somebody switched out my BDs for new, remastered versions. Details and nuances that I've never seen before are prevalent. That's the third time I used the word, detail, in case you're keeping stats.
The last time I experienced something this profound with my HT was when I upgraded my Klipsch speakers with MartinLogan. The Klipsch were good, the MLs are great. Likewise, the Sammy 58" plasma is good, the RS55 on a 120" screen is outrageous.
This refurb'd unit did not come with the 3-D transmitter or glasses which is not a big deal to me, but I know the fam will like it. I do want to try it out, so I am looking forward to getting some of those Monster glasses Zombie sold me on through his mini shoot-out. I will need to get some 3-d discs, too. After the new wears off, I might even look into one of those Darbee thingy's. biggrin.gif
Paul

Congrats! Even new RS55 does not come with 3D glasses and transmitter, (I think only RS65 does), so you are not missing out. Go get the Monster one, as they are cheaper and are RF so it is better. Enjoy! Going from 58 to 120 is going to be a BIG improvement, and if you have a dedicated room, it will be awesome for RS55.
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post #3284 of 3528
11/11/12 at 1:36am
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Congrats! Even new RS55 does not come with 3D glasses and transmitter, (I think only RS65 does), so you are not missing out. Go get the Monster one, as they are cheaper and are RF so it is better. Enjoy! Going from 58 to 120 is going to be a BIG improvement, and if you have a dedicated room, it will be awesome for RS55.

The RS55 is an excellent projector. Enjoy
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post #3285 of 3528
11/17/12 at 5:18pm
Hey guys, I got my b stock X70 with great deal and i love it. It brought huge different from my last pj w1200.
Excellent PQ and contrast ratio.
When i calibrate it last night, something strange happened.
I use colormunki display with colorHCFR v.3.0.4 and AVSHD 709
The result is the deltaE from IRE20~100 are under3, RGB level all close to 100% difference less than 5%. color temperature 6500k
BUT i just cant get the gamma close to 2.2, the best result now is average 2.02. The gamma drops from IRE30 and keep going down to 1.7 at IRE100. This is really strange to me.
My last pj w1200, deltaE is around 4, but gamma is perfect average 2.21 with flat line all the way.
How to set my gamma to 2.2 on my X70?
Below is my numbers
User1
Color space standard
Temperature custom from base line 5500k
Gamma custom1 at 2.5
Lamp power normal
IRE100 output is 12.7ftl, IRE10 is 0.084ftl(0.65% of ire100)
Contrast set to -15, brightness +2 color tine all 0

I really dont know how to get my gamma to 2.2
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post #3286 of 3528
11/21/12 at 3:00pm
3D Intensity function- - - -
any reason why this would be grey'd out? Usable only under certain conditions I assume?
Any help is appreciated

Dave
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post #3287 of 3528
11/25/12 at 6:48pm
Hey guys
Here is my result of calibration with coloeHCFR via X-rite colormunki display
The problem is the Luminance and gamma, but the RGB is quite balance.
below is the screen capture from my laptop




The question to me is how to adjust the gamma to fit with the target 2.2, as you can see my gamma is a big slope from 10 IRE to 90 IRE.
In the Luminance chart showed I got more output from 40 IRE to 90 IRE and a little bit low output below 40 IRE.
In the X70 custom gamma page, I should adjust the total white to meet the luminance target of every IRE level, but how? I should move up or down to reduce the Luminance of every IRE points in the custom gamma function, and what is the reference from colorHCFR, the RGB balance or the cd/m or ftl readings? I don't have a picture of this.
My room is a well light controlled room but the white marble floor, white roof and wall.
I am really happy with my X70, great PQ, huge upgrade to me from benq W1200. Althought I got perfect gamma 2.21 with flat line on W1200, but the contrast ratio is just 805:1, but in X70 gamma like this I already got contrast ratio 10,193:1 (colorHCFR showed). I believe it will be better when I am at gamma 2.2.
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post #3288 of 3528
11/30/12 at 1:01pm
Hello AVS members, I bumped into a 'screen adjustment mode chart' on the JVC site, http://pro.jvc.com/pro/attributes/PRESENT/Manual/RS_45_4800_55_65_Screen_Mode_Chart_01042012.pdf
and would like to know how to set the recommended number. For example, my screen is: 37

Also, to use the memory setting for different screens sizes, do I have to change the Anamorphic setting to A, then adjust the picture, or just leave it set to OFF. I'd like to test the projector with a mock set up for a 2:35 screen to see if the image, (even if it overlaps the ends of my 16:9 screen), is fine before investing in a 2:35 screen. I'm not interested in spending $ on an anamorphic lens.
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post #3289 of 3528
11/30/12 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by cdnscg View Post

Hello AVS members, I bumped into a 'screen adjustment mode chart' on the JVC site, http://pro.jvc.com/pro/attributes/PRESENT/Manual/RS_45_4800_55_65_Screen_Mode_Chart_01042012.pdf
and would like to know how to set the recommended number. For example, my screen is: 37

I just used the up/down cursor on the remote to arrive at that screen number. I think you can manually input it also. You can see the changes when changing numbers on the screen even with the image paused.
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post #3290 of 3528
12/1/12 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

I just used the up/down cursor on the remote to arrive at that screen number. I think you can manually input it also. You can see the changes when changing numbers on the screen even with the image paused.

Thanks Sharp1080. So I just change the 3 zeros on the 'screen adjust' setting to the number that corresponds. Any insight to my other question on the 2:35 zooming?
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post #3291 of 3528
12/1/12 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by dtsguy View Post

3D Intensity function- - - -
any reason why this would be grey'd out? Usable only under certain conditions I assume?
Any help is appreciated
Dave

It is available when converting 2D to 3D.
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post #3292 of 3528
12/1/12 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by cdnscg View Post

Also, to use the memory setting for different screens sizes, do I have to change the Anamorphic setting to A, then adjust the picture, or just leave it set to OFF. I'd like to test the projector with a mock set up for a 2:35 screen to see if the image, (even if it overlaps the ends of my 16:9 screen), is fine before investing in a 2:35 screen. I'm not interested in spending $ on an anamorphic lens.

Just leave it off and zoom a 2.35 BD to the height you are considering (hopefully one with a great transfer to really see the potential) You should be able to get a good feel for the brightness, sharpness and detail you would get. Being an RS55/CIH user myself, I think you will like what you see...
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post #3293 of 3528
12/1/12 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by 5mark View Post

Just leave it off and zoom a 2.35 BD to the height you are considering (hopefully one with a great transfer to really see the potential) You should be able to get a good feel for the brightness, sharpness and detail you would get. Being an RS55/CIH user myself, I think you will like what you see...

Thanks. Do you use an anamorphic lens?
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post #3294 of 3528
12/3/12 at 1:58pm
Another one coming late to the party, but glad I squeaked in before the new models arrive.

So far, the image is GREAT on this unit. I'm coming from the Epson 8700UB, which was not too bad, but no comparison, obviously. I've been reading this long thread and missed what would be a good setting for the iris. Should that be closed down from it's default value?

My room has a 120" (diag) screen and the RS55 is about 17 feet from it. The image looks very nice, but if it can look better with the iris closed a bit, I'm willing to try it. I guess I'd have to re-calibrate the brightness / contrast settings if I change the iris, no?

Thanks.
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post #3295 of 3528
12/3/12 at 6:17pm
My screen is 120" and the projector is about 16-17' away. I have aperture at -12 which darkens the presentation while improving contrast in my light controlled room. Iris/Lens Aperture is one thing you can change back and forth to see what you like. If you do change it for good, then you have to recalibrate because you effectively changed contrast.
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post #3296 of 3528
12/13/12 at 1:08pm
I'm having an issue where when the unit is in standby the Ethernet port shuts off. So to use ip controllers I have to press and button on the ir remote to make the Ethernet port start up
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post #3297 of 3528
12/13/12 at 2:13pm
Well, I'm finally getting around to ordering and employing the needed HDMI Balan so I can run 3D through my remaining Cat5 to my projector. And after a year of owning the RS55 I'll finally see some 3D out of the thing!
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post #3298 of 3528
12/13/12 at 9:16pm
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Well, I'm finally getting around to ordering and employing the needed HDMI Balan so I can run 3D through my remaining Cat5 to my projector. And after a year of owning the RS55 I'll finally see some 3D out of the thing!

Wow Rich! eek.gif

I would have bet on the 21st of this month happening over this step! tongue.gif

Make sure the very first one is that Avatar I sent you... its a real winner!! smile.gif
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post #3299 of 3528
12/13/12 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by samstarb View Post

I'm having an issue where when the unit is in standby the Ethernet port shuts off. So to use ip controllers I have to press and button on the ir remote to make the Ethernet port start up

You have to wake it up with the open port cmd first then send your IP cmd within 4 seconds or it closes down automatically.

In order to maintain the network connection, the external controller must then respond to the projector within 5 seconds with “PJREQ”.
Edited by krichter1 - 12/13/12 at 9:23pm
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post #3300 of 3528
12/14/12 at 1:26am
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Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post

You have to wake it up with the open port cmd first then send your IP cmd within 4 seconds or it closes down automatically.
In order to maintain the network connection, the external controller must then respond to the projector within 5 seconds with “PJREQ”.

What is the open port command?
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